Cobham Interviews

[layingback]

Has anyone had a phone interview with Cobham. If so can you pass on any info as to what to expect.
Thanks.

[ALLAH]

Are they doing direct entry commands?

[Capt Claret]

Are they doing direct entry commands?

Asked and answered on Oct 31, here (http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/467515-cobham-b717-job-ad.html).

[startingout]

air law knowledge, personality and a general chat

[Hookers]

Are they doing direct entry commands?

The word is 4+ years to a command on a 6 year contract :ok:

[RENURPP]

At the end of this six year contract I will have worked for them for 24 years as will Claret, Bloggs and some others on here longer. :) back when I started the usual, the contract won't be renewed comments were around.

The "word is" who's word is it? :rolleyes:
I would be very surprised if they allocate you a commend date when offering you a job! :p

[Hookers]

he asked a question I answered.

[BAE146]

NJS (Cobham) will never promise or give a time line on Commands.
NEVER have and NEVER will !:{

[Capt Claret]

Just out of curiosity, which airlines or operators do give a promise or time line on time to command?

[ALLAH]

Sorry Claret,

I didnt realize you were the authority on happenings at Cobhams.

Captain positions were alluded to in an advertisement I saw, thats all.

Apologies if I have offended you, people my age sometimes repeat themselves.

[BAE146]

Captain positions were alluded to in an advertisement I saw.....

al·lude
verb (used without object), -lud·ed, -lud·ing.

1.to **refer casually or indirectly; make an allusion(usually followed by to): He often alluded to his poverty.

2.to contain a casual or indirect reference (usually followed by to): The letter alludes to something now forgotten.

**Probably were, and if you stay long enough in any outfit, chances are you will eventually get a Command.
However, Direct Entry Command with Cobham - see all of the above! ;)

[hongkongfooey]

Just out of curiosity, which airlines or operators do give a promise or time line on time to command?

Dragonandonair told me 3-4 years, now its 10+, I think you are better off if they say nothing. No company will give you anything other than a " rough idea " of time to command and even then most know better than to say anything.
24 years RENURPP ? You would have got less for mass murder ;)

[RENURPP]

That's if I make it unil the end.

I've felt like committing murder on occasions.

[ALLAH]

Does Cobham operate to a numbered seniority system as in QF?

[notop]

So Renurpp 24 years you have a command yet :rolleyes:K

[2020Balance]

3 ground schools already this year with one finishing last week on the 146.

Maybe one more to come in the new year.

Well done to GQ and RM.

Both absolute top blokes.

Both deserve a good holiday

[ALLAH]

Has anybody had an interview yet?

[Hookers]

Yes PM me if you want details.

[nothing but net]

Is anyone able to shed any light on the Cobham 717 interview process? Questions? Simulator profile?

Are the free online SHL practice tests adequte preparation for the psychometric testing?

[wrongwayaround]

Are cobham 717 still hiring?

Thanks

[PPRuNeUser0161]

What's the story with the latest round of Dash 8 recruiting. Anyone know how long they bond you for?

SN

[startingout]

I am getting confused about the value but it's somewhere around 26k and 3 years

[717tech]

It's 3 years on the Dash.

[PPRuNeUser0161]

You know guys, where's this gonna end. There is no way known I'm going past two years for a bond. They own you if you let them. Most people can do two even if they don't like the job or the employer has done a line on them but three is to much.

SN

[Capt Claret]

SN, any chance you could loan me $30k, unsecured for three years? :8

FWIW, I and colleagues seem to have survived 3 yrs DH8 bond, and 2 yrs (sort of) 717 bond, without too many scars!

[PPRuNeUser0161]

CC
You wouldn't like my terms!

SN

[AerocatS2A]

SN, it's pretty simple really. The company aren't prepared to spend the time and money on training someone unless they get a return of 3 years from them. If you don't intend sticking around for more than 2 years the job isn't right for you and it's a good thing you discover that now rather than later.

I "suffered" a 3 year bond with them then another 18 month bond when I got my command and then another 12 month bond when I transferred to the BAe146. At no time was I bothered by it because at no time was the bond period any longer than I intended to stay with the company. It has all cost me nothing. On the other hand if your intention is to use the company as a short term step toward an airline job, you'd be better served flying for one of the many other turbo-prop operators who don't have the extensive addition training requirements as set out by Customs.

[PPRuNeUser0161]

Aerocat
No problem with your comments in theory. However there are plenty of operators out there spinning guys yarns of quick commands etc with a long bond. Then when the command does not eventuate the pilot is stuck. Personally I am not the type to move for the hell of it, been with my current employer well over 10 years now, but if there was not a left seat in it after two years then its definitely not for me.

SN

[AerocatS2A]

Well sure. Take a promise of a quick command with a grain of salt. In Surveillance Australia (Cobham) commands come pretty quick for most unless you lack the required experience, perform poorly in checks, or are based in Cairns. There have been some FOs there who would never have got a command and others who only had to wait 12 months. Thing is, neither you nor they really know which category you'll fit into until you've been through the system.

[SHVC]

Does anyone have any info on the 717 interview process? Also what is the company like to work for?

[PPRuNeUser0161]

What's the chance of getting on the 146 out of AD?

SN

[717tech]

I believe there is very little chance. Best bet would be a Perth base.

[BAE146]

...............if there was not a left seat in it after two years then its definitely not for me.


If that's the case SN,you may find it's definitely not for you.:ok:

[AerocatS2A]

What's the chance of getting on the 146 out of AD?
There've been several new FOs hired to Adelaide in the last 18 months. I suspect the movement might be all but over now though.

[zappalin]

So recently I noted they have changed the minimum TT to 1,000hrs for FO Dash 8, which sounds about right - from 500TT (and being termed a "low-houred pilot" or some such thing).
Were guys with 500hrs even getting in?? The requirements seemed quite low, the 1,000TT with all the rest sounds more appropriate. Would have been a one-in-a-million dream job for someone with 500TT!

[2020Balance]

1 more new FO for ADL in the next few months. Heard next ground school soon with 5 internal dash8 dudes already signed up. So that leaves 1 lucky sob from outside company to jump on the gs and probably get ADL as dash8 dudes already from PER and will obviously stay in perth as Regional gets rid of its 2 dash8's. Good luck to that person

[glatj001]

G'day gents. I see Cobham are advertising for Adelaide/Perth F/O and DEC's on 146's. I'm an Adelaide expat wishing to come home. Can anyone who works as a Cobham 146 driver in Adelaide pm me please? I would really like to know what it's like to work there. Also basic things like rosters/lifestyle/pay/expected time to command etc.
Thanks all in advance.
Glat.

[Bograt]

Applied for a 146 DEC:

We have carefully reviewed your application and have determined that at this time you have been unsuccessful.

...more words...

The decision was based on the combination of relevant experience, company requirements and the very strong pool of candidates that applied for this sought after role.

16000+ total, 7500+ command (all turbine). Worldwide airline experience, Boeing & Airbus command.

Must have been a very strong pool of candidates...

[aussie027]

Yeah Bograt that is for sure!!!

Makes you wonder what they are looking for.
I got the same email today re an FO position.

No chance at all it seems. :{:{

[volare_737]

Anybody done the Psychometric Testing for the 146 operation lately ? Any info would be great !!! Thanks

[AerocatS2A]

Do they do psych testing?

[RENURPP]

16000+ total, 7500+ command (all turbine). Worldwide airline experience, Boeing & Airbus command.

Must have been a very strong pool of candidates...

Do you have jet command time?

I understand there are plenty of applicants that do.
there are 767 and 737/747 guys plenty of command time that have missed out and they're just some of the ones I am aware of.

There is a lot of competition out there.

[volare_737]

Why would all those highly experienced pilots want to go and fly 717 / 146 type aircraft ???
There are many well paying jobs in the market now on modern jet aircraft.

[Buttscratcher]

Not home here in Oz there isn't

Try to get a job in virgin, jet* with high time on heavys. No way big boy

Plus, you get older and realise that the big shiny jets go too far for too long, your priorities change. It's not about the bike, mate

[airdualbleedfault]

Heard a rumour Mr "flap up instead of gear" was returning, thats a pi55 take, right?

[volare_737]

Yes Butts - you got a point !!! I am at that intersection now !!!!!

[AerocatS2A]

I enjoy having every weekend off!

[noclue]

Whats a weekend?

[Compylot]

Just a quick question, what sort of uniform do the Cobham guys and girls wear flying the 146?

Is it a Cobham specific uniform or does everyone at Cobham wear Qantas (link) attire?

The reason I ask, is that I met a Cobham guy at a bbq a little while ago and he was wearing what I thought looked like a Qantas uniform (he said he was flying the 717 but was about to transfer onto the 146?) :confused:

[Wally Mk2]

'renurpp' 'Turbine' time can also be grouped in with jets. That guy would obviously have Jet Cmd per-say.
I think the translation of jets & turbines being the same thing has been lost over the years. There's no diff other than how the turbine shafts output capability is being absorbed.

Life style becomes more & more important the older ya get. The monies no good to ya if yr burnt out & have missed the best years.



Wmk2

[training wheels]

'renurpp' 'Turbine' time can also be grouped in with jets. That guy would obviously have Jet Cmd per-say.
I think the translation of jets & turbines being the same thing has been lost over the years. There's no diff other than how the turbine shafts output capability is being absorbed.

Try telling that to the Emirates recruitment team .. :ugh:

[clear to land]

The Emirates requirement is simply because EK don't do base training except for UAE Cadets, and you can't do a ZFT Type Rating unless you have a previous jet Type Rating. Finally, there is no shortage of guys from all over the world (except Australia) who have the required jet time and are applying.

[Buttscratcher]

.....and no shortage of same wanting to return home some years later to fly 71s or similar, such as to actually maintain a family and sleep in their own beds at night

[RENURPP]

Wally I'm not about to get into the turbo prop v jet time argument, however there is more to a jet than what the throttles control.

If you were employing pilots and you were after direct entry commands would you start by looking at metro, conquest pilots or some one who had flown similar weight/speed passenger number, complexity type aircraft?

There are plenty of jet command guys applying, common sense says look at them for DEC first surely?