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19801
25th Oct 2011, 20:15
First: they have removed the leave.
Now: new way of counting your flight hours.
Has anyone noticed that for USA flights in november roster the block time is only 50% in both ways (as operating crew and release one)? I think is like that for all flights with release crew (USA, Melbourne, Sao Paulo,..)
With this new version of the rules you will never be limited for the last 28 days or year. You can work without stopping.
My long haul flights are still 50% for B crew, and 100% for A crew. If they are doing training on your flight you will be B crew both ways.
That may be the case with you.
BDD
Capt Krunch
26th Oct 2011, 04:45
19801
Hope thats not your staff number
Has anyone noticed that for USA flights in november roster the block time is only 50% in both ways
as BDD mentioned, most November rosters show 50% for 'B' crew (relief crew) one direction and 100% for 'A' crew (operating crew) in the opposite direction.
this myth seems to be busted :E
19801
26th Oct 2011, 06:05
It looks that the new rule is only for FO.
Capts still have the same rule as before.
FO, of course, get less tired as everyone knows.
Count von Altibar
26th Oct 2011, 10:45
This is thing about the middle east that puts me off big time. They seem to just change your agreements and T&Cs without any form of consultation with the people it will affect.
Capt Krunch
26th Oct 2011, 15:46
as long as it is approved and recognized by the local governing CAA (in this case meaning the QCAA) a foreign authority will not get involved. The most they would do in an extreme case is query the QCAA.
don't take my word for it, just ask a foreign CAA and in most cases you will get very much the same response.
alahaigaigai
27th Oct 2011, 10:39
I believe 19801 is rostered as crew B both ways as the flight must be a training one.
Non Zero
27th Oct 2011, 16:04
An other way to look at it ... more money in your wallet!
alahaigaigai
27th Oct 2011, 16:52
My apologies, I am wrong indeed.
cleared to land
29th Oct 2011, 21:38
Does any one have any examples if they do that anywhere else in the world. I know in UK you log 100%. How about the rest?:confused:
helen-damnation
30th Oct 2011, 06:31
Not sure but I think this is not about logging the hours. It's about the hours counting towards 28 day and 12 month FTL limitations.
Have a look in the CAR-OPS and see what is says?
Plank Cap
30th Oct 2011, 16:29
Ladies and Gents of QR,
You may be unsurprised to learn that a certain other carrier about 200nm east of you has been doing this for years now. In this outfit, all augmenting crew on ULR ops (what QR call the B crew I believe) do NOT have bunk time credited by the company, specifically for the purposes of the 28 day and annual FTL limits.
Therefore, your annual limit is no longer 900 hours and your 28 day limit is no longer 100 hours. Indeed in 2010 I personally peaked at 926 hours for the year, and many other guys here approached 1000 real hours prior to factorisation. All allegedly perfectly legal, as the GCAA has accepted the company's FTL scheme.
Oh and if you think your home based CAA, or any other CAA are going to have an issue with this, sorry to disappoint but they care not. This has been learned by first hand experience. Their attitude is that you are operating (in your case) an A7 registered aircraft on a Qatari AOC, subject to Qatari QCAA regulations.
Believe me I wish it were otherwise, and with routinely 95 hours a month here before factorisation, fatigue is a real and present danger. The company doesn't care, and neither does the authority. Good luck to you all, and keep filing those fatigue ASRs as and when it becomes a problem. At least then there is some sort of paper trail leading to the smoking hole in the ground.........