Ferrying Warrior UK to Australia

[gazza01]

Am relocating to australia and am keen to find out how to get a PA-28 ferried to Melbourne...any suggestions ?

[NZ X man]

Do you want to do the trip yourself or have a company or contractor do it?

[gazza01]

wont have the time to do it, so an individual or company...

[pulse1]

Make sure that you read this before you choose someone:

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/445665-ferry-bad-experience.html

[gazza01]

mmm...noted...

[Clearedtoreenter]

I have never brought one that way... economically it does not make much sense because you could probably secure a similar plane here even if imported from US, for less than yours would be worth. Ferrying nearly always seems to cost more than you think and be subject to some kind of big or small complication along the way. At least once its in the box, you can be more or less sure it will arrive on the dock more or less as it was packed, at a time and cost you estimated. Ferrying is much quicker of course and if all goes well, you could be up and running with a new Aus Certificate of Airworthiness (if you are thinking of importing permanently) within a week or three. Alternatively, it could be stuck in some god foresaken hole with a cracked cylinder or some piece of paper a tin pot General does not like or some unforeseen 'charges' no-one envisaged....

Having said that, there are quite a few very experienced and reliable ferry pilots around here who know their trade well and specialise in bringing planes of all sizes and types from all over the world to Australia (not the anywhere any time types - coming here is a bit different to the average Atlantic crossing.) I don't care to recommend anyone in a public forum, but I'm sure there are folks around here who will:). I doubt they would work out cheaper or more predictable than a box though... but if you want the 'thrill' of a lifetime, (even if you don't sit in the plane!) Why not?

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Am relocating to australia and am keen to find out how to get a PA-28 ferried to Melbourne...any suggestions ?

Plankie, where are you?

Dr :8

[Jack Ranga]

gazza, if you are making a new start in Aus why would you come to Melbourne (cold, miserable, bastard of a place).

Anything north of the Murray River should be ok :ok: The nanny state decreases as you head north from there!

[tail wheel]

Jim Hazelton? One of the few GA and ferry pilots in Australia that is actually older than our current GA fleet!!!

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Make sure that you read this before you choose someone:

A Ferry Bad Experience

wow.:rolleyes:

[Old Akro]

Have you had a good look at the cost of getting it here (including the costs of putting it on the Australian register) vs selling it in the UK and buying a replacement here?

[jib]

Gazza,
There are various options. Send me a private message if you need some names and numbers.
Cheers,
jb

[T28D]

Put it in a box and ship it !!! Costs are known, customs clearances are easy.

Ferry via India at your peril.

[ChaseIt]

PM me if your still looking for someone to fairy it for you...

[T28D]

AH those Faries Bottom of garden stuff

[VH-XXX]

As Dr has eluded to a well known forum member Plankbender said he was going to attempt this trip. We never heard from him again...

[27/09]

PM me if your still looking for someone to fairy it for you...

Did you mean away with the fairies, or a fairy tale.... or perhaps a Fairey Swordfish or ...... did you mean ferry? :E

[27/09]

Make sure that you read this before you choose someone:

A Ferry Bad Experience

I stumbled upon this the other day, absorbing reading, though you need several hours to plough through it all. A very interesting character is Mr Robert Weaver.

[ChaseIt]

Ahh yes to many years of lazy typing, love the young computer generation :}... you know what i ment haha

[27/09]

If you really want to ferry it out to this part of the world tanking it up and going via the USA would be by far the easiest way from a political and bureaucratic point of view. Technically a bit harder with the tanking requirements.

Putting it in a box will be the easiest way to get it here.

The best option over all is to sell it in the UK and buy out here, though I guess you have your own reasons for wanting to keep it.

[27/09]

Ahh yes to many years of lazy typing, love the young computer generation ... you know what i ment haha

Yep, but it was too good an opportunity to miss. :)

[VH-XXX]

What ever you choose you or the aircraft might end up in a box....

[The Green Goblin]

And with the 250L tank, don't stall it :hmm:

[flyinkiwi]

Make sure that you read this before you choose someone:

http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-fl...xperience.html (http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/445665-ferry-bad-experience.html)

Wow what a marathon read! I got no work done at all :}

[magvelda]

Hi Plankbender.

I trust you are well - Thanks for your kind comments.

Gazza01

I will be delighted to help you with your trip.

Please feel free to PM or contact me anytime.

Ferry Bad Experience - OMG....

Best Wishes

M WRA

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Know what INDIA stands for?

I'm
Never
Doing
It
Again!
:mad:

[jib]

27/09,
May i respectful disagree with the idea of going via the US? BGBW can be an eye opener on the way from the UK and the 2020nm from KOAK to PHTO can be a very long way with a fuel feed problem or cranky oil system. Ive done many a crossing that way promising the engines/engine more fuel tomorrow if they will just use less today.

I have been in and out of VABB in 20 minutes with the right agent. It is expensive however, from there to VCBI, WMPK, WSSL, WADD, YPPD, YAYE the YMMB. I went EGBJ to YSBK many years ago in a 182 and had a ball.
Cheers,
JB:)

[debiassi]

Eastbound definately the right way and if you fly it, then its gonna cost!!
If its to go in the journal as a lifetime experience that you are
prepared to pay for, then flying it isnt that difficult.
For insurance purposes you may need a "Ferry / Safety Pilot"
If you dont wish to or dont have time to make
a trip of a lifetime, then crate it for sure. It will be quite a bit
more cost effective. Not sure why anyone would suggest going
West? Simply makes no sense. Greenland is cheap and civilised
by comparison to some of the places en route eastbound.
Egypt is improving thanks to the GASE movement but
India is daylight robbery as suggested and its more than the
curry that leaves a bad taste. What the handling agents there are allowed to
get away with one could write a book about
To get a certified tanking solution will make your eyes water
and an uncertified option is fairly easy but is in any event a gamble.
Any further advice PM me, I am happy to help with routing, charts,
handling and overflight suggestions, all for free.

[ABX]

Hi Plankie,
...refusing to send back a set of aircraft keys he mistakenly took with him, or refund a thousand bucks I overpaid...
Sounds very much like one of the stories in the A Ferry bad Experience thread (http://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/445665-ferry-bad-experience.html). Weaver is alledged to have done exactly that. Are we talking about the same person?

[startingout]

I can't believe 10k could be enough to go from the UK to Australia... A little... Government entertainment expense was required from myself on a recent trip via vietnam which cost a greater part of that figure :\ Never have done ferries out side of Australasia though.

[T28D]

Try $60 k for an incident free trip single engine less that 300 HP

[TBM-Legend]

If it's your pride and joy box and send it here. Marine transit insurance will cover any issues. Use a good company near where it will live to put it together and on the Oz register..

Cost wise you'll not be out of pocket.

*most PA28's here are tired old junk...

[27/09]

JIB27/09,
May i respectful disagree with the idea of going via the US? BGBW can be an eye opener on the way from the UK and the 2020nm from KOAK to PHTO can be a very long way with a fuel feed problem or cranky oil system. Ive done many a crossing that way promising the engines/engine more fuel tomorrow if they will just use less today.

I have been in and out of VABB in 20 minutes with the right agent. It is expensive however, from there to VCBI, WMPK, WSSL, WADD, YPPD, YAYE the YMMB. I went EGBJ to YSBK many years ago in a 182 and had a ball.

You make some good points, however having dealt with some of the nationalities and heard some stories about transiting through the middle east and the sub continent I think I would lose my patience, hence my suggestion of going the other day.

Though I must admit it would be a great adventure to go through the middle east and the sub continent if you didn't have to deal with all the red tape and corruption. Starting Outs comments about Vietnam typify what I'm going on about.

So far as crossing the Atlantic, I have a mate who's done it many many times in light aircraft and approached the right way its not a problem including BGBW. Granted the KOAK to PHTO leg is certainly not for the faint hearted.

[debiassi]

Flying Eastbound really isnt an issue if you know
where to route and which handlers to use and certainly
no more volatile then routing west which would be significantly
more expensive BTW.
The correct routing is fairly standard and has been tried and
tested many times. The clue is to have everything agreed prior
to arrival to try and avoid hidden extras.
If the option of a Mogas STC exists, this would also ease issues.
For sure you will need a pocket full of US dollars and another
good clue is to have fuel releases via worldfuel services available
where possible to reduce the amount of cash carried as its very rare
for one fuel card to be accepted everywhere.
If you do enough groundwork prior to departure and pay particular
attention to the routing, it is possible to avoid at least some of
the mandatory handling airports of entry and in some
places even, conduct a short internal flight to pick up
sensibly priced fuel and accomodation via local flying clubs.
As per my earlier suggestion. Without a valid reason to actually
make the trip an adventure. Then crating it would be the far
superior option for this aircraft.
PS, if it is flown, make sure the aircraft is correclty disinfected prior to
arrival in Auz and dont disembark without having proof of what was used.

[Arcturas]

I imagine Gazza01 is quite befuddled by now with all the options being suggested but as Debiassi so kindly noted, the journey eastwards is a lot better now than has been reported here. We at G.A.S.E. knew about the horror stories coming from east bound pilots, especially in the Middle East and sub-continent, but we got together with many professionals here in Egypt and across the Middle East, Meditteranean countries and the sub/continent/SE Asia to create a network of agencies all willing to help us to help you, the long distance pilot, achieve your goal at a much reduced cost without any reduced services (except those that are added to an arrival that are otherwise not needed -64 seater crew bus for example). In Egypt we have managed to make flying here a joy, in comparison to what it used to be like, especially where handling fees are concerneed and our unique set up can also cut down on accomodation and hospitality costs. In most cases we can get a lot of charges waived due to our special relationship with local agencies and our extensive knowledge of the Egyptian CAA rules. Of course, I don't want to make it sound like a walk in the park; it is not the UK or Europe and the regulations are tight about flight levels and routings and documentation must be up to date, and carried on board. A transponder is a must.
Saying this, we have already helped a number of pilots reach the other side of the world with many more to come. Our different kind of set up allows a professional service, from professionals at a much reduced cost (G.A.S.E. itself doesn't charge for their services) and with special agreements in place with other agencies in the Midlle East, India, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines then we can also save you a load after you have left us. We do stay in touch with our pilots all the way along their route and with our world wide list of contacts will have someone along your route for help with any unforeseen circumstance or just a bed for the night.
You can check us out at
General Aviation Support Egypt (http://www.gasupportegypt.com)
We hope to hear from you soon
Eddie