For Sale, Airworthy EE Lightnings x3.. Buccaneers x3.. Hunters x4

[NutLoose]

Anyone feeling flush?, the South African based fleet is up for sale

See

Thunder City Aircraft Company - Historical Military Jets - GoIndustry DoveBid (http://www.go-dove.com/event-15794?lcid=en)


By Order of Thunder City Aircraft Company (PTY) Ltd Due to Cessation of Flight Operations
A Private Treaty Sale of Historical Military Jet Aircraft in an Airworthy Condition, Included English Electric Lightnings, Hawker Hunters and BAE Buccaneers.

Thunder City Aircraft Company owns the largest civilian-owned collection of former military jet aircraft in the world. These aircraft were used to perform in airshows and also be hired by the public for novelty flight including supersonic flights.

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Featuring:

3x English Electric Lightning's "Mk F6a" (x2) and "Mk T5b" (x1)
These 3 Lightnings are the only flying airworthy examples in the world today. The English Electric Lightning is a supersonic jet fighter of the cold war era. Equipped with 2 Rolls Royce "Avon 30201C" afterburning turbojets. Capable of Mark 2 (at 15 000ft) and a ceiling of 60,000ft+ and still holds a number of world climb-to-altitude records!
3x BAE Buccaneer's "S Mk 2b"
These 3 Buccaneers are the only flying airworthy examples in the world today. The BAE Buccaneer was a British low-level strike aircraft. Equipped with 2 Rolls Royce "Spey Mk 101" Turbofans. Max Speed 667mph (at 200ft), range 2,300mi and a ceiling of 40,000ft.
4x Hawker Hunter's (Various Mk's)
The Hawker Hunter was a subsonic British jet aircraft and operated as fighter-bomber and reconnaissance roles. Equipped with a single Rolls Royce "Avon 12201" turbine engine. Max Speed 715mph (at sea level) and ceiling of 50,000ft



Notice to purchasers:
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Inspection details: Viewing is Strictly By Appointment only contact John Taylor on +27 82 416 3883 or [email protected]
Payment type: Wire Transfer
Currency: South Africa Rand
Auctioneer: GoIndustry DoveBid S.A. (Pty) Ltd.

[green granite]

The question is can you take them for a test 'drive'. :E

[foldingwings]

Yes, test drives are on offer - I had a free 10-minuter in one of the Buccs in 2008 (it's a long story) - but not out of Thunder City sadly any more, so you will have to truck it somewhere first!

Foldie :(

[A2QFI]

I understand that Thunder City is no longer allowed to operate the aircraft and, reading between the lines, I think it may not be permitted for any buyer to fly them out

Perhaps the millionaire aviation enthusiast who owns the Red Bull collection, operating out of Salzburg, might buy one or two of them for static exhibition? The only ones that might fly again would be Hunters IMO.

[sitigeltfel]

Capable of Mark 2

Some say the Mk2A was the best.

[JEM60]

I'm not really sure why Mr. Red Bull would even contemplate buying [and shipping] a Lightning all the way from S.A. for static exhibition, let alone the suggested two. Not quite sure what he would gain by that. There are numerous Lightnings in the U.K. that he could probably buy much, much cheaper, but I don't think Dieter is interested in aged static Lightnings. [So glad I went to S.A. and saw them fly a few years ago. Nothing lasts forever!!!] I agree with you as regards the Hunters.

[A2QFI]

I did say one OR two. I take your point that it wouldn't do much for his collection but he has got enough money to buy one and think it is one F1 race's operating costs of his racing team!

[newt]

Just a shame I did not win the 166 million on the euro lottery or I know what I would be buying right now:ok:

[ex-fast-jets]

I didn't know you had such sentiments over a couple of second-hand Buccs!!

But their single engine performance is probably good enough for you!!

[jamesdevice]

for sale
three slightly used carrier capable air-to-air refueling tankers
Ideal for supporting F-35 or similar
Easy to fly, parts easy to find. Large pool of experienced pilots available

[NutLoose]

Do not forget there is a Frightning Tbird close to flying States side too, might be an opportunity if finances are there to add to the fleet.

[Phil_R]

I do hope that it will soon be possible to read about British military aircraft in something other than the past tense.

[Lightning Mate]

Capable of Mark 2 (at 15 000ft)


Mark....Mark....?

If you mean Mach, after Professor Ernst himself.....

Absolute load of b..:mad:..s

[timtrb]

If the MOD went for the Buccaneers, at least we would have something to fly off those new carriers! Landing might be a bit trickier

[BEagle]

I do hope that it will soon be possible to read about British military aircraft in something other than the past tense.

Not much hope of that, Phil_R. Once the ageing Vickers FunBus is retired, the only active British military aircraft left in the RAF will be the Hawk, a handful of corgi-carriers and brace of Islanders..... Everything else being either multi-national or 'murrkan.....:\

[jindabyne]

newt

Just a shame I did not win the 166 million on the euro lottery or I know what I would be buying right now

Well said - and who would you have as your navigator? :p

[L J R]

- and who would you have as your navigator?

...A fare paying passenger.

...100 KG of Fuel.

....an iPhone with a cool APP.

....Playmate of the Month.


Make your choice..They all have benefits.

[hurn]

If the MOD went for the Buccaneers, at least we would have something to fly off those new carriers!I think we've already got something. Certain folk have been flying a big jet around these parts in recent weeks that's wearing FAA colours and is rumoured to be carrier capable.

It's all a bit hush hush, but I'm led to believe it's called....now what was it....oh yes, the Sea Vixen. :}

[sitigeltfel]

Well said - and who would you have as your navigator? :p

Only short arses need apply :p

[BEagle]

Sounds like the plot for a new Wilbur Smith Novel 'Bomber Cowboys'?

An African dicator (let's call him Ebagum) is deposed after his palace is bombed by ancient aircrew flying a pair of Buccaneers, with another giving AAR support to a Lightning providing top cover - and some Hunters generally blowing $hit up?

Almost reminiscent of this (don't click if you don't like robust dialogue):

-p1NRLFso6Q

"This is an attack against Rhodesian dissidents!"

[pr00ne]

"This is an attack against Rhodesian dissidents!"

Hah!

That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah.

[millerscourt]

Some would say better than the present incumbent.

[hval]

@Pr00ne

That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah

Do you believe the current regime is better? From the apparent tone of your comment I must believe that you do. I really do hope I have misunderstood.

[Roland Pulfrew]

That was an attack in defence of an abhorrent, unjust, illegal apartheid regime that was an international pariah.


You mean the government of Robert Mugabe!!!! :hmm:

[pr00ne]

Roland Pulfrew,

Nope.

hval,

No. I consider Mugabe to be equally, if not more as abhorrent as the previous regime. The fact that he is a corrupt evil despot does not in any way justify or condone the actions or policies of the previous illegal, racist, elitist abhorrent Government.

[Roland Pulfrew]

Except of course that the current racist, elitist abhorrent Government is definitely more racist, more elitist and more abhorrent. But it's OK because they all have the vote now - as long as you aren't murdered for voting for the wrong party.

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Back on topic...

So, is the sale a direct result of the sad loss a year or so back? Did the company have their license taken away, or has it simply lapsed?

[BEagle]

Indeed Roly! The absurdity of NIBMAR and Wislon's attitude towards Southern Rhodesia was an utter scandal.

Once one of the richest nations in Africa, Southern Rhodesia has been ruined by stupid, anti-colonialist attitudes which encouraged greedy tribal despots to ruin the whole nation. Because bleeding heart liberal socialists :yuk: let them go ahead, worried more about how the world would view them, rather than whether the nation would ever see any benefit.

[pr00ne]

"Indeed Roly! The absurdity of NIBMAR and Wislon's attitude towards Southern Rhodesia was an utter scandal."


Oh come on! The utter scandal was the elitist white minority rule in a land that enabled a small white minority to grow enormously wealthy on tobacco cultivation whilst denying even the most basic democratic rights to the vast majority of the population merely because of the colour of their skin.

It has undoubtedly been ruined, that is so true, but it was the ludicrous UDI and racist policies that created the vacuum that allowed Mugabe to do what he has done.

[SASless]

Judging from the riots in London recently....perhaps it is time for the Black population there to overthrow White Rule in Blighty....dragging innocent citizens from a car and shooting them dead and all. Least ways that is the way it is being sold to masses! After all they have been kept from assimilating the culture by means of denying them employment, housing, education and probably the vote as well. Why else would there be such unrest in the ghettos?

[pr00ne]

SASless,


Drop your racist nonsense!

There's all colours and creeds out on the streets of London, not just black folk. Sorry to disappoint.

Oh, and from the initial reports on Thursday nights shooting, it seems the only people shooting people in cars are the Met Police!

[SASless]

Gosh Proone (I spelled yer name right but pprune here does not like that spelling for some reason...and I cannot edit my post to make it right).....I wuz standing up for the poor oppressed folk as you were....how does that make me racist? You accused Whites in Rhodesia of being racist...now me...are you the only non-racist in your view?

[BEagle]

The utter scandal was the elitist white minority rule in a land that enabled a small white minority to grow enormously wealthy on tobacco cultivation whilst denying even the most basic democratic rights to the vast majority of the population merely because of the colour of their skin.

Complete and utter liberal socialist cr@p - 'democratic rights' indeed! Southern Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Africa and everyone benefited until bleeding heart socialists poisoned the country with their utopian racist dogma.

[pr00ne]

BEagle,


Read your history and drop this pathetic defence of the indefencible.

"Everyone' benefited? Yeah right...

[jindabyne]

This must be one of the best and biggest thread-creeps for some time? Where art thou Newt?

[hval]

All,

Pr00ne does have a point. Every human has a right to democracy, irrespective of race, colour or creed.

Unfortunately I suspect Pr00ne has never been to Africa, where the country is full of greedy, mass murdering persons. Pr00ne, I lived and worked all over Africa, in small teams. I saw hell on earth. All of it caused by black Africans. Historically, black Africans have caused each other much harm, even worse than anything white Europeans ever did.

It was always obvious what Mugabe and his cronies were going to do. The previous white government did not kill the hundreds of thousands/ millions that Mugabe has. The whites did not destroy the economy of Rhodesia; but Mugabe has managed to destroy the economy of Zimbabwe. Mugabe, backed by Liberal British are responsible for incredible numbers of deaths and suffering.

[BEagle]

hval, how right you are. But such truths won't change the Utopian beliefs of champagne socialists.

The UK's shameful complicity in letting Mugabe and his thugs destroy Southern Rhodesia is an utter disgrace.

[jamesdevice]

"Every human has a right to democracy, irrespective of race, colour or creed."

Democracy is very much a European construct which never evolved anywhere else in the world. For most of teh globe the standard political system is a form of dictatorship, either on a local tribal scale, or on a national (racial) scale.
Individual "rights" didn't exist as a concept in most places: you were simply a cog in the wheel of the system. Democracy as a concept is alien to most parts of the world
All the white Rhodesians did was apply the existing tribal ruling systems to the benefit of the white tribes over the rest. Now you have Mugabe's boys doing the same for THEIR own benefit. However Mugabe & Co don't have the ability to make it work. They're too thick, too bigoted, and too opposed to the non-Mugabe supporting tribes

[t43562]

All the white Rhodesians did was apply the existing tribal ruling systems to the benefit of the white tribes over the rest. Now you have Mugabe's boys doing the same for THEIR own benefit. However Mugabe & Co don't have the ability to make it work. They're too thick, too bigoted, and too opposed to the non-Mugabe supporting tribesI think you are largely correct. If you think about it for a moment the "white tribe" were all people with an education and a cultural background of rather highly organised societies and it would have been hard for them not to be utterly dominant.

It would be hard for them not to want to control the situation in Zimbabwe until a few more people had adapted to modern life and by that I don't just mean education but all other practices which are a function of how your parents and family lived. You are only going to have dictators and peasants if you don't manage to build a big middle class.

There had to be a crossing point and it happened although probably much too early because the place wasn't ready to deal with a guy like Mugabe - not enough people living in towns (where opposition started), not enough people with an interest in stability.

My British history isn't all that great but I doubt this country sprang into existence fully formed. In fact I seem to remember that at one point only land owners could vote and before that were Kings and I think what's left out is that maybe Kings happen because people are generally poor and unorganised rather than the other way around. i.e. you can't have a democracy in a land of subsistence farmers.

Hence I think the white Rhodesians (of which I am the younger offspring) were rather like the Romans in Britain. Zimbabwe's legal system is based on Roman Dutch law - quite interesting how this virus gets transmitted to one bunch of barbarians who wise up and transmit it onwards.

The left believed Mugabe was good and for them to pretend now that they didn't is very two faced. The cry that Rhodesians were bad too seems particularly pathetic to me. Rhodesians did what they could with the situation including stopping the Ndebele from terrorising Mr Mugabe's Shona and I am going to choose to believe that because of them and their fight to delay Mugabe, there is still hope for my home.

Finally, thanks for posting the Green Leader link.

[NutLoose]

Ewan Whosearmy (http://www.pprune.org/members/13718-ewan-whosearmy)

Join Date: Mar 2000
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Posts: 389


Back on topic...

So, is the sale a direct result of the sad loss a year or so back? Did the company have their license taken away, or has it simply lapsed?

It did not help, brought up the spectre on no manual reversion, which is what the UK CAA has been preaching for many a year. Top that off with the recession and the writing was sadly on the wall.

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Thanks, Nutloose.

[millerscourt]

One can always rely on pr00ne to spew his left wing views at every opportunity.

He claims to be a Barrister yet makes a comment that the only people shooting people in cars are the Met Police.
One does not have to be shot at first before shooting back and as a loaded gun was found in the car one has to assume that the police were threatened and rightly responded.

[pr00ne]

millerscourt

You have very conveniently forgotten that I used the words 'seems' and 'initial reports."

Of COURSE I spew my left wing views at every opportunity, my politics is to the left and I therefore have left wing views, is that so hard to understand?

Yes, I do CLAIM to be a Barrister, and there are a good few of us who have some rather disturbing experiences with the 'assumptions' that armed police sometimes make, do you recall one certain Brazilian on the way to the Tube?

Assumptions where deadly force are involved are extremely dangerous.

[foldingwings]

Pr00ne

the 'assumptions' that armed police sometimes make


Glad you included 'sometimes' as preconceived ideas amongst defence lawyers and barristers are often the curse of the court room!

Foldie:ok:
JP of this parish!

[jamesdevice]

"one certain Brazilian on the way to the Tube?"

But as Napoleon said re Admiral Byng's execution: "pour encourager les autres

After that chap was shot there were no more bombings
Doesn't make what happened right, but it had the desired effect of scaring the the other side



Note - I am NOT suggesting in any way that he was involved in any kind of illegal activity. He was just the wrong bloke in the wrong place at the right time

[hval]

Pr00ne old chap,

I sometimes get the impression that you haven't seen the nastier side of life. The problem though is that as a barrister you generally should have done.

Do you believe that good people should have to put up with the goings on of bad people? Do you believe that the rights of bad people are more important, and supersede the rights of good people? Do you believe that it is alright to break the law and drive around with a loaded weapon when not allowed to do so? Do you believe that it is okay for people to riot, destroy infrastructure, houses, shops, steal, loot, mug, threaten and kill?

I am sincerely interested in what your replies might be, as every thing that you write would point to the fact that yes you do believe that bad has more rights than good.

[pr00ne]

hval,


What?

Well, let me try and make some sense of that post.

I can barely comprehend let alone believe in that ridiculous list of my potential beliefs.

Who are you to decide what or who is good or bad? What on earth do you mean by 'put up with' the goings on of bad people? I believe very strongly in social justice and in the wealthy powerful elite being brought to account. I also happen to believe in the criminal justice system and that means everyone has a right to a defence. I believe that anyone who is caught in possession of a firearm, if they are proven guilty, should go to prison. Possession for 'self defence' is no defence in my view. The only people who I would allow to carry firearms would be the armed forces and certain specialist Police teams. There is NO need for anyone else to carry the damn things.

I also believe very strongly that every person has a right to live out their life without the risk of the Police shooting them dead because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. John Charles de Menezes death was a needless tragedy compounded by senior folk rushing out totally inaccurate statements in the immediate aftermath such as he jumped the ticket barrier, he wore a thick coat and that he ran away. The poor bastard simply got on a tube and was held down and shot seven times in the head and once in the body. Someone should have gone to prison for that death, and I do NOT mean the officers who carried out the shooting. It was a crime but it was NOT murder.

As for the nasty side of life, I split my practice between activity in the City in both London and New York, and working with asylum seekers and young adults who were abused as children who need something to do or somewhere to go when the system kicks them out at 18. I also flew Tooms with a navigator behind me in my youth, so yes, I've seen several 'nasty' sides of life.

I'm a Barrister, how on earth can I possibly believe that bad has more rights than good? People have rights, 'good' and 'bad' don't, so I have to confess to not really knowing what the hell you are blathering on about.

I also respect the rule of law, the one true distinction of a genuine democracy. When your Government or ruling party or family is above the law, then you have NO democracy, which is one of many, but probably the most important, reasons why I am a Republican.

[L J R]

...so what is the asking price of those jets again..?

[hval]

Pr00ne,

My post must have been clear as you have answered it perfectly.

Why, in the United Kingdom do criminals have more rights than those who don't commit crimes? Why does crime pay in the United Kingdom? Why is there positive discrimination? I feel that the left have totally and utterly lost the plot. Everything points to the fact that the general, law abiding populous have less rights than those that commit crimes. Looking after the rights of criminals has gone too far; way too far.

Take the rioting. Why aren't the police able to stop them? Because the left have tied the arms of the police behind their backs. Have you ever tried to stop a riot? You can't do it without using physical force of some sort. Yet the police are told of for kettling even!

What I am about to write is a generalisation.

I am one of a dwindling number of working middle class. We, are the ones who pay the most to society. We pay more than the rich on tax , we pay to keep the unemployed and the immigrants in comfort. I don't mind paying benefits to the unemployed, but when long term unepmployed are able to afford holidays when I can't, when the unemployed can afford to go out and I can't, there is something seriously wrong. We pay to keep the unacceptably huge public sector in a job where they get to retire on nice pensions at a younger age than I, whilst having worked less hours than I and for having done very little. Don't tell me that the Public Secttor get paid less; they don't. That has been a fallacy for a number of years. We are paying for the mistakes of a completely corrupt labour govermnement that was previously in power, that along with a amoral banking sector have bankrupted this nation. Mind you, the Conservatives do not seem to be any better. Why are amoral politicians allowed to run ths country and we can't get rid of them? Why do we have such a large legal sector, where criminals nearly always come out on top? Why does my money go to pay for criminals to have holidays, or days out at Alton Towers?

Pr00ne, just as you believe that the House of Windsor are above the law, I would sat that most politicains, irrespective of country, are also above the law. You look at the US political system. It appears to me that the person with the most money wins, not the person who is going to do the best for the nation.

As for bankers... Don't get me started. May we shoot them all? I could go on, and feel we could have an interesting discussion for many, many hours. Did you know that the gap between the rich and the poor is now worse than during the Victorian era. At least the Victorian wealthy generally gave to society (libraries, parks, swimming pools, big buildings, villages, towns etc). It is very rare for any of todays extremely wealthy to do similar (there are exceptions; e.g. Bill gates, Hunter etc).

[A2QFI]

To continue the thread drift - I did not know that we have a Labour government. I also note that a group of residents in London who had assembled to protect their property and possessions were dispersed by the police in case they contributed to disorder!

[Wander00]

Do the last few posts (but one) qualify as the most illogical thread drift ever on pprune?

[Sand4Gold]

Wander00,

Totally sympathise - I come on to this Thread to see if there is any further news on why the Thunder City Aircraft Company collapsed - particularly interested to see what will happen to the Buccaneers?

What I get is, once again, pr00ne climbing on his soap box and calling people racist etc. What has all this to do with the origin of this particular thread?

For those who wish to engage with pr00ne, let me quote William G. McAdoo,

'It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument'

pr00ne,

The guys who set this site up anticipated people like you - take your dribble off to Jet Blast.

Again, you are a foolish person.

S4G

[hval]

A2QFI

I did not know that we have a Labour government

Totally and utterly correct. I wrote something else, edited it and it came out totally incorrect. Thank you for pointing it out, I shall go correct it, along with the spelling errors I noticed.

[foldingwings]

Ewan,

So, is the sale a direct result of the sad loss a year or so back? Did the company have their license taken away, or has it simply lapsed?

Nutloose,

It did not help, brought up the spectre on no manual reversion, which is what the UK CAA has been preaching for many a year. Top that off with the recession and the writing was sadly on the wall.

I am in routine contact with one of the Thunder City team and have it from the horse's mouth that the costs (Millions of Rand) of implementing the recommendations of the inquiry into the Lightning accident were so prohibitive that they had no option but to stop flying passengers. They did continue to fly the jets for themselves but it seems now that that is no longer an option.

Foldie:{

[foldingwings]

Pr00ne,

I also flew Tooms with a navigator behind me in my youth, so yes, I've seen several 'nasty' sides of life.

Forgive me but I do not get the connection!

Was it flying with a navigator?

Was it flying Tooms?

Was it being in Germany (I seem to recall that from a previous rant)?

It couldn't have been as a Recce puke!

And the Toom didn't have the legs to get across the IGB (had you needed to) so it wasn't because you might have had to fly over enemy territory!

Please enlighten us!

a:mad:ole!

Foldie:yuk:

[pr00ne]

foldingwings,


simple, I had to listen to him.


hval,

At the risk of contributing to the understandable unhappiness at enormous thread drift, criminals do NOT have more rights than their victims. Until they are convicted they are NOT criminals.
If you think that convicted criminals have afar better time than their victims can I suggest that you go next door, rape your neighbours wife, torch his car and THEN se who is better off after the subsequent court case, you or him.

[ex-fast-jets]

What started as a thread which might be of interest to some of those who are supposed to be members of this forum - "professionals who fly military machines, or backroom folk who assist" - (please excuse the precis) - it has become a thread which has drifted beyond the bounds of reason, and does little to enhance the credibility of this forum.

Please shut it down.

[fetcheveryone]

I totally agree :D

[jindabyne]

Likewise---------

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Better than shut it down, why not send the people who cannot remain on-topic to the naughty corner? Don't see why those of us who do want to discuss it can't do so because of the actions of others...

[Ewan Whosearmy]

Thanks, Foldie.

[ex-fast-jets]

No argument with Ewan - but if a naughty corner is available, then it should have been used a while ago.

So, shut this down, or inflict a worthwhile penalty on those who have drifted way off course!

[hval]

Use a naughty corner for those that go of thread and there will be no one left.

Foldingwings,

I haven't read the report, do you know what the recommendations are? Out of interest where have Thunder City been obtaining spares from?

If I could afford them I would have them all.

All
What reasons are given for not being allowed to fly aircraft such as the Lightning and Buccaneer in the UK?

[foldingwings]

hval,

I regret no, I have not seen the report but I am in regular contact with the pilot who owns Buccaneer XX896, he flew me in it in 2008 when I was last in Cape Town. It was he who gave me the gist of the company's response to it. It would, I believe, have left even these multi-millionaires in a sticky position with their bank managers if they had tried to incorporate the 'mandatories' even with out touching the 'desirables'. So it was a fait a complis!

Sad, eh!

As for spares, they were part owned/sponsored by Shell who I believe were underwriting the procurement of spares. When I was there, they had enough spares to keep them going but they were more 'ginger' with their Bucc landings than we ever were in the RAF (it was designed to be flown into the runway/deck without any flare), in order to conserve tyres for example! They had a sizeable hangar with a 'spares shop' and more than one engine available on the shelf for each type, which also included Pumas!

Certainly, they were a very professional outfit and operated as if they were a small squadron - they even had Friday Happy Hour to which they invited 120 Buccaneer aircrew who were in RSA for our 50th Anniversary reunion with our sister SAAF Bucc Sqn guys in 2008!

Latest from my mate on Facebook abt TC =

New toy. To supplement the infrequent jet flying, this Extra 300L is our new toy at Thunder City. What a great little machine.

Suggests that they might still be flying the jets!

Foldie:ok:

[hval]

Foldingwings,

Thank you for your reply.

I always intended to get a few flights in with Thunder city, but never got around to it. I never had the time when ever in Cape Town. I feel really sad about that.

I always had the impression that they were very professional, whilst at the same time allowing fun to happen. Unfortunately, these days I would require two buccaneers glued together for me to fit in.

Shame Shell were unwilling to "shell out". Oh dear. That was dreadful. I apologise.

[PFR]

For all you Lightning officianados.......

'Lightning -Cleared For The Run' - YouTube

[old-timer]

That looks fun - I'll buy 2 please :D

[Henry09]

So what is the price on these little beauties?

[Above The Clouds]

Did the Capetown lightnings and other aircraft ever get sold ?

[NutLoose]

One Bucc is flying again in SA, do not know if the others sold, sorry.

Look for the Lightning crash thread on here... It's an eye opener.

.

[Above The Clouds]

NutLoose

Read the final report in amazement, was wondering what happened to the remaining lightnings, hopefully not cut up.

[NutLoose]

View topic - What's happened to the Thunder City jets? (http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33775&sid=89dfed58e1a19114ae87ae65af94942e&start=50)

[777fly]

I saw a beautiful black Buccaneer flying eastbound along the coastline of False Bay, West Cape, South Africa yesterday (14/03/2014) at 12.00 hours UTC. Someone, somehow, is keeping some of the Thunder City jets airborne...

[NutLoose]

Cool, the Lightnings has been flying again too... It's about time we get a Bucc flying in the UK

[Wander00]

Keep them flying - will be there in 3 weeks. Hope to get some photos