Industry Placement

[crikeys]

Looking for infomation on Flying schools that lead to industry placement in Auz.
Research so far bring's up National Aerospace, Sharp Airlines, Australian airline cadets?

[morno]

Yeahhhh, good luck with that.

Why don't you go and search for your own job afterwards? Going to be better than Metro F/O time when you've got bugger all to start with.

morno

[crikeys]

I tend to agree, that its PIC time, not Co-Pilot, the airlines will be looking for, if they what ATPL licences on their decks.( Re the Senate Inquiry findings..)

[Howard Hughes]

Do you know the requirements for an ATPL crikeys?

I only know one person who has done the 'cadetship' and was offered a Metro command after finishing his F/O time.:ok:

My only concern is the cost!:eek:

[morno]

Agree Howard.

The thing that get's me, is people whinge so much about how much it costs to fly (and I won't lie, it is a lot more than it was 10 years ago), yet they mainly look around the capital city aerodromes.

Some of the cheapest and highest quality training can be found in regional centres.

morno

[crikeys]

Great news on your mate getting a command as he can now generate hours towards his ATPL. But as i see it, the co-pilot hours gained, unless they are ICUS, are worth only 100hrs out of 1500hrs.
My reference is CAR 5.172

[morno]

You cannot consider learning to fly regionally cheaper after you pay rent, food etc

Errr, don't you have to pay that regardless??

Or do you still live at home with mum and dad? :hmm:

[Howard Hughes]

5.172 Aeronautical experience: minimum requirements

(1) For the purposes of paragraph 5.165 (1) (f), a person’s aeronautical experience must consist of at least 1,500 hours of flight time that includes 750 hours as pilot of a registered aeroplane, or a recognised aeroplane.

(2) The 750 hours must include:

(a) any of the following:

(i) at least 250 hours of flight time as pilot in command;

(ii) at least 500 hours of flight time as pilot acting in command under supervision;

(iii) at least 250 hours of flight time, consisting of at least 70 hours of flight time as pilot in command and the balance as pilot acting in command under supervision; and

(b) at least 200 hours of cross‑country flight time; and

(c) at least 75 hours of instrument flight time; and

(d) at least 100 hours of flight time at night as pilot in command or as co‑pilot.

(3) For the purposes of paragraph (2) (b), the cross‑country flight time must include at least 100 hours as pilot in command or pilot acting in command under supervision.

(4) The balance of the 1,500 hours of flight time must consist of any 1 or more of the following:

(a) not more than 750 hours of flight time as pilot of a registered aeroplane, or a recognised aeroplane;

(b) not more than 750 hours of recognised flight time as pilot of:

(i) a powered aircraft; or

(ii) a glider (other than a hang glider);

(c) not more than 200 hours of flight time as a flight engineer or a flight navigator calculated in accordance with subregulation 5.173 (7) and the balance of the flight time under paragraph (a) or (b).


Source: Comlaw.gov.au

The absolute minimum PIC hours for the issue of an ATPL is 70 hours, which you should have after obtaining your CPL!:eek:

[maverick22]

Great news on your mate getting a command as he can now generate hours towards his ATPL. But as i see it, the co-pilot hours gained, unless they are ICUS, are worth only 100hrs out of 1500hrs.
My reference is CAR 5.172

Ahem...

To hold a command an ATPL would be required. I think you have misunderstood the regs. The minumum for ATPL is 1500 hrs of which there must be 100 PIC, 150 ICUS with balance made up of dual and copilot (and the other req's for night, I.F. and x-country embedded in there). The copilot time must be halved too in accordance with the regs:ok:

[maverick22]

HH you beat me to it. I stand corrected, the regs must have changed again, now only 70 hrs PIC!!

[crikeys]

Thanks for your replies.
The question is, would industry placement get you the extra 180hrs ICUS being an F/O or are these right hand seat hours treated as Co-pilot hours divided by 2?

[Howard Hughes]

Right hand seat hours are divided by 2, so it is a long road. :ok:

[VH-XXX]

You cannot consider learning to fly regionally cheaper after you pay rent, food etc

If you were truly committed, you would sleep in a tent in a caravan park.

[eocvictim]

Unless you live on the door step of an "inner city" airport why not just commute to an out of town airport? It'll more than likely be a similar commute either way. Drive up on monday do 2 or 3 days training, come home, work at a servo, socialise, consolidate your training and head back up the following Monday...

There is a big wide world outside of the box.

[Capt Fathom]

Rondair. Ever heard of sharing expenses.

If you're going to rent an flat on your own, and pay the expenses solo, it won't be cheap. But most students are resourceful.

It's good practise.... for when you get your first job! If you're up to it! :uhoh:

[morno]

Rondair, still not seeing your logic. I've seen many do it.

What's wrong with getting a part time job to pay the rent?

I'm sure if you worked out how much it still costs you to pay for fuel, tolls, etc., living regionally would not cost much more, if at all.

I work out that 6 months rent at $200 a week (generous, especially sharing) is $5,200. You can save more than that in the flight training.

morno

[Cessna 180]

G'day Ron,

You strike me as quite an entertaining young fella, often have a bit of a chuckle when reading your posts, especially the one about the G1's and mush etc, but I digress.
However, why is it that you incinuate that life only exists in big cities?
I have found that all towns big or small have pubs, cafe's, clothes shops and supermakets so you can buy food there, and not bring it with you from the city.
Life is what you make it and people will treat you how you treat them.

I did my ppl and cpl at country airports, with no landing fees and not much traffic and then we just buzzed into City for the cta stuff.
When it comes to instrument rating you are better off near a major so you are closer to an ils.

[canthelpit]

Ron you are hillarious

I remember back in my day there was always someone like you on every airstrip!
Gold man totaly gold

LET ME REPEAT

HERE WE GO