EK 30 ton rule changed?

[Flyer1015]

I know a Captain who applied less than a month ago, had a little over 4000TT, only CRJ-200 time, and got short listed at Emirates. Does anyone know if they've changed the rule? EK requires 4000TT/2000Jet or 2500Jet modern, multi crew. Can it be that for those that qualify under the 2500 jet rule, the CRJ-200 doesn't count; but if you have 4000 total and 2000 in a CRJ-200, then you do qualify?

[Wizofoz]

Speaking to a friend in recruitment recently and the answer (much to his frustration!!) was no, it is still in place.

It's a stupid rule, but we seem stuck with it for the moment.

[Aussie]

Since on topic Wiz,

do ya know if it makes any diff if you have some time of the 2.5K on a jet below 30t, and rest on jet above that? Will they accept that, or its hard hours above the 30T...?

[Wizofoz]

Believe it or not, Aussie, you will have to divide it into the above and below 30T. Yes there have been guys flying CRJs 50/70/90s, MD80/90s and New/Old 737s that fall on either side of the line, and have had to work out how much on which.

It's a rule coming from the non-pilot levels of management, and no amount of persuasion has managed to change it.

[Laker]

Any idea on whether or not they are still getting a steady stream of qualified apps? Hopefully a big fat pay increase to inspire the masses is in the works...

[Wizofoz]

Keeping up at the moment, largely due to raping the likes of Ryanair, but the writting is on the wall.

[I.R.PIRATE]

(disclaimer)
Please excuse my under-educated questions.


When it comes to the 30t limit, are they talking MAUW or BOW?

Which bizjets then fall into the right bracket? Anything with MAUW or BOW (as referenced above) above 66,000 lbs?

Cheers
iRP

[Aussie]

The 30T rule is in reference to the MTOW of the aircraft...

Good luck

[typhoonpilot]

Wiz:

All MD-80s are over 55 tonnes.

Which bizjets then fall into the right bracket?

Doesn't matter, it has to be an airliner type :ugh:

If you have no airline time, i.e. corporate or military only then don't bother applying. EK doesn't want you. Stupid as that is, those are the present rules.



Typhoonpilot

[Aussie]

I thought i heard of heavy Biz jet type guys getting in, are you sure about that...?

[dash8pilotCanada]

As typhoon pilot said... The MTOW of the MD80 is 149,500lbs or 67.8 Metric Tons. The MTOW of the B732 (lightest of the 737 family) is 115,000lbs or 52 Metric Tons. The MD90 has a MTOW of 156,000lbs or 71 Metric Ton. All above 30 Tons as required by EK.

[Wizofoz]

Sure, sorry, just quoting off the top of my head, and was probably thinking of the previous, over 55 ton rule for DECS (which made B732 ineligable, while B733 was OK, ditto the MD-95/B717 Vs MD 80).

Point being, different varients over and under 30T are treated as different types for the purpose of the requirement.

[MagicCarpet]

More bad news RJ guys. Another one of those “tonne” requirements rears its ugly head if you join on the Airbus and want to get onto the 380. In order to get out of the roster misery of the 330 and onto the 380 you need 2,500 (or 3,000 depending which source you believe) hours on an aircraft with a MTOW of 55 tonnes or more, which no RJ or turboprop is. For 380 qualification, as far as Emirates is concerned your RJ time might as well have been in a Duchess. Doesn’t matter how much total time you have.

And don’t think you’ll rack up 2,500 or 3,000 hours quickly in the a330 because the reality is most A330 guys average much less actual flight time flight time than the 777 guys due to the nature of all the short hops the Airbus does around the middle east and India. I know we fly a lot, but remember, you also have 42 days a year of leave to figure in, plus recurrent, CRM, sim checks, trips pulled from your schedule so you can have tea and biscuits with the chief when you screw something up, sick calls to get out of hellacious turns to Thiruvananthapuram in the middle of the night, or whatever, so your average hours per month are much lower than the 777 guys who can do two LA’s, a Brazil, and a Bangkok-Sydney to wind up with half again more flight hours each month -and more days off- than the guys in the Airbus.

On the other hand, if you join on the 777 you can avoid all that nonsense, so if you get the job offer, my opinion is to hold out for the Boeing. I know the a330 sounds a lot better than five and six legs a day in an RJ, which it is, but if you take the Airbus, you will see all these guys pouring into the 777 below you on the seniority list with schedules and quality of flying so much better than yours, it won’t take long before you realize how badly you’ve stepped on your dick. Emirates needs guys so badly right now, I think they’ll give you the 777 if you hold out for it. I could be wrong, but if I had it to do over again, that’s what I’d do.

[captainsmiffy]

I hate to be pedantic here but it is the interview with the chief without tea and biscuits that is the one to be feared.....why does everybody get that one wrong?!!

[Flyer1015]

Just heard about yet another ERJ-145 only (less than 30 tons) interview at Emirates in November. No other greater than 30 ton jet time. What's the deal with EK recruitment in regards to the 30 ton rule? Do you need it or not? There seems to be no set standard, with some getting called without it and others being denied for not having it.

[Aussie]

Mate... Clearly ya want to go there, so why dont you just apply and hope for the best?

[Megaton]

Captainsmiffy

Concur. Could never understand why pilots in my company think that tea and biccies was a bad thing. In a previous life: hat, carpet, no tea, no biscuits was the interview to avoid.

[Black Pudding]

Ham P

You still in BA ?

[NeilPeart]

I heard from a buddy who heard from a buddy that EK dropped the 30 ton requirement. Any truth to this?

Neil

[fatbus]

No need to at the present time.

[LunaPic]

Why is it not stated in theire mins ? I have applied with 7000 tt, 2500 on turboprop, 3000 on crj 200 , 2500 as FC and received a letter " you do not fullfill our minimum requirement. Strange !!:ooh: and a waste of my time.

[GMC1500]

We were told in the wash up today that they are getting tons of applicants for the right seat, can't remember the exact number but its almost double the monthly average.
It would seem Ryanair is becoming an EK training college.

[groundtoflightdeck]

What's "the wash up"?

[Poire]

It is a term invented by EK mngmt.

At the end of your recurrent groundschool day, a guy from flight ops shows up and tries to clarify/answer all the questions/concerns the pilots in the classroom might have.

Whatever they have to say can be news for the new joiners, but it is a boring half hour for the senior ones.
:E

[groundtoflightdeck]

Thanks for the explainstion... It's a descent idea, when I think of joining I asked the guys I know there. Where I am people ask me and I can't help them. It's smart for a company heavy into recruitment. But yes once your in the interest in hiring falls dramatically.

[Capt. Flamingo]

"It would seem Ryanair is becoming an EK training college."

No hope for a pay increase I guess...

[TPD111]

Hi Guys, just wondering what the latest is with bizjet hours?

Everyone keeps talking about a 30 tonne rule, but i've noticed the application specifies above and below 55 tonne???

Also, where can i find info about transferring from one middle eastern carrier to another and the bonds/restrictions they have in place?

Cheers

[fatbus]

Only taking 320 on the bus right now. Im sure its the same on the 777 with 73ng, but that will dry up.