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ISLANDERFLIER
5th Aug 2011, 07:59
Anyone knows if there is any regulation regarding keeping the baggage always (unless exceptions) with the passenger in international flights.
In the US, baggage gets sent ahead of the passenger without the passenger's knowledge even when you're doing an international trip with stopovers.



STN Ramp Rat
5th Aug 2011, 20:06
best not to talk about baggage security measures on a public thread

ISLANDERFLIER
5th Aug 2011, 21:39
So, there are no CFR for this?

The96er
5th Aug 2011, 23:08
As far as UK law goes, the bag must always travel with the passenger on every flight either domestically or internationally regardless of the aircraft registration. The only exception are what are known as 'Rush bags' where the bag can travel without the passenger as long as certain conditions have been met - usually extra x-ray screening.

best not to talk about baggage security measures on a public thread


The rules and regulations are well documented for people to view - there's no secrecy !! :rolleyes:

FlyingEagle21
5th Aug 2011, 23:31
As stated only 'rush' bags are permitted due to extra screening and identification by the owner before hand.

Lets say a 757 is filled up with 250 bags loose load and some are connection bags from another flight. Sometimes the connection pax for whatever reason are late or don't show. This happened often when I worked the ramp.

Procedure states we had to find the bags and remove them from the aircraft! The amount of times it ended up to be the first bag on the plane or just as you found it the passenger turned up!

750XL
6th Aug 2011, 00:09
We usually keep the transfer bags to one side until it has been confirmed that the passenger has boarded, then they can be loaded on the aircraft.

ISLANDERFLIER
6th Aug 2011, 00:41
Does anyone know where is regulated (what doc) that in international flights the suitcase should always travel in the same plane as the passenger?
Thanks

Woody42
6th Aug 2011, 09:35
DFT AAA regs apply to all UK flights, dom or international.

aergid
9th Aug 2011, 12:52
Although 100% PPBM (Passenger Profiling Baggage Management) is currently performed on all international flights, pursuant to the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) requirements, the FAA has not required PPBM on domestic flights except in periodic emergency
situations.


PPBM - Checked in Baggage has to travel on the same flight as the passenger who checked it in...

There is also a strong arguement been raised with 1 very simple question included:

A number of Terrorist groups have long practiced Suicide missions, so what difference does PPBM make?

Its a valid point which the FAA are contemplating....

BTW the quote is from an EPIC report into Baggage Security from a few years back, but the rules are still the same in the USA (As far as I am aware anyway)...

ISLANDERFLIER
10th Aug 2011, 09:23
Thank you very much.
That was very useful.
apparently it should be in ICAO annex 17.

The96er
10th Aug 2011, 18:13
BTW the quote is from an EPIC report into Baggage Security from a few years back, but the rules are still the same in the USA (As far as I am aware anyway)...

As regards to U.S procedures, it's my understanding that the bags must travel with their respective owner on all International flights, however, in the duties of my job here in the U.K, I've noticed that it's not uncommon for bags to travel unaccompanied in transit through the U.K en-route to another country with the passenger routed direct. Would seems the regulations are not enforced rigidly unlike here in the U.K.

Creasy
26th Aug 2011, 08:04
ISLANDERFLIER

answering your question look at

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:055:0001:0055:EN:PDF (http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2010:055:0001:0055:EN:PDF)

look at Par. 5

reconciliation.