Qatar Salary

[Deconneur]

Can a Qatar pilot inform me about salary
Understand USD8100 first year. Does it go up after few years or not?
Trying to get the numbers before joining.

Thanks.

[imnotwhoyouthinkiam]

You need to be more specific, F/O, Capt? Which fleet etc.

[wembadios]

FO salary first as far as i'm concerned. Is it true that the same salary applies to any fleet 330, 320, 777,...

[newty74]

first pilot salaries goes by rank SO, FO, Captain. And then depending on the hours you fly the pay changes. e.g. 777 pilots will end up making more because they're being paid to sleep. and will fly more than 75hrs a month easily. Exchange rate is 3.65QAR=1USD

SO is fixed salary ~2700USD monthly tax free + free apartment. ~32,400/yr.

FO basic salary is ~ 6500 USD+ free apartment.
FO's get flight pay @ 90QAR/hr.
Assume 75 hr/month (75*12=900) is approx 1850USD/month.
FO monthly salary is approx 8350USD/month. Annual 100,200 USD.

CA basic salary is 9100 USD+free house.
CA's get flight pay @ 120QAR/hr.
Assume 75hrs = $2500USD/month.
CA monthly salary is approx 11,600. Annual 139,200 USD.

There are some intangibles such as free education for 3 children, medical insurance etc. But raw $$ that's roughly it. Bear in mind flight pay is only paid for flying months...so the salaries are going to be lower generally. E.g. If you take 2 months holidays a year then you will lose flight pay for 2 months.

[John21UK]

For an F/O, I assume that 6500USD is incl all allowances and year 1? Is there no duty pay besides the flight pay? Would it make a difference if you were married? And if there a kids? It´s just to confirm.

[flyforfood1]

FO basic is 21500QAR, flight pay 90QAR per hour - NO DUTY PAY.

Allowances are 1500QAR for transport and utilities (accommodation dependant is approx 400QAR - if you end up at HV you won't get any utilities allowance). Regardless of whether your married, have 1 kid or 15 - can't answer the school allowance as I don't have 'em! ;)

So as you can see its massively un-fair due to the amount of duty hours/flying hours the 320 guys do in comparison to the 777. For example, a 320 does Dubai and then sits on the ground for 5 hours during the turnaround (which happens on a hell of a lot of intra gulf sectors on 320) and therefore you make 180QAR for an 8 hour day whereas the 777 guys will get all 720QAR even if they are asleep onboard, multiply that by 10 flights - BIG difference! :ugh:

[Deconneur]

Do you get paid during training? Is it full pay or else?

[jibba_jabba]

From what I have been told you get paid from Day 1 of your training course.

[eiffel]

Qatar F/O $8,100 + $410 (transport allowance)

A320 First Officer (AZL) - 1401287965 - Flightglobal Jobs (http://www.flightglobal.com/jobs/job/a320-first-officer-azl-qatar-1401287965.htm)

[clearedfortaxi]

Could anyone shed some light on deductions made to f/o salary , for non typed joiners. I understand that after 3 years you should get 50,000 usd. But over how many months is that deducted? 36 or less? And after all the deductions what could you expect in your bank account for say an avg months flying ($8100) for arguments sake.:confused:

[eiffel]

2 year-bond according to the link above (AZL)

[gdukkoq]

Newty has the numbers right, coz 8100 is assuming 70hrs. The bond was 3 years when I was in Doha 5 weeks ago, but you only pay half of it (25k) during 18 month. (it is a little confusing) you pay 1388usd per month the first 18 months. Then no more salary deduction. And you get all your money back after 36 months. :ugh: I think that is how it works

[John21UK]

So no seperate housing allowance and other allowances besides the 410 transport allowance?

What about a income protection scheme? Is there any and how much is deducted?

[B737NG]

It doesn´t sound that good overall, too low. You could generate more somewhere else. The Jetlag would be less and the hassle to go home frequently if you cannot break up all your social contacts. You would also have access to all websites you like and more freedom in your moves.

[safelife]

B737NG could you kindly quote a FO job which pays considerably better than this?
I'm not aware of any and I thought I knew the market.

[gdukkoq]

What are the conditions for Qatar executive pilots?

[The Dominican]

could you kindly quote a FO job which pays considerably better than this?
I'm not aware of any and I thought I knew the market.
Apparently not:confused:

[fmp320]

Maybe EK? At least they have a pension scheme...

[safelife]

EK's package might be better overall, but QR's salary is higher at least if you're rated or once out of the bonding.
Still standing by for any suggestions.

[Luke SkyToddler]

Here's two options for you Safelife, that pay better than QR :

Option 1 : It's possible to make well over $US10,000 per month tax free as F/O with Vietnam Airlines on the 330 or 777, if you go onto the 6+1 or 10+2 roster pattern. No flight pay component, so it's the same every month whether you do 0 hours or 90 hours.

More leave than QR and it's guaranteed, you don't have to bid for it. Free business class ticket home on every leave period.

No accommodation provided but you can rent a very nice apartment (a lot better than AKG or HV!) for about $800. Cost of living is nothing compared to Doha. Eat as much pork and drink as much alcohol as you want.

No management hassle, no "its not allowed captain", no reports made against others, no short-haul night turn arounds. You can actually walk into the rostering office and request a flight or some days off, and they smile and do their best to help you.

Command upgrade after a couple of years (upgrade only on A320 at this time), with no company politics or crazy command questions. A320 captain gets from $US12 to $14,000 depending on the roster pattern they choose.

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Option 2 : go straight from QR RHS to Air Asia LHS if you already have some jet hours, plenty of QR pilots already did that. Once again you will earn well over $10,000 with no hassle and much higher quality of life.

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There is no contest. QR needs to seriously seriously raise their game with regard to money and to lifestyle, or they will continue to be a joke airline where people get the rating and leave.

Massalama habibis :E

[safelife]

Thanks for pointing these out to me, Luke.
I wasn't aware VN pays that well.

[John21UK]

Gulf Air pay is about 2500QAR a month higher on the Embraer and about 5000+QAR on the 320 family. Obviously depending on personal circumstances. Plus a better lifestyle on E-Jet but flying wise not on A320 fam. Can't compare social/family wise, GF is in another league.

[cbern]

Hi John21UK, do You have any other info about GulfAir as: pay scale for Captains A320, rosters, flt hrs??and about children education, life in Bahrain, life for family, cost of living there compared to EU, housing?thanks!

[Ethiopia]

May I ask how long it will take for a Fast Track SO to be transferred to the FO rank?. Read somewhere that it will happen upon completion of the line training and line check. Is this correct?

Thank you.

[gredenko]

@Luke You're comparing apples to oranges. You have to be typed to get on with Vietnam. Qatar is still one of the best options for non-typed guys. Where else can non-typed guys make those wages?

[Luke SkyToddler]

The guy who was asking for the info, never said anything about typed or non-typed did he :hmm: I presumed he was a QR pilot looking to get out.

But yes, at the risk of stating the obvious, the top dollar asian contracts require experience on type. If you're non type rated then you probably need to read again that last sentence in my previous post :

QR needs to seriously seriously raise their game with regard to money and to lifestyle, or they will continue to be a joke airline where people get the rating and leave.

There's a good little advice in there for you :ok:

[tdk90]

Is this a fair representation of A320 FO pay at QR?

Gross income about $10900 per month including housing allowance and flight pay, take off $3-3.5k USD for housing, take off $1390 for bond, that leaves about $6100 USD gross. After 18 months that would go up to $7490 a month after housing, then you'd get your 25k USD bond money at the end of the 3 years. Is my math about right?

How does exchange rate protection work?

Thanks

[av8tordude]

Gross income about $10900 per month including housing allowance and flight pay, take off $3-3.5k USD for housing, take off $1390 for bond, that leaves about $6100 USD gross. After 18 months that would go up to $7490 a month after housing, then you'd get your 25k USD bond money at the end of the 3 years. Is my math about right?

I think you have over-bloated figures. Here's what I have for 1st year F/O per month...

Exchange Rate: 3.65

Base Pay: 21,500 Qr ($5,890.41)
Flight Pay: 90 Qr ($24.66) * 75hrs/Mo = 6,750 ($1,849.32)
Per Diem (avg): 1,200 Qr ($328.77)
Housing: 10,000 Qr ($2,739.73)
Utilities: 300 Qr ($82.19)
Transport: 1,500 Qr ($410.96)

Subtotal: 41,250 Qr ($11,301.37)
Bond: -5,066.2 Qr ($1,388.00)
Total Pay/Mo: 36,184 Qr ($9,913.37)

[nolongerfun]

Very accurate description av8tordude, thanks.
Does any of those figure increase with seniority ?
How do you receive your per diems (cash, included in your salary, etc.)?

[av8tordude]

Only base pay increases. Per Diem is paid in local currency base on overnight layover location.

[pilotcpb]

How much does base pay increase?

[salsaboy]

Qatar Airways jobs, payscales and entry requirements. (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Qatar_Airways)

[tdk90]

Can anyone post the education allowance? Thanks

[Flytdeck]

tkd90:

According to my contract:

3.2 You will be reimbursed 100% of the actual basic tuition fees up to a maximum of QAR 105,000 per annum for eligible children in accordance with the Company's Policies.

This is verbatim.

[menikos]

FYI it's 35.000 per child so for 3 child it is 105.000 but if the invoice for one child is more than 35.000 per year you will not be reimbursed over 35.000 just keep this in mind.

Example :

Child 1 = 45.000 (max 35.000)

Child 2 = 20.000

Total = 65.000

You will be reimbursed only 55.000

[PT6Driver]

Is the education allowance payable only for schools in Q or can it be used for fees say in UK.

[jibba_jabba]

Is the education allowance payable only for schools in Q or can it be used for fees say in UK.

I believe it can be anywhere but only up to the $ Limit set by QR.

[busav8r]

Sorry if this was explained before, but what is the max education allowance for just one child? And until what age?
Many thanks.

[Flytdeck]

Menikos posted: FYI it's 35.000 per child so for 3 child it is 105.000 but if the invoice for one child is more than 35.000 per year you will not be reimbursed over 35.000 just keep this in mind.

There must be something in the fine print about maximum per child. It sounds as though Menikos has hands on experience with the process!

[salsaboy]

I understand the allowance to be the following:

1 child - up to 50,000 QR
2 children - up to 75,000 QR
3 children - up to 105,000 QR (max)

I'm sure I have seen it written somewhere, but I may be wrong.

[menikos]

Hello,

you might be right, the figures I gave are coming from a friend in Doha, worth to double check.

:ok:

[busav8r]

Many thanks! And does anyone know until what age these allowances are available? I heard until 21... is this information correct?

[Geebz]

Hmmmmm.... Doha or Hanoi/ Saigon?

I think the choice is obvious, gents.

Like one guy said, QR really needs to up their game if they intend to keep/ retain pilots. I know plenty who have quit and a few more who are actively looking elsewhere right now. What's that tell you?

SJS (Shiney Jet Syndrome) only lasts 90 days max. In end it all build down to QOL (Quality of lifestyle).

[flyforfood1]

Busav8r

Your staff travel is slightly wrong. You and your family i.e wife and kids get unlimited ID90 + 50 plus an annual free ticket per year, but your parents, brothers or sisters get 1 ID90 or 1 ID50 if you are married per year, your wife's family get nothing.

[F14]

Seems like a good deal, however the pension/provident fund would be a good idea if they want to keep crew.

As to people leaving, where are the Captains going? have they made enough and bailing out to a semi-retirement job. Or are there better places for type-rated Captains as DEC?

[Fly4Fun]

I read somewhere or I heard from someone (not quite sure) that QR pay an utility allowance of qr300 and a telephone/communications allowance of qr400.

[av8tordude]

Hmmmmm.... Doha or Hanoi/ Saigon?

I think the choice is obvious, gents.

Like one guy said, QR really needs to up their game if they intend to keep/ retain pilots. I know plenty who have quit and a few more who are actively looking elsewhere right now. What's that tell you?

SJS (Shiney Jet Syndrome) only lasts 90 days max. In end it all build down to QOL (Quality of lifestyle).

Doesn't say much. :hmm: Besides, instead of making comments like this, why not offer a comparison with the airline you're working for (since you are flying at a far superior airline:rolleyes:). If you can't, your statements mean nothing!

[White none please]

Hi, I've been searching on the various Qatar fourms, and I im still not sure if the DEC package includes a housing allowance, or a house/villa provided by the company, ? and if its an allowance as the post above describes, is 12,000 enough for a decent place,? would appreciate any info, thanks.

[TwoTone-7]

DEC = Villa
Or you can opt for housing allowance.
QR 12000 is ample enough for a decent villa or a large sized apartment.


HTH

[Black Pudding]

Hmmmmm.... Doha or Hanoi/ Saigon?

I think the choice is obvious, gents

Geebz

Tell us all what is better about working in Hanoi / Saigon. flying what and for who and getting paid how much ? Plus, whats it like to live there.

[777AV8R]

Working conditions......they are so short of crews that leaves were cancelled, as of November 2011. Unless it changed in the last few weeks.

[Fly4Fun]

Again, I remember reading somewhere that your wife parents are entitled to either an ID90 or a couple of ID50. Anyone with inside info?

[TwoTone-7]

Only your parents. Not your spouse's.

[loc22550]

Busar8r
Never heard about the loss of live insurance here ,neither this amount: 82000 usd.....?

[av8tordude]

Working conditions......they are so short of crews that leaves were cancelled, as of November 2011. Unless it changed in the last few weeks.

Does QR buy back your canceled vacation. If so, sounds to me you guys have nothing really to complain about. If they don't, I can understand the disappointment, BUT that alone does not constitute that QR compensation package is inferior to any other airline out there. QR is rapidly growing airline and unfortunately the current crews there are the ones who pay the price for this rapid expansion.

That being said, if those who bash QR compensation package can present there own compensation package the airline that employs you for comparative analysis, in a bullet points presentation as busav8r has done, than a serious debate can be offered. Until then...Put Up or Shut Up!:eek:

[busav8r]

I got this info (82,000 usd) from the last QR roadshow I attended...
Maybe someone else can confirm if this info is correct.

[swallowenforcer]

Also business class is only for your family members 12 years and older. They forgot to tell me that in my interview!

Only 1 week leave in the last 6 months......... Loving it!!!

[velez2]

Would anyone be so kind and describe briefly average monthly roster for A320 FO?

Thanks

[busav8r]

"SCHOOL FEES until the age of 21 (19 ?)
- up to 50,000 / year / 1 child
- 75,000 / year / 2 child (up to 37,500 per child max)
- 105,000 / year / 3 child (up to 35,000 per child max)"

Can anyone explain the exact meaning of "school fee" in this context? For instance, if I am working to QR but my child is studying in an university somewhere in Europe, does the "school fee" still apply? And until what extent? The housing, books, food, etc, are also included? Can anyone share his/her own experience? Also, can anyone confirm the age limit for the school fee? Is it 19 or 21?

Thanks

[White none please]

Two tone, :ok:thanks for that.

[Sephore]

What about the registration fee ?

[Spit15]

My rolling monthly avg for the last 3 months has been 90+ flight duty hours. That does not include time spent sitting on the ground at the intra-gulf destinations... flight time 2 hrs with a duty time of 8 hours... and only get paid for the actual FLIGHT duty hours!! Often doing 6 or 7 duty days in a row, with only 1 or 2 days off between; most of which you spend sleeping trying to catch up on lost sleep.

Lots of night flying, reporting 2200 + (local time), returning to Doha the following night.. arriving in the morning... minimum rest during the day and operating again at night... after a series of such duties sleep deprivation and fatigue is a real issue, but ... there is a lot of sand in the desert...where you will find a lot of ostrich heads buried !!!

The total flight hours per roster is not the only issue though, it is the poor quality of life resulting from fatiguing rosters and no leave to enable you to switch off, unwind and recharge.

Add to that the fact that some of us have not been able to take our entitled leave for winter (usual response to any request here is either "Captain... not allowed.." or "Captain... not available..") , and there are rumours now of the next summer period leave being cancelled, due to crew shortage... True the company is supposedly going to compulsorily buy back the unused leave...(I have yet to be convinced of that),.. an option would have been nice, besides... money doesn't buy quality of life or lifestyle.... contrary to local belief that money can buy everything!!!

Lots of unhappy people here...who are looking for better options...of which there are many if you are rated and prepared to go east.

[speedhold]

@ spit15
Hi would you be able to inbox a sample schedule just want to see what kind of schedule one would get please thanks

[JJ330]

if you fly 90+hrs every months, you will finish in 10 months.
then following two months off??:ok:

[gdukkoq]

Very good point

[Paper Lad]

If you factor in 42 days of leave (if it's allocated!) then add in all the bits that don't count toward flying duties, for example LPC/OPC, CRM, security refreshers etc., that will take you to over 11 months of work in a given year.

90+ block hours per month is becoming the norm on the 320 fleet in QR. When a pilot almost reaches the maximum hours, for any given period (28 days, annual or whatever), a standby duty will be rostered so there is no opportunity to relax even if you approach max hours.

Defo NOT two months off!

PL

[Grum]

Like others here, would it be possible for someone to post a roster on the 320 or send a PM. A couple of the posts above make it sound pretty harsh. I was hoping to see more of my family not less. :8

[busav8r]

I tried to collect some info from another threads and It looks like the roster for the 320F is something like:

- Flight time 60-70 hours/month, Duty time: 120-140 hours/month (but you are paid for the flight time).
- 7-9 days off month (some of them might be outside station).
- 2-4 STBY/month
- Several layovers per month (depending on how you bid. It can be more... it can be less).
- sometimes 1-2 dead-heading (unpaid duty)
- Last minute change is not unusual (as they deserve some destinations with both A320, A330 and sometime B777)
- Bidding system available.

Updates to this info will be highly appreciated.

[swallowenforcer]

Grum you are dreaming if you think you are going to be spending time with your family working on the 320. You will be working or sleeping. Everyone I know on that fleet hates it and wants out, and so many are leaving.
I'm on the 777 and never see the family enough, 8 days off a month, and the 320 a lot worse.
It's bad here, as long as you know it before you join it makes it easier. The only reason you come here is for the money, or if your English for the sun!

[Spit15]

Sun..???... Ahhh if only !!!!

It's either obscured by dust, or you're trying to catch up on sleep after the gruelling string of night duties that all you get to see is a sad semblance of a sunset at dusk!!! I did see a bright light over chasing us over Africa one morning bound for Nairobi... is that the sun-thingy..???

[Spit15]

Sorry Speedhold....

I would.. under any other circumstances... But unfortunately with this bunch, people get fired for divulging truths. And it is not beyond the realms of the company's paranoia to dupe people on here to try and ascertain individuals identities. So am afraid... I will remain anonymous.com. That means I cannot post my roster. Sorry. Take it from me though, all the -ves you read are close to the mark... the only +ve I can see is the chance for non rated guys (so I hear) to get a rating, and bag a few buckets of cash if you live wisely whilst here.

My roster for this month is 92 flight duty hours, and 140 + duty hours. with 7 days off. Half of the duties start after 8pm and go through to the morning, with close to min rest during the day before reporting for anther night. They say they only roster 3 nights in a row... but they get around that by scheduling a chocks on at 2359... add half an hour for post duty, and another half an hour for holding, waiting for crew transport and the drive back to the check-in/out building, and it's 0100 before you have even left the airport, then 30 mins to get home... and hour to unwind .. and finally get to bed by 0230 if you are lucky. So they split two strings of nights by one of these duties and you are Legal... and according to them... sufficiently rested...


On the plus side... if you are looking for a fast track divorce.. this is the place to accelerate the process!!!

[speedhold]

@spit15 Or any that can answer this
Thanks for the info ... Do you how many days off u get on the other fleets Qatar has.?. ie 777 , 330.

[Luke SkyToddler]

It's policy to give no rostered days off above the minimum legal required - i.e. 8 or 9 per month, depending on number of days in the month.

Any more than that is stby duty.

Having said that, it's about a 50/50 chance on the 777 / A330 of actually getting through your stby without being called out, whereas you're virtually guaranteed to get called on the A320 fleet :{

[Homo Ludens]

Luke, my son, NOT true!
On the 777 I've got 5, 6 or 7 days off in a row for the last 12 months EVERY month.
So, 12+ days off per month. It depends how you bid, but it is possible.
I'm really sorry for our colegues on the 320 and I feel their pain having worked for a regional operator in Europe before.
Just my POV>
Cheers!
H.L.

[Black Pudding]

Homo Ludens

I am on the 320 fleet. Please don't feel sorry for me. If and when I want to leave, I have a far more better chance of getting another job than I would had I been on the 777.


Chances of a command upgrade for me is far better on the 320 fleet than it is on the 777, so sometimes being on the 320 fleet is maybe a good thing, depends on what you want in life.


Spit15


How people feel about being here in and being on the 320 fleet depends on where you have come from. If you have moved up in size of aircraft, maybe you are making your career strategy better. Maybe job security is better here than from where you have come. Maybe the money income here is far better than in the home country you have come from. Many airlines around the globe are now going bust. Spanair last week, Malev this week. Although what you have said is correct, nobody is stopping anyone from leaving and as as long as the job is getting done and is legal, no one cares. All anyone has to do here is hand in their notice and in just over 90 days time, you're out of here. Depends on each ones circumstances and what you want in life. If you could go and work for any airline in the world, who would it be with. And this answer will differ from person to person depending on their circumstances and age, so your view may not be necessarily what others will think. I take it you're very unhappy here and I am sorry you feel that way. Many others feel the same way as you and I hope that sooner or later you and others find that golden job and manage to move on.

Head in sand ? Depends what is going around in one's head and what your reason is for being here.

As for working here, Use them as they use you, once complete, move on if you're not happy.

Not everyone is unhappy. Some love, some hate it. Depends who you are and if you miss home or family.

[WELCO]

@Black Pudding

Good thinking!

It's amazing how our lives become surprisingly better when we start utilizing one of the most fascinating traits in ourselves.. It's called " Flexibility"! Even if you don't think you are flexible, learn it!


Good luck.

[PT6Driver]

Black pud,
How long do you estimate till command and is there any transfer from 320 to long haul?

[Black Pudding]

Black pud,
How long do you estimate till command and is there any transfer from 320 to long haul?


How long is a piece of string.


If you have 3 years service and more than 5000 hours, you may be looked at for command

Fleet transfer eligable after 3 years after line check I think and if there is a requirement for you to move.


Transfer to long haul ? Who knows. If your a Captain on 320, more chance of walking on water, if you're a first officer, a lot more probability. The problem is, we are short of crew and its not easy to get you off this fleet and onto another fleet due to the training of someone to replace you. The 320 fleet is growing and I think new 320s to join the fleet in 2012, so letting people off it is not as easy as it sounds.

And really, you sure you want long haul ? Sounds glamorous, but its not. The 320 flying here is good enough for some. 330 is better, 777 is hard work. Each to their own. Far more chance of getting another job outside Qatar should you want to leave after a while with a 320 rating rather than a 777 rating.


Lets put it this way. If you join Qatar as a First Officer, in time you may have a chance of fleet transfer which you may not get working for other airlines that do not have such a large selection of aircraft. Also, unless you're stupid or very unlucky, you're not going to lose your job like Spanair or Malev guys

[gdukkoq]

Command time on 320 is down to 2 years now if you have 5000hrs. It just got reduce, but a lot of FO still don't take the upgrade to move on a différant fleet.

[Godfather76]

Hi gdukkoq, is that 5000 hours Total Time or on A320/equivalent?

[gdukkoq]

No it's 5000hrs total time.

[outboundjetsetter]

A320 Drivers... would you mind telling us some of the locations you fly to.. ( on your fleet)

thanks

Outbound

[ODGUY]

Can any 320 FO give me an idea as to what kind of schedule one can expect? PM would be great. I don't need an actual schedule, just an idea of days off, kind of flights, etc. Can you put say 3-5 days off at a time, etc.

Thank you.

[flyforfood1]

See the A320 capt roster thread and you'll get an idea of what it's like on that fleet for both FO and Capt. It is possible to get a string of days off but purely down to how you bid and luck with rostering.....nothing is guaranteed. You may only see it once every 3-4 months otherwise it's standard 2 days off and back to work.

[swallowenforcer]

Odguy there is very little chance of getting more then 3 days off in a row. I have a friend who is a F/O on the 320, he bids for days off and the best he has had in 3 years has been 3 days in a row one time. If you are on the 320 you will be working or sleeping.

I am on the 777 and my roster is a joke, it is one of the worst things with QR. It seems the company will do their best to keep your days off to a minimum in a row. They know that's what you want so you can get out of lovely Doha so they always try to give you 2 days max.

But they guys on the 320 have it a lot worse then me.

If you're in your 20s, single, and this is your first jet job I'm sure you will enjoy it. But if you have a family and enjoy spending time with them you might not.

[Aerodmb]

What is the bond repayment schedule for a type rated guy?

I am typed on the B777, so what are the chances of getting the 777 as a new hire FO?

What is the SFO position and how does one reach it?

Thanks.

[skya320]

Senior First Officer:

One will be eligible 3 years after line check with ATPL and pass the review board. Don't ask me what they review at the board, cuz I just don't know. The only benefit is that your basic salary increase to QAR 24,200 a little bit higher than the fifth step as F/O (Fifth years in the same position)

[Black Pudding]

Aerodmb

Why do you not apply to Etihad or Emirates ?

[Aerodmb]

Thanks for the response...not really a factor for a new hire I guess. Not sure why the pay scale i saw had an SFO scale starting at year one.

BlackPudding: I did apply to Emirates and have been short listed, just checking out all the options. With Etihad I am short on time in type requirement of 500 B777 time.

[Black Pudding]

Aerodmb

I suggest you pick the telephone up and call Etihad and explain and ask to speak to someone.

[Aerodmb]

I will certainly do that, thanks for your suggestion.

[Iver]

Aerodmb,

Not sure if you are interested in it, but if you are not called for a few months and you are not picked up by EK or EY, perhaps you could get an early 787 FO slot with your 777 experience... It is a possibility with the first few 787s arriving in the summer.

That said, EK is probably the better deal in the ME and they have plenty of 777s for you. I am sure it would be difficult to leave the 777 after flying it, even for something like this:

Photos: Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boeing/Boeing-787-8-Dreamliner/2027640/L/%26sid%3dad7300ac6a000e274faf23f19f136179)

Good luck!

[ODGUY]

Thanks for the replies fellas :ok:

[samesame]

Honestly I think is one of the best salaryes in this region, specially for captains.

[mutt]

Honestly I think is one of the best salaryes in this region, specially for captains. Ummmmmm, I think you might be surprised to find that they aren't paying the most, unless of course they are earning US$15-20,000 per month, cash! Not including allowances.

Mutt

[blusky75]

and for 777 FO ?

[Check Airman]

Ummmmmm, I think you might be surprised to find that they aren't paying the most, unless of course they are earning US$15-20,000 per month, cash! Not including allowances.

Mutt
Where do I need to go to get that?

[potatowings]

SEARCH...

Both question covered in this very thread!

[Phantom Driver]

RnR

777 Skipper,

Take home 15000http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Housing & schooling extra..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Not too bad..http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/yeees.gif

Indeed, not bad. However, not a guaranteed monthly sum; take some leave and you will soon see a dent in take home pay.

By way of contrast, Saudia advertised recently in Flight for 777 Capts. Now, THAT is what a pay package should look like :ok:

[Captain Partzee]

777 Skipper,

Take home 15000http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
Housing & schooling extra..... http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Not too bad..http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/yeees.gif

It is not true. :=

[potatowings]

Which part is not true, the salary being 'not too bad' or the stated take home?

[Captain Partzee]

"Take home 15000" :=



And



"Not too bad."


Remember it is Doha! :E

[RnR]

Patty,,

Rightly so,, when you're on leave you will get lesser as you fly lesser.
Having said that,,, this was last month,, Avg 13.5-14K... :rolleyes:


Capt Parrot.,,, oops Partzee,,,

So you know better than i what my salary was... :=
An Doha's not for everyone i know,,, but depends what you make out of it...
Do you see the glass half full or half empty!!!! :hmm:

just said what it was for me,,
Off to,,

RnR... :cool:

[Captain Partzee]

"Rightly so,, when you're on leave you will get lesser as you fly lesser.
Having said that,,, this was last month,, Avg 13.5-14K..."


It is not true. :=

RnR
YOU SHOULD BE SPECIAL! :E

or ... you are HR team trying to bring skippers in.:}

[RnR]

Capt Parrot:rolleyes:,,,

Yes thank you,, I am special!!!! :E
Maybe I should send you a copy ,, that would really get you....,,


Since you seem to know it all!!! :=

Enough said,,

[Dimazoma]

Anyone have a list of destinations for the 320 and where any layovers may occur?

Is the 31000 QAR based on 70 hrs and over that it is 120 QAR per flight duty hour? (Capt)

[ODGUY]

What if you fly over 75hrs/month as an F.O., is there an overtime pay? If so, what is it?

[salamalikum2]

Overtime payment....:= for cabin crew only my friend!

31000qr is the basic salary for new captain.(excluding flight allowance).

[gdukkoq]

FO gets 90QR per every hours they fly and it is 120 for Captain, in addition to the basic salary and other allowances. The total package for FO is average 11,5k USD and 16k for captains.

[flyforfood1]

Hard to discuss monthly salary as its very fleet dependent (and hours of course) but it can differ by as much as almost 2000 to 3000 USD! Talking 320 to 777, this is for an FO.

[ODGUY]

Wow, so no Overtime pay for pilots!!! That's a huge negative point.

I can't believe I'm reading this...

[PENCRAN]

Je suis commandant à Qatar Airways
j'ai juste une question
pourquoi Déconneur?
cordialement

[JPJP]

I believe that's a request to surrender unconditionally. :E

[gdukkoq]

Pencran tu es sur quel secteur ? Je commence en mai, en attente pour la flotte. Amitiés

[Capt Krunch]

gdukkoq

The total package for FO is average 11,5k USD and 16k for captains.

I've been on the Capt scale at QA for 10 years +.. the top pay scale they offer, flying on the widebody fleets and I can occasionally come close to making that much with ALL extras in.. This is NOT the salary for new joiners i can guarantee.

so do not come here believing that you will earn that much straight off… it will not happen.


ODGUY
yes thats right NO overtime pay.

poisoned by compromise
krunch

[ODGUY]

Interesting....thanks.

[Cat3BNoDH]

maybe 10 years ago things were diferent!! The salary now has no secrets, 31000QAR for CPT on entry (increased 1000 every year till 10 years), plus 1500QAR for utilities, plus 300QAR for transportation. Then comes the 120QAR per block hour ( based in 850 block hours a year on the 320) wich means 102000QAR a year (average), plus 12000QAR/ month for the house allowance (144000QAR/year) and if you have 2 kids they pay you till 35000QAR/year per kid wich means 70000QAR more. All added up and you take more or less 710000QAR per year. Now just do the math... 1QAR=0.365USD or 1QAR=0.209€ whatever you're aiming for!
Of course you can argue that house and school allowance don't count as salary but even so you get about 496000QAR per year. Maybe I'm wrong but the calculator showed 15075USD or 8673€ per month. But then again, this is all average...for a first year CPT.

Nice landings

[salamalikum2]

Cat3b....
Today 15000 $=..11000... €.:hmm:
As a new joiner,you won't get the housing allowance,they will put you in company accommodation.

[gdukkoq]

Nô more housing Available for new joiners at this time!

[Cat3BNoDH]

Salamailakum2

You're right! My mistake was the conversition rate: 1QAR its not 0.365USD but 0.275USD, so the actual salary for a new joiner captain will be in average 11400USD or 8600€ ( today's rates). If you add the house and education allowances the number will be around the 15000 that was mencioned before...
As for for the new joiners acommodation, my contract states 1st month on a hotel then get the money and find your own shack...

[Non Zero]

... don't forget the bond for NTR (- 50k US)!

[Iver]

Non-zero,

Is the bond deducted from your salary or is it that you have to pay it back if you leave within a set number of years (i.e., 3 year bond)?

Also, if you are hired onto the Airbus and you are already A320 type rated and current, do you still have the training bond? :sad::}:confused::confused::confused:

[Non Zero]

Also, if you are hired onto the Airbus and you are already A320 type rated and current, do you still have the training bond?

bond only for NTR!


Is the bond deducted from your salary or is it that you have to pay it back if you leave within a set number of years (i.e., 3 year bond)?

5.000 qr each month out of your basic for the first 18 month from DOJ. No time limit ... pay the bond and you are free ... or...

[Ghost_Rider737]

I take home $8000 US dollars per month. I fly A320s for an airline in africa. 4th year FO
Average 50 hrs a month. The figure includes flight pay. We get a minimum of 10 days off in a month and that includes at least one full weekend. Ie Friday to Sunday

[Flyingstig]

At the end of the day, you will get what you get.
If you are basing a decision to move your family and life to Qatar on +\- $1000 my advice is don't do it.!!
The basic pay is clearly stated, the allowances are what they are, precisely that!
Some people spend all their housing allowance, others don't, and put money in the bank.
We've all seen guys who don't spend any money on a nightstop, their 'take home pay' will be more than the guy who likes a few beers and a steak when he's away.
It can't be just about the money, IMHO!:cool:

[Ghost_Rider737]

Flyingstig you are 100% correct. :ok:

What's your quality of life worth to u ?

[salamalikum2]

" Average 50hrs a month......a minimum of 10 days off in a month..":)
Talking about quality of live,In comparison,that's something you will probably never see on your A-320 roster in Qatar airways....:uhoh:

[Cat3BNoDH]

that's a concept that varies a lot from person to person, depending on culture, nationality, religion, upbringing, etc...
Maybe if you fly 50 hours a month, with 10 days off per month but you'r:ooh:e living in a s:ooh:t hole, you'd prefer to fly 100 hourd just to be out of there... Or if you're living in a nice, secure place with pretty good facilities for your family and yourself and ending most of your duty at home base you wouldn't mind to fly 90 hours per month to keep things like they are!
So, what I mean is as long as anyone is getting what they went for...that's quality of live!

Nice landings

[gottofly]

Ghost rider
Wow,I am a Line Instructor on B737NG and make 7000 USD take home after 75 hrs and get 8 days off.

Is anyone sure if Qatar actually deducts money monthly towards a NTR bond..
I thought they only will take it if you decide to abandon ship before stipulated 2/3 yr bond.can anybody confirm?

[flynhigh]

6 Year A320 FO for a LCC in U.S....
13 to 15 days OFF a month...Clear after Tax $8450.00 each month...That being said First Year FO at EK bring home the same pay....Qatar needs to make some changes to attract more guys...

[salamalikum2]

Here we are again...
love the spring time in Qatar Airways...always a good period for the rumors to start flourishing..:ooh:

[captain.weird]

What do you mean with: 10 P/C increase in basic salary ?

[captain.weird]

For all positions? So SO, FO and CPT?

[salamalikum2]

Is this something to do with EK that start recruiting DEC...?
Otherwise I don't see any reason to increase the salary again,as the new package we received was less than 1 year ago (June 2011)!

[330airbus]

So you don't want the Increase?
I think there is a reason regardless of EK starting DEC.
QR being such a major airline, pay less than a LOT of other airlines in the region.
It will attract Pilots if they do go through with this increase in pay.

[Ghost_Rider737]

Just from reading this thread I gather , you guys at QR deserve the increase .

Good for you :ok:

[Non Zero]

Is anyone sure if Qatar actually deducts money monthly towards a NTR bond.. Unfortunately is confirmed! ... to avoid future jump shippers!

Just from reading this thread I gather , you guys at QR deserve the increase . Living the dream ... one nightmare at the time! But at least those rumors put on a big smile on your face! :E

... said that ... the rapid expansion need to be lead by financial incentive ... just to show to the aviation community who has the real "cohones" to continue this game!

[goran75]

@non-zero
5.000 qr each month out of your basic for the first 18 month from DOJ. No time limit ... pay the bond and you are free ... or...
Sorry, I didn t quite understand, do you get this 90 000 qr back if you stay for 3,4 or 5 years?
Thanks

[spearomic]

From my contract, coming without any type, I have to pay 25k USD during 18 month, so 1388usd per month the first 18 months. and after 3 years they give you back the full 25k.

[flyforfood1]

I'm fairly certain it begins once you've passed your final line check - thats how the old bond system worked, i'm sure those on the new scheme will chime in soon enough.

[gottofly]

Is money deducted from NTR DEC's also.?how much per month?

[spearomic]

same system for ntr dec. deducted once your start flying the line.

[potatowings]

Do we know for sure when the bond deductions start?

Is it from the day you join the company or is it from when you complete the TR, when you start line training, or when you complete line training?

Really appreciate the info.

PW

[Cliff Richard]

IThoughtTheredBeFood

"I thought one of the selling points of this place was that they paid you in full on time."

Are you suggesting salaries and allowances aren't always paid when they should be?

Cliff

[Cliff Richard]

Thanks Kij' :)

[jibba_jabba]

Lets get something straight.... salaries are usually paid on time.... BUT they have to be paid into a bank account that does not get activated for up to 4 weeks because "the bank" wants a fricken letter stating your salary from HR (who take extraordinary amounts of time for simple things like a templated letter).

If you dont have a bank account before your supposed to be paid, then you get a cheque and take it to "another bank" to get cashed........

I like it here but its these things like needing letters to do things, and these said letters , for some reason take more time to recieve from HR than ???????????? :mad:...... thats what will leave you shaking your head asking why.

[wisecaptain]

StormMcginley have adverts out today for Qatar
I wonder what their cut does to the previously mentioned paylevels....if any?

[Drop_the_Pilot]

Post 135:
Latest news, 10 P/C increase in basic salary, and 1 full month bonus for profit.

Post 137:
The big difference is that, this time it is true

Post 156:
I just wrote NEWS, I never wrote "confirmed news"

Now what, is there any truth in the rumour or is it true that it's a rumour?

[Drop_the_Pilot]

Someone asked this question above:
if you fly 90+hrs every months, you will finish in 10 months.
then following two months off??

Forget it. Instead, you will be assigned stand-bys although they can not make use of you, or expect some stand-in duties in SIM. Stuff like that to hinder you from enjoying too long off-periods.

[Drop_the_Pilot]

So, some people out there consider the housing/school fee allowances at QR as part of the basic salary?

First of all, you need QR's permission to move to own accomodation. The monthly housing allowance is 12k for Capts and 10k for FOs. If you're single you may want to share an accomodation, this would be the best case (economically). But perhaps you cannot share because you've got a family. Have you checked the rents in Doha? It may be the better option to live in a company accomodation for a family.

The school fee allowance is QR 50k for a single child per annum. It's 35k per child and annum in case of 2 or max 3 children (4 children if you're a qatari national). Reimbursed is the exact amount of the tution fee only. The allowance does not apply to kids under the age of 4 and above 19 yr, even when they're studying. This is based on the 'Renumeration and Benefits Changes' from 12 June 2011.

Let's say, you have 2 kids going to school. Child A at grade 7 which tution fee is 45k/ annum, child B at grade 3 which tution fee is 20k/annum. Do you really think, because you have 2 kids you will be paid 70k just like that? No! For child B you will be reimbursed the actual costs of 20k, for child A the max, in this case 35k. Actually, you will have to pay 10k from your own pocket for child A for that academic year! Furthermore, the allowance covers only the tution fee. Test- and registration fees, school uniforms, shoes, books, transportation, special activities organised by the school (sports, trips etc) are NOT covered by any allowance.

Go ahead and recalculate your salary!

[Cat3BNoDH]

allowances are allowances, or helps to some aim!! No one here was expecting more than that neither considering them as basic salary, as they are not. But do you think those allowances are ridiculous or negligeble?? Maybe the company should pay also for our kids' ipads and Xbox... Sure that's the rigth way to do it... No less!! ;)

By the way, I'm pretty happy about the salary...

[Drop_the_Pilot]

Maybe I should have said: 'Go ahead and recalculate your salary the right way.

The allowances are of course not negligible. My intention was to enlighten those people who think of the housing/school fee allowances as a granted payment to everyone like the basic salary. You may opt for own accomodation to make your salary look better. But this allowance is never enough for a semi- or fully furnished decent accomodation. At the end there will be a couple of thousand $£€ less left for yourself from your hard earned money (certainly, some people take this into account and do it).

Maybe the company should pay also for our kids' ipads and Xbox...

I wasn't mentioning funstuff and toys, but rather necessary items required by the schools. Someone else earlier in this thread asked about registration fees.

Don't make any illusions. It's alright when allowances are paid, but they don't really help to maintain the salary, no matter how they're presented.

How about this one: not funstuff and toys, but other expenses which are required to run the business could be company-sponsored instead, e.g. resident permits, visa for family members, medical, e-gate pass.

[airwjo]

i just can say:

same like every year - spring time in doha - rumor time about salary increase

and by the way: money is not everything, quality of life is more important at least for me

cheers:ok:

[crazy_max]

Guys, so I am looking at houses, cars, and schools. The housing allowance for a family of 5 seems just adequate, barely at that, but apparently manageable. As for schools, not at all, three kids 105,000 riyals? I already checked and it does not cover in the better schools. Am I mistaken? Can you gents clarify.
Thanks.

[Dimazoma]

cat3bnodh


maybe 10 years ago things were diferent!! The salary now has no secrets,
31000QAR for CPT on entry (increased 1000 every year till 10 years), plus
1500QAR for utilities, plus 300QAR for transportation. Then comes the 120QAR per
block hour ( based in 850 block hours a year on the 320) wich means 102000QAR a
year (average), plus 12000QAR/ month for the house allowance (144000QAR/year)
and if you have 2 kids they pay you till 35000QAR/year per kid wich means
70000QAR more. All added up and you take more or less 710000QAR per year. Now
just do the math... 1QAR=0.365USD or 1QAR=0.209€ whatever you're aiming for!


Of course you can argue that house and school allowance don't count as
salary but even so you get about 496000QAR per year. Maybe I'm wrong but the
calculator showed 15075USD or 8673€ per month. But then again, this is all
average...for a first year CPT.








You said avg block hours for the 320 was 850 hrs. Do you know what the avg block hours for the 777 or other wide body aircraft would be? I was just wondering if there was a substantial pay difference between the wide body and narrow.

Thanks

[airwjo]

There is, there is

320 and 300 guys are the poorest ones

777 guys get paid for sleeping

330 normally good layovers, good paycheck, but also flying a lot

But check the whole thread, lots of it was said already earlier

[Chuck Noris]

Get payed for sleeping:ugh:

Grow up airwjo

[Check Airman]

Get payed for sleeping:ugh:

Grow up airwjo


pay 2
verb ( past and past part. payed) [ trans. ] Nautical
seal (the deck or hull seams of a wooden ship) with pitch or tar to prevent leakage.



My sincere condolences to the poor 777 pilots who got payed. That really is a violation of your human rights.

[airwjo]

dear chuck noris

if u can't stand the truth, than do not insult other people, or do u tell me, that u do not get payed while sleeping or let's call it resting in the bunk with yr fancy inflight entertainment system while u fly to jfk, iah etc?

if this is the case, than i say nothing - but it is not - or did i miss something new in qr, except the 66% rule?

pls inlight me:ok:

[swallowenforcer]

So you want us to fly the whole 16 hours to IAH? What you don't think we should be paid for the whole flight, just when we are in the seat? What's your point?

[gdukkoq]

Airwjo, your comment has no sense, you remind me of those frustrated bush pilots who believe they are superior because they know how to fly without an Autopilot. But note for yourself, we all know how to fly a plane, this is not what's most difficult in this job. And don't use childish comments like that, just making a fool of yourself.

[gottofly]

I have a friend who has been for the interview last month and confirms there is no bond money deductions for DEC's.Infact he has been offered right seat B777 and after 500 odd hrs (subject to performance ofcourse)upgrade to command and has been told nomoney deducted towards bond.If you leave before 3 yrs,you cough up the money and clear all dues etc.
about waiting period,it seems they are inviting people as per ones experience and background.
good luck to all.

[flyforfood1]

.....and after 500 odd hrs (subject to performance ofcourse)upgrade to command.....

Doubtful when you require at least 2 years in the company, 2 consecutive sim's at above 4 grading....plus there are more than enough guys with the hours to change seats...

[Non Zero]

I have a friend who has been for the interview last month and confirms there is no bond money deductions for DEC's. .
The bond is only for NTR ... the same for left or right seat! Around 50 k$ also if they put you on a short type rating corse!

Infact he has been offered right seat B777 and after 500 odd hrs (subject to performance ofcourse)upgrade to command
5 is correct but the unit is not hours but years . Living the dream ... the best thing to do is to join as DEC!


nomoney deducted towards bond
Again for NTR is 5000 qr per month from DOJ for 18 months ... but things can change pretty fast around those barns!

[vlatkomk]

I see a lot of figures and great information on pay in these posts and have a great idea of what Qatar pays, thank you all for that.

I do not see however, whether or not these numbers are pre-tax or post-tax or if QA salary is tax free.

I apologize if I missed it somewhere, but I searched the whole thread and could not find it. If anyone can shed light on this or point me to a post that has this info, I will be forever grateful :) Thanks!

[salamalikum2]

Q.R. Salary is tax free.

[Ethiopia]

Anybody care to share the figures for FTSO?

Have a good day.

[vlatkomk]

Thank you, salamalikum2.

[Boeing Europe]

Does anybody know how long you will be an SO/on So salary 2 bars etc etc as I am 50 hours short of direct entry FO and no exceptions can be made I must join as SOfast track I have heard you are full FO after 500 hours A320....?

[potatowings]

Apparently if you have the FO time by joining you'll be FO, but if the number of bars is an issue, I believe FO's wear 2 until SFO.

[Dan 98]

What is the criteria please to move from FO to SFO, is it hours or time served?

Does this involve an increase in the base pay of 21,500QR on promotion to SFO or just an extra bar to wear!!

Also does anyone know or able to confirm that if you join as an FO Non TR you obviously have the bond payments taken from your salary for 18 months. If you wanted to or needed to leave at this point (ie.18 months) as you have paid the $25kUSD back or are you still bonded for 3 years ?

Many thanks

[potatowings]

The detailed pay scales are on pilot jobs network.

Don't know about promotion. Think it's after 3 years or so.

No idea about the bond. I would assume that after 18 months you will still owe 18 months bond. Since the $25k is paid back at the 3 year point I think it's used more of an incentive to stay rather than a payment scheme to leave.

[Dan 98]

Thanks i can see how they pay it at 3 years as a carrot to stay and it isn't that i would definitely want to, i just wanted to know if needs arose that you could without having to pay any money. I was not sure if the bond was $25k or $50k?

Many thanks

[salamalikum2]

Don't known the level of confidence we can have to the following;

Seems that some Qataris have asked for a..60 percent increase of the salary in Qatar airways (probably jealous about their colleagues in the army who received last years ..a 100 percent+ increase):eek:.
CEO off course refused to give 60 percent more to Qataris only...but "proposed"instead a 20 percent increase for everybody...again proposing something is one think..signing it..is another think!
Now I can understand the rumor i have seen here before about salary increase..and where it comes from...:cool:

[Flyingstig]

Hi, I don't recall seeing any mention of a 13th month pay bonus.
Admittedly, I didn't search every posting!

Do they pay this? I know it is customary in some companies in the region!
Cheers:ok:

[Aussie]

From what i read, no such thing in Qatar :)

Good luck

[salamalikum2]

Flyingstig.indeed not such a thing here (13th month):=
the Only thing we got the last two years is...one week bonus..:{
If you want a decent bonus, you should apply to EK.:8

[Flyingstig]

Thanks guys!
Used to be a kind of "Eid Bung"!
Insh'Allah.

[rain dance maggie]

If a deck crew has rented an apartment with less the amount of money than QR is giving him, will the rest of the allowance go into his pocket?
ty..

[mutt]

the salary in Saudi is paid 13 month , because they are on a lunar calendar Lunar calendar equates to 12.3 months, the 13th month salary paid in Saudi is in recognition of the month of Ramadan, and is not paid by all companies.

Mutt

[flyforfood1]

Can someone remind me what the end of service benefit/bonus is. It's so many weeks per year employed but I cannot find it?

Thanks!

[loc22550]

flyforfood,
it's even less than that..as it's is 3 weeks of the basic salary per year of service for the first 5 years( not 2) Then it becomes 4 weeks for anything above 5 years of service.
in other words if you work 10 years, you Should be pay 3 weeks of basic x 5 and 4 weeks of basic X5.
Should be...as People who resign will just receive a cheque,but will never see the detail of the payment of the gratuity.

[rsajlk]

Capts receive 12000, FOs 10,000 regardless of how much you actually pay rent. If your rental cost is less than allowance then the difference is yours to keep.

[rain dance maggie]

Thank you for your reply,much appreciated:ok:

[Global01]

Hello everybody !

I know that QR gives housing allowance of 10000 qr for FO and 12000 qr for Capts...

What about furniture allowance ? is it considered and how much ? if yes, then when ? is it after the probation period or as soon as you join QR ?

Is it true that married pilot get 2000 qr Extra ? That what every company in qatar gives to married employees ....

What about the interest free loan from the company ? and what is the max amount if given ?

Thank you !

[av8tordude]

Hello everybody !

I know that QR gives housing allowance of 10000 qr for FO and 12000 qr for Capts...what about furniture allowance ? no
is it considered and how much ? no
if yes, then when ? never
is it after the probation period or as soon as you join qr ? no

is it true that married pilot get 2000 qr extra ? no
that what every company in qatar gives to married employees ....not at qr

what about the interest free loan from the company ? no
and what is the max amount if given ? $0

[Global01]

Whattttttt ? Are you sure ? Not even Furniture loan ? Then, we'll have to buy it from our salary ....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

TX

[salamalikum2]

Furniture allowance (like other benefits:overtime payment,Days off down the route payment..)has been removed long time ago.

[CaptainProp]

Then, we'll have to buy it from our salary ....Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Yea, sounds horrible hu?! Buying your own stuff using your own cash!! :E

[gbax]

I'm not sure if this has been covered previously, but, is there an education allowance for your children.

Regards,

G

[casablanca]

While it is perfectly normal to buy your own furniture, I think some may be surprised as it has been the norm at places like Ek to move into a fully furnished villa, or if you choose to buy your own they give you 45,000 Dirhams.

[Global01]

Well, Most of the big companies in Qatar such as Qatargas, Qatar petrolium, Rasgas etc... Gives furniture allowance up to 60000 qr for senior staffs and up to 35000 qr for junior staffs, And the amount of money given will be yours after 4 years of service, In case of leaving the company within the first 4 years the % amount should be reimbursed or will be automatically deducted from End of service gratuity...

gbax:

Education allowance is given: 1 child up to 50000 qr , 2 up to 80000 qr , 3 up to 105000 qr , some one please correct me if im wrong

G01 !

[tuan74]

[QUOTE]Yea, sounds horrible hu?! Buying your own stuff using your own cash!!/QUOTE]

That's really cracking me up...Thanx Capt Prop...:}

[hotline330]

Dear All Oryx crew,

Any news regarding bouns or salary increase

[salamalikum2]

hotline 330
Really optimistic people would probably say : " no news=good news".
I'm personally more realistic and i would say ; salary increase: nil, bonus: nil for this year.
But Last year if I remember well salary increase was announced ..mid June..and "bonus"(1 week basic salary!!)a little bit later..so till there..keep dreaming...:rolleyes:

[indianace]

hi guys..its been some time since i posted...well...lets get to the matter
: bond...up to the company..if you dont like than dont join..its the only
way to keep the workforce.
housing.. 12k for capt and 10k for f/o..good villa fully furnished
on normal area.but if u want to live in an area like hollywood
celeb..than u need to pay more.( i am only paying 9k for fully
furnished apartment in area called mansoura..3 bed room.)
education..for 3 kids..avearge 35000/per kid company money..however i
paying a little more as my kids out of country.
work.. nice enviroment..follow the rule...thats all..is it that diff?
country..the safest in the world...i go shopin( its summer now ), i have my
car on all time with ac...and when i come back from shoppin..car
stil there.
salary.. all time end of month without fail....

[hitacan]

Hi everybody! What do you know about the new bond for SOs?
It came out at the end of May; can anyone copy and paste any official info about that? Thanks!

[Chuck Noris]

Good job:D

[Check Airman]

Thanks for the information!

[salamalikum2]

Not fully correct,
1-The qatar airways captain basic salary after 10 years(of being a captain) is -not 34900..but 41000QR, indeed the basic annual increase for captain lasts for 10 years of seniority in your respective grade (CPT), unlike for first officer (5 years).
2-And IMHO, the EOSG calculation is based on your LAST basic salary.:bored:
3-What about the EK Bonus..used to be 2..3 months basic salary!

[Chuck Noris]

Oh yeah that's right from year 5th to year 10th is showed the same basic for both Capt and FO on the EOS scheme.

Cmon av8tordude do it again :O

[archer_737]

So, I did not have enough time to review your doc, av8tordude

But, as I see in the monthly salary, in QR you assume a housing allowance instead of be receiving an apartment from the company (and according 0$)
But, in the EK column I see Housing = 0.

Well, if you compare a F/O from QR living on his own and having company's money and a F/O from EK living in company accommodation and having 0 from the company... that's not fair at all. Take company's allowance in EK (if I don't remember wrong, in € is about 2800, much much more than QR)

Then you add to the F/O in QR a transport amount. Well, obviously you don't have this in EK because THEY PICK YOU UP IN YOUR PLACE AND DROP YOU DOWN IN THE OPERATIONS DOOR (and then back home when finished). This includes every DUTY so transport to the simulators or ground courses every year are included.
So, this amount should not be taken into account in the QR F/O or otherwise you should add at least the same amount to the EK F/O's (if not more, because the price of the ride includes a chauffeur and not walking 15min from where you park your car when flying and your company operations building is)

Look, you're happy at QR. I respect that, and I really wish you best luck and improvements in terms on retirements, tickets for you and family etc. I do also because I have more than 5 friends there (F/O in the 777 and 321). BUT, if you're trying to compare QR with EK or EY man... I'm sorry but no way.

When I was in DXB for the assessment I shared experiences with a USA 747 Captain. He was there to assess as a F/O. He already had at this moment his welcome email as a DEC wide body in QR but he was trying and preferring to join EK as a F/O. And, unfortunately he didn't do it so you will probably fly with him from Doha. What I want to say is that this guy was OK for the treatment received in QR but he also recognized that the procedure, organization and professionalism of QR was far away from the one he saw in EK.
Same for a colleague of mine. Passed the EK assessment early this year and lately was invited to Doha by QR. Accepted the invitation and according to his own words: "the assessment in QR was a joke compared with the one in EK".
I have to say that he was also accepted as a F/O in QR but will obviously join EK.

And that's it. If you want to compare salaries do not forget the advantages you find in EK that are no included in your bank account but works good for your pocket (transport provided, tickets for family, etc)

Well, again, wish you all the best in QR because I'm sure that it is a very nice place to work. Will be there soon for visiting my friend in the 320 and won't mind to meet you all guys and take some pints. You pay for them of course. :ok:

[av8tordude]

But, as I see in the monthly salary, in QR you assume a housing allowance instead of be receiving an apartment from the company (and according 0$)

The housing allowance is a known variable, (no assumptions) because there won’t be any more company accommodations until further notice.
But, in the EK column I see Housing = 0.I left it blank because that information was unknown to me. If I had this information at the time of creation, I would certainly have included it. Instead I left it as an editable entry for those who may have this information to enter it on there own

Look, you're happy at QR. I respect that, and I really wish you best luck and improvements in terms on retirements, tickets for you and family etc. we also receive free transportation (via the 1500QR allowance), 1-free round-trip tickets & reduce fare tickets for the family. But that’s not why I created this worksheet.

Let me set the record straight!!!!!

I come here to offer as much “factual” information as possible. I’m not here to justify or make an argument over what airline is better. I created this worksheet from my spare time so people use what information is available to make an informed decision. I DID NOT waste my time trying to prove one airline is better than the other. I DON’T CARE!!!!

If I provided incorrect information, I had requested that someone bring it to my attention. NOT CRITICIZE ME FOR MY EFFORTS OR EXPLAIN THERE REASONS WHY YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS CHOSE EK OVER QR OR EY. Heck if QR was not a growing company, the argument would be..."which airline is better EK or EY...lol". The only thing I care about is that my bills get paid, my family and friends are taken care of, and I retire in 10 years and go back to home to my home country (which working for QR, EK, or EY will accomplish this goal.) I have no intentions of making the sandpit my retirement home!!!!


Having said all that, instead of critiquing my work, or criticizing my efforts, or trying to prove that you know more than thou, how about you offer what information you do have to the subject so that I and others can improve this forums for potential new hires to benefit!!!

Now, I would be gladly take the time to insert what factual information you may have and include it in the worksheet.

Oh, BTW, QR have their problems, but EK is not a perfect airline either! I'm only happy that I can make a respectable wage, provide for my family, and retire with dignity. Currently, in the States, no opportunity exist at the moment. And even if the opportunity presents itself, I have no intentions of starting over again (reserve, low pay, and low quality of life). NO THANKS! I can always visit my country or any other country I wish on the 42 days of vacation I receive every year.

[archer_737]

I can definitely tell you that EK is not a perfect airline, why would I otherwise be in the pool instead of joining them in the normal way? Lack of planing I would say!

My bad then, I assumed that the document comparing the two airlines was exactly for that, to compare them.

I agree that you did a great job and wasted there a lot of time and surely that can be helpful for our colleagues in the forum so I will do my best to pass you the correct information.

EK salaries:

Captain:
AED 36410/month (9900$)
Flying pay: AED 60 per block hour (16$)
Productivity hourly rate: AED 600 per block hour (162$)
Telephone allowance: AED 200 per month (54$)

F/O:
AED 25320/month (6894$)
Flying pay: AED 45 per block hour (12$)
Productivity hourly rate: AED 425 (115$)
Telephone allowance: AED 100 per month (27$)

Regarding the allowance:

Captain: AED 179400/year - 48850$ (AED 14950/month - 4070$)

F/O: AED 159840/year - 43524$ (AED 13320/month - 3627$)

The allowance will be paid divided in 2 checks per year.

Then you can apply for a AED 70000 (19061$) free of interest car loan which will be discounted from your basic salary in equal amounts for the next 4 years.

Also a nice thing, they have what they call: EXCHANGE RATE PROTECTION SCHEME. That means that you're paid in AED and obviously depending on the market fluctuation once you send this money to your place (in your case American Dollars to USA) you can be loosing money. They created this program which allows them to protect the 50% of your basic salary against the market fluctuation between AED/your local currency.

An to be finishing now, about the provident scheme:

You will be contributing 5% of your basic salary and the company will contribute 12% the first 10 years and then 15% thereafter.
If you calculate the 5% of the F/O accumulated by himself and the 10% by the company at the end of each year of service he will have an extra 6500$

If you leave you will have:

Less than 5 years service: employee's contribution only plus end of service benefit calculated on 21 days basic salary per year.

5 to 7 years: employee contribution plus 75% or company contribution or 30 days basic salary whichever is higher.

More than 7 years: employee contribution plus company contribution.


Then, there is a profit share scheme. Once closing the fiscal year they calculate the benefits and give every employee his percentage. Last year was 12 weeks basic salary for each employee. This year unfortunately I think they shared nothing as they said that the benefits were not as expected.
As they did that and you can not rely on this every year I won't ask you to include it on the table. Otherwise, taking 12 weeks for a F/O last year will give you in May an extra pay of: 20700$.

I think that's all. You can now complete your excel document closer to reality.

Thank you!

[av8tordude]

There seems to be a discrepency in your basic salary? According to EK website, it says the following...

• Captain: Monthly Salary Dhs 41,240 (Basic Salary plus Hourly Flying Pay based on 85 block hours per month).
• First Officer: Monthly Salary Dhs 29,145 (Basic Salary plus Hourly Flying Pay based on 85 block hours per month).


Why the difference?

Captain:
AED 36410/month (9900$)
Flying pay: AED 60 per block hour (16$)
Productivity hourly rate: AED 600 per block hour (162$)
Telephone allowance: AED 200 per month (54$)

F/O:
AED 25320/month (6894$)
Flying pay: AED 45 per block hour (12$)
Productivity hourly rate: AED 425 (115$)
Telephone allowance: AED 100 per month (27$)

[archer_737]

Well, because they are adding, as you said, a basic salary + 85 hours flown.

I copied to you the basic salary itself. Just that, basic salary (flying 0 hours).
Then you get , as a F/O, AED 45 for each hour up to a fixed amount. Then, for every extra hour AED 425.

For the extra hours they take into account:
31 calendar days per month---> 92 hours
30 days----> 89 hours
29 days----> 86 hours
28 days----> 83 hours.


So, if you say that they are assuming 85 hours flown that means AED 25320 per month plus 85hours x 45AED---> AED 29145 (7936$)

Let's assume that last February you flew 90 hours. You will then receive your basic salary + 86 hours payed at AED 45 each + 4 hours payed at AED 425 rate. Why? Because February was a 29 days month so the target for a 29 days month is to fly "only" 83 hours and all the hours above that target will be payed at the extra called "productivity pay".

In the case of a Captain same situation but normal hours payed at AED 60 and productivity pay at AED 600


Does it make sense to you now?

[archer_737]

Since I work for Qatar (as an pilot), I'm 99% confident the information is correct. The 1% remaining is base on company's day to day policy changes. I don't work for Emirates, but If anyone does and you find any errors, please let me know. Thanks

Just letting him know.

I come here to offer as much “factual” information as possible. I’m not here to justify or make an argument over what airline is better. I created this worksheet from my spare time so people use what information is available to make an informed decision. I DID NOT waste my time trying to prove one airline is better than the other. I DON’T CARE!!!!

Let's contribute to that with some corrected and complementary information so that the factual information for the rest of the guys will be as much accurate as possible.

[Craggenmore]

Archer 737

Who do you really want to work for? EK or Qatar?

[F14]

Amazing. Why are EK paying so much for pilots when they have full recruitment courses? Is there a retirement bulge or many moving to far east or getting fired?.

[Chuck Noris]

av8tordude

From the 5th year to the 10th year, showed the same basic for both Capt and FO on the EOS scheme of Qatar Airways. Not sure why, can you help me with that please??

Nice job btw

[av8tordude]

Working on it...standby....

[av8tordude]

Does EK provide the telephone allowance if living in company accommodations? Is there a "cap" on FO's salary? If so, what year does it start?

[archer_737]

Telephone allowance is only payed if you live in company accommodation. Also AED 27000 per annum is payed to you if you pick the company accommodation in order to pay bills for electricity, gas, etc.

None of the above are payed if you chose to take company's allowance and look for an apartment by yourself.

[archer_737]

Archer 737

Who do you really want to work for? EK or Qatar?

I don't think this is relevant to our conversation, don't you?

I'm sure I'd be more than happy to work for both.

[av8tordude]

Telephone allowance is only payed if you live in company accommodation. Also AED 27000 per annum is payed to you if you pick the company accommodation in order to pay bills for electricity, gas, etc.

None of the above are payed if you chose to take company's allowance and look for an apartment by yourself.

Archer

Should it be the other way around in regards to the allowances, where as If you live in company accommodations to don't receive the allowance, but if you live in the company accommodation, then you get the allowance?

Also, the utilities allowances...Is it 2,700/yr or 27,000/yr?

Just trying to understand.

[archer_737]

Well, it is obvious that if you're receiving 3600$ a month you have enough money to pay yourself the bills and phone. So if you leave the company accommodation and look for your own flat/villa you will be provided ONLY with the 3600$/month (from there you pay rent + phone + bills)

If you decide to stay in the company building then they will give you AED 27000 (7300$) per year for bills and the monthly telephone allowance I told you in my last post.

[av8tordude]

Archer...

Please understand, I'm relying on you to provide accurate data as I don't work for them. What good would this worksheet be if the output is not accurate as possible. That being said, is there a difference in accommodation allowance if you are provided housing for FO's and CA's or is the allowance the same? (i.e. 27,000 for FO & CA some other figure)

[archer_737]

Captain Housing allowance:
AED 14950 per month (AED 179499 per year) you pay bills and phone from this

F/O Housing allowance:
AED 13320 per month (AED 159840 per year) you pay bills and phone from this

The AED 27000 is only given to you if you live in company apartment/villa. Same amount for F/O or Captain.

[av8tordude]

*********************Calculator Update!***************************

There are two tabs: Qatar Airways & Emirates Airlines.

I've updated the calculator, which includes Qatar Airways and Emirates Airlines. You can calculate Salary and EOSG. Emirates also has a Provident Fund Scheme, which is also included.

If anyone find any errors, please let me know. Thanks

You can find the link here....

Salary-Pension Calculator.xls download - 2shared (http://www.2shared.com/document/vOVbNaHj/Salary-Pension_Calculator.html)

There are 2 "Download" buttons displayed. Click the smaller "Download" button. DO NOT CLICK THE LARGER "DOWNLOAD" BUTTON

[dark magic]

With reference to page 1 and Luke Skytoddlers comment - he is right on the money! Qatar is the joke airline that people are using for the rating, but because management are indian and the chief pakistani they believe traning is cheaper than keeping current pilots happy.

[av8tordude]

It would seem your issue is not with QR, but with other factors beyond QR's control. For example...

1. Your indignant attitude towards a person's background or culture that is different from yours. Your crappy attitude makes anybody of a different culture far superior than your Neanderthal mentality. For many Qataris, there is not a need for them to work, especially in a "service" position. Another factor you fail to realize, is the Qataris make up about 20% of the whole population of Doha. The majority of the population are Indians & Filipinos. Although there are challenges they face everyday, they are hard workers who appreciate the opportunities that had been given to them (unlike you and people like you who come here complaining about the housing allowance:yuk:).

2. Speaking on housing, there are housing available. To what degree will depend on your own living standards, which yours seem to be unrealistically high. It is required by law that all companies hiring Expats offer housing allowance base on a percentage of the employees salary; if company housing is not available. Beyond that percentage is the goodwill of the company. If you think the housing allowance is not enough, than that's a personal problem. To come to a country expecting to be housed in luxury is very naive. QR can not control the housing market. Supply and demand dictates the market. If there is a demand, which the market is taking notice with all the construction that is taken place, the supply is being built, therefore prices will come down.

On more than one occasion, you mention people should go to EK, rather than come here. News flash, EK is not a perfect airline! They, too, have their internal problems as well. This includes, rostering, salary, etc. But you would know this since you DON'T work for them. :rolleyes: As for the pilots salaries comparison, its quite clear in the calculator there is really no big advantage over one or the other. The salaries and allowances are about the same. The provident fund is nice, but to take advantage of this benefit, you would need a tenure of 7 years or more. (It would seem unlikely that you would make it that long with your crappy attitude.:rolleyes:)

So now what's left, lifestyle. Doha vs Dubai, which Dubai hands down takes the award at the moment. But over time, Doha is slowly getting there. Lets keep in mind, Dubai was not created overnight!:= Don't expect Doha to be like Dubai overnight.

Now with all that being said, I think you would agree there is NOT one airline flying today that is perfect!

Qatar is the joke airline that people are using for the rating, but because management are indian and the chief pakistani they believe traning is cheaper than keeping current pilots happy.

[Nick 1]

Any info regarding Salary and benefit for S.F.I. ?
Thanks.

[Prong Wallop]

av8tordude
Your salary spreadsheet is a dead link.
I would be interested in viewing it can you please re upload.

[av8tordude]

The link works, but if you are having trouble downloading it, pm me your email and I'll email it to you.

[repapips]

any Mac link?
the one you posted is for Windows.
Thanks

[CaptainProp]

I opened it on my Mac....

[Prong Wallop]

Is there any plan to include an extra tab for Etihad?
That would finish it off nicely

[Maurices]

Hello everyone,

About the education allowance. Is there an "under age" child restriction, or does the company start paying as soon as the child is born? I read somewhere that they would pay only after 4 years old. How about Kinder garden expenses ( before 4 years old..) ?

And about the bond for Non type Rated (Aiming for FO A-320). You say it starts counting after you finish your line training. So, after the first intervew, and considering that everything works out well, how long for you to do the tests, the A-320 course, and finish the line training ( = start your bond) ? (Average time)

How many days off does one have per year ? ( 42 ? )

In case the candidate is accepted for the initial interview, does the company pay for the flight Europe - Qatar ?



Thanks for your help

[Capt Jack Rosen]

Hi,

Would anybody please clarify the end of service benefits and the mandatory retirement age in QR. It would also be helpful if you can tell me what the annual salary increase for captains would be and what the maximum salary for captains is.

Also for those of you wondering if I have done my research on the forum, I have and I know what has been written in this thread regarding the 3 weeks for 5 years and 4 weeks for more than 5. I am curious as to whether this is based on each individual years salary or the salary you have when you leave.

Thanks

JR

[hoover1]

its at the rate of the salary you have when you leave

[de facto]

When I was in DXB for the assessment I shared experiences with a USA 747 Captain. He was there to assess as a F/O. He already had at this moment his welcome email as a DEC wide body in QR but he was trying and preferring to join EK as a F/O. And, unfortunately he didn't do it so you will probably fly with him from Doha.

Interesting..

[salamalikum2]

Capt JACK;
3% increase on the basic up to 10 years( capt).
captain basic goes from 31000 QR to 41000 QR.

[Capt Jack Rosen]

thanks for the info guys.


how about mandatory retirement age?

[ItsMeFromEarth]

65 :ok::ok::ok:

[Capt Jack Rosen]

Thanks IMFE...

[wisedude]

Could you please tell me if Vietnam Airlines is actually recruiting in the 777 fleet. Thanks.

[Jet-Stream]

Hello Everyone!

It's been along time since anybody asked if there is a salary increase on the way any time soon? With the current cost of living and education, I've been asking myself if it even worth staying here anymore?

[THR MCT]

Salary rise at Qr just dream on,:oh:

Right now the tendency goes rather toward cost cutting there is a rampage campaign in this direction .
Downgrade of layover hotels
No pay on days off ( of course, as usual no official announcement of this latest changes).
Double digit inflation.

Still the carrot and stick rule:{

Stay safe fly fast and high

TM

[viceo]

Hello all,

Does anyone know the salary and benefits for Capt and FO for Qatar Airways Executive? Are they the same that the Qatar Airways?

[TopGun 24]

Hi Guys, can you please tell me the details of salary nett for a new type rated 777 F/O?

[TopGun 24]

Thanks BB....will check

[winterinhell]

Hello alls..i would like to ask,does QR still pay per diem at layover station on local currencies or with ur salary every month?

[Fly4Fun]

Hi everyone,

Is QR still providing any exchange rate protection?
I heard from some collegues applying that QR is again providing free accommodation for Captains and that they take away the payment for working in a day off (that doesnt make any sense).

thanks.

[gatbusdriver]

Yes to ER protection.

Accommodation changes on a weekly basis. Ain Khalid Gate is the residence of choice for new entrants (although I have heard rumours of QR moving out, then again I've heard rumours of a pay rise too!!!). Can be temporary or permanent depending on the mood on the day. If you ask for enough extensions you will eventually be allowed to stay. Size didn't suit us so we took the allowance (rumour is..........ah, forget it).

Don't know anything about payment for day off working as I have never done it.

Regards,

GBD

[ODGUY]

Day off? :8

[TopGun 24]

Hi Everyone,
Where do u think I could fit in? 9500Hrs TT, of wch 1800Hrs PIC Military ME A/C, 5500Hrs WideBody Jet FO time, of which 3000Hrs on present A/C (B777), looking for a upgrade to Left Seat......Thanks

[Paper Lad]

TG24,

I'm pretty sure you need to be a current Captain to get a left seat gig at QR.

[BigGeordie]

I'm pretty sure you would need to be able to write proper English as well, rather than txt spk.

Yes, I am a grumpy old man. The people doing the interviewing probably are as well.:E

[TopGun 24]

Thanks PaperLad and BigGeordie....sorry about that...!!!

[SAFARI Fire Fighter]

f*ck
my stomach muscles are cranking up.
Salary increase ? you have a better chance al baker granting you permission to get married before wishing for this. Just look at there career website to see how they are REALLY scraping the bottom of the barrel to recruit before they increase salaries . HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! just p*ssed in my pants