SAS har meddelat oss att man tisdagen den 14 juni kl 18 kommer att lägga ut info om anställningar på SAS hemsida www.sasgroup.net.
Förutom de piloter som sades upp under 2009, åligger det den enskilde piloten att själv ta kontakt med SAS.

Postet nå:

http://www.sasgroup.net/SASGROUP_CAREERS/CMSForeignContent/CareerPool_Vacancies.asp

De linker til www.sasflightops.com (http://www.sasflightops.com) for betingelser og vilkår. Noen som klarer å åpne denne, evt vet hva noe mer hva det går på? For alle oss som er utenfor systemet...

Inital CRM - Tenker de da på CRM undervisningen man fikk i forbindelse med MCC kurset, eller er dette et eget opplegg?

It might not be the biggest office in the company, but it's got the best view - and we're now hiring more pilots to occupy this and other offices at 33.000 feet! Yes, we are hiring pilots to our bases in Oslo, Stockholm and Copenhagen! Read more and apply here: SAS Group SAS Group - New SAS pilots (http://sas.easycruit.com/vacancy/487054/13087?iso=gb)

"digital copy of criminal record"

****, looks like they are only hiring criminals this time :(

Hvad med piloter der blev fyret tilbage i 2003 (ca.)? De hører vil også med som "former SAS pilots"....

Det kunne være interessant at vide hvor mange der søger i forhold til antallet af ledige stillinger... og hvor mange timer (og hvilken slags timer) man skal have for at komme i betragtning som non-former SAS...

Held og lykke til alle der har lyst til at prøve!

All information regarding requirement and the process of recruiting can you find here: http://www.flysas.com/en/unconnected_pages/SAS-Pilot/SAS-Pilot/

Good luck to you all :)

Jet Mister

http://www.flysas.com/en/unconnected_pages/SAS-Pilot/?NSSEXC=true

Does anyone know how many people they are to recruit? what type of prior experience do you think will be prefered? Is there any reason for any hope among us young low-timers? :8

Does anyone know if RekryC in Stockholm still will be the place where they will conduct some of the tests? and have they ditched that bloody DMT-analysis yet?

As far as I know, they did not use rekryC for screening, maybe along time ago. But from what I've been told when I did my psychometric evaluation with Interpersona, they were responsible for the screening.

And yes, they use the DMT, and no, it's not bloody, it was a fun experience actually!:)

The number circulating is around 70 this year. That could well be filled with former SAS-pilot wanting to return. I think the number that left in 2009 was around 90, although around 40 of them were over 60 and involved in the dispute regarding the legality of ending their employments at the time. They lost in the first instance in both Sweden and Norway and I haven't heard anything about they appealing the verdict so they are most likely not returning. The remaining 50 were hired by various airlines including Norwegian, City Airline and some middle-east companies. As previously posted on this forum around 70 were re-hired earlier this year so not too many from 2009 can be left to re-hire now. In 2003 around 300 pilots were let go, but they have no legal right to return to the same pay grade and seniority and of the ones that left back them most would be captains by now and thus a co-pilot position on year one at SAS might not be interesting for them.

Regarding T&C rumor is that Regional Commuter might be considered again. That would mean a salary starting at around 30,000 SEK(co-pilot) + per diem and at year 8 around 60,000 (Captain) SEK + per diem. I don't know if that is going to be the case, but I guess everything will be sorted out fairly soon.

Taking a look at the annual report there is a chance to predict upcoming recruitment. The fact that SAS are now recruiting again should mean that they can't increase working hours any more among crew. So any increase in traffic and retirements of crew means hiring crew. In a press release from last year, SAS says they will increase traffic by some 25% during 2011-2014. Increasing the number of pilots with a little bit less, say 20%, will result in some 260 new hires over four years. At the same time retirements start to pick upp. From the annual report:

2011 - 10
2012 - 10
2013 - 20
2014 - 30
2015 - 75
2016 - 95
2017 - 95
2018 - 110
2019 - 90
2020 - 105

With an increase in traffic 2011-2014 the number to hire during these years should be some 70-80 per year and from 2015 the retirements are really picking up so the recruitment should even increase from now on. Another aspect is training. A lot of new pilots mean a lot of trainers not flying which haven't been the case lately.

Anyway, good news for everyone and good luck to all!

So what should you do if you've been through the DMT before and know alot about it? Do you tell them? I can't imagine the test being very accurate if the person being tested knows the "secrets", or think he knows. Even if that person tried to just do the test without thinking about it, the results would be corrupted imo.

I did the tests in 1997. No DMT!

"So what should you do if you've been through the DMT before and know alot about it? Do you tell them? I can't imagine the test being very accurate if the person being tested knows the "secrets", or think he knows. Even if that person tried to just do the test without thinking about it, the results would be corrupted imo."

I don't know any secrets. We never discussed my answers to the test.
The test is set up like this:

You look into some kind of binocular looking thingy. And they will "flash" you a picture. The first time the picture was showed so fast that I could not make up anything of it(we are talking exosures of maybe 1/3 second. After some flashes I think they increased the exposure time and I was now asked to draw on a piece of paper what I saw, and what feeling I was getting from the picture(I remember a family photo of some kind. Mother,father and kid). This was repeated with the same picture maybe 20times, then suddenly something small changed in the picture, suddenly, the man was holding a knife in his hand and had a deamon like face.

This is all I remember of it.

To be a bit more clear: A simple internet search for DMT would yield information that if known by someone, would affect that person's test scores. That could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing. My question is if anyone know how the recruiters would handle someone that knows what the test is all about, if he told them.

Var i kontakt med personen som godkjenner og utsteder politiattester i Oslo. Hun sa at det ikke ville bli utstedt noen attest før ved ansettelse. Hun hadde fått inn mange søknader fra søkere til SAS, hvor alle ble avvist. :ugh:

Og det synes jeg er helt korrekt. Hvis politiet skal utstede politiattester til hver nordmann som skal søke pilot-jobb i SAS så blir det ufattelig mye unødvendig arbeid for dem. De har allerede nok å gjøre! Der jeg bor tar det opp til 1 måned å få politiattest.

I tillegg synes jeg det er litt merkelig at SAS krever dette ved søknad om jobb. For å være litt mer presis i språket så mener jeg egentlig at det er helt unødvendig og nesten latterlig og lite gjennomtenkt.

De vet jo godt at man må ha politiattest både for å være innehaver av et JAR-FCL sertifikat og for å f.eks få ID-kort til flyplassene. Er det slik at de tror flesteparten av søkerne deres er kriminelle?

Det er jo bare å gjennomføre intervju uten politiattest, og dersom kandidaten får jobben kan han jo bare skaffe seg dette i etterkant.. og hvis de da ikke er fornøyd eller om kandidaten ikke kvalifiserer en gang til å kunne jobbe for dem lovlig, så er jo saken grei..

What's the deal ? ?


EDIT: Det ser ut som de har tatt det ut fra kravene til selve søknaden. Da har de vel kanskje innsett at dette er praktisk talt umulig. Det står likevel under andre krav, men da krever de sikkert ikke det før etter søknadsprosessen.

I Danmark tager det vel 10 minutter at få en politiattest... No big deal.

Alt er dyrt og vanskelig i Norge ;-)

Alt er dyrt og vanskelig i Norge ;-)

ha, ha, ha

Alt er dyrt og vanskelig i Norge ;-)
:= Damerna brukar iaf betala taxin, annat är det i Stockholm :=

Linmar: Tks for info regarding pensions - didn't catch that from the annual report myself, but very interesting numbers also for us already employed by SAS...!

But regarding payscales: Whatever payscale that will be used; there will be no difference for new pilots if they start on a CRJ900, 737 or an Airbus. Only difference is that RC stop at 8(?) years, but as you promote to other AC types there are no loss for your lifetime salary either. Just for info...

SK

SK-Pilot:
The numbers are in a table on page 8 of the 2010 annual report. Also expected retirements of cabin crew can be found in the same table. For pilots the total retirements til 2020 is around 650. I don't know what percentage of the pilots in SAS that are captains but anyhow in 2020 all pilots now in SAS should either have been upgraded already or just about to.

New pilots joining today would probably look at around 8-10 years til command given that the number of pilots stay constant around 1350-1400. Increase/decrease in traffic obviously will affect that time. There are no numbers regarding 2020-2025 but given the increase of retirements from 2016-2020 it looks like SAS will have retired most of their current pilots in 2025.

From what I've heard former SAS-pilots that left in 2003 are offered to re-join SAS with the same salarylevel as they had when they were let go. This would probably mean that more are interested to go back. So for the rest of us it's probably not likely there will be any new hires this year. If ALL of the former SAS-pilots want to go back that should probably cover the need for pilots during 2011 , 2012 and maybe some of 2013. Right in time for the next downturn of world economy maybe. :E

Anyway, as far as I understand SAS are lacking around 100 pilots today. This year only a few will be needed to cover retirements, but then again around 60 would be required to maintain the traffic increase. Next year the same so a quite optimistic number would be 240-250 pilots for the next 18 months.

SK-pilot, thanks for info regarding salaries. I understand that a few years ago 7(?) years of lower salary was negotiated in the collective agreement but also that these years are now removed or will be removed once SAS start recruiting. Can you shed some light on this?

Exciting weeks ahead now. This will at least stir up some rotation of crew around Scandiland.

minimumunstick: Helt riktig, når man slenger inn søknaden trenger man ikke uploade police records, man får bare et spørsmål om det...


"A review of your criminal record is required, before employment in SAS. Will you be able to bring your criminal record to the interview session ?: Yes/No"

For somebody who is not really updated on the current salary level and payscale in SAS, could someone please enlighten me.

I used to fly for SAS, and I have filled out the application for former pilots, but I don´t know what salary to expect if I join again!
I know it is less than I earn now, so I want to start thinking about how much less and if it is really worth it for me. So many variables.

Besides salary, how much pension do they get? For me, I am most interested in the danish conditions, but I am sure others wants to know about Stockholm and Oslo as well.

Anybody know?

And what would be the pay deal for New Pilots, or is it all regulated the same by the union? Any difference between the bases towards salary package and pension?

Hmm, back to the old application closing date for "new pilots", 01. June 2012.

jøss.. skulle tro de hadde fått nok søknader på disse 2 ukene :p

Mulig jeg misforstår noe, men mener jeg leste at søknadsfristen var 28 juni 2011. Men nå står det 1 juni 2012...

Either way, er det noen som har hørt noe? Eller som vet hvor de er i løypa?

Er der nogen der har hørt noget endnu, udover eks-SAS ansatte selvfølgelig?

Eller nogen der ved hvad deres planer er?

Etter hva jeg har hørt fra en som nettopp ble tilbudt stilling igjen (former sas pilot), så er de snart i bånn av listen av gamle ansatte, for han var en av de nederste.. han fikk CRJ.. så neste runde begynner de trolig på new pilots...

I still have colleagues in my present company that were fired from SAS back in 03. They are in contact with SAS, but have yet to be invited back. I recon (without knowing for sure) that its gonna be a while before "new" applicants are getting a look in....

All positions this year should be filled with former pilots.

I got this e-mail today, so I guess no vacancies yet for not former SAS pilots yet.:(

Dear SAS Pilot applicant

It has been some time since we opened the possibility for pilots to register an application in our on-line application system. We are very pleased that we have received your application, and it is now registered in our pilot application database.
All applications are being reviewed by our recruitment staff, and categorized in relation to qualifications to facilitate selection of the required pilot profil at any given time.
If our staff finds that not all requirements are fulfilled in your application, you will be notified by email - giving you a chance to update the application as relevant.

It is possible for you to update your application by email, but since changes are entered manually we kindly ask you only to forward any absolute essential changes to your current application.

We are presently hiring former SAS pilots and as soon as we need new pilots we will send out information directly to selected pilot applicants with an invitation to participate in the recruitment process.

All other information will normally be given via our web site www.sasgroup.net or direct link: SAS Pilot News


You are always welcome to contact us if you have any questions regarding our recruitment process.

Best Regards

Team Pilot Recruitment

Ja, har modtaget samme mail.

Har hørt at der vil gå 8-10 måneder før de skal bruge flere. Men ved ikke hvor nøjagtige de oplysninger er...

Det vet neppe SAS heller... :ok:

All positions this year should be filled with former pilots.

If this means, don't have false illusions, don't worry. I never had any.

I have always been treated unfairly in this business, and this will not change until I retire or until I get fired.

The good jobs have always been, and will always be, unaccessible, no matter how qualified I am.

Hahahahahahahaha

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

:=

Try Google Translate: "Tudekiks"...

I thought that the ruins of SAS is going to be sold to China. :}

...rygterne på linien, er at der ca 2.400 der har søgt stillingerne som pilot hos SAS.

Er vel like mange som DY har i databasen det. Får bare håpe det blir lettere å få jobb i SAS :rolleyes:

What about the SAS pilots WHO went to wideroe a while ago when wideroe took over "westlink"? Have they been offered to go back to sas? Or did they lose the right to be rehired when they went to wideroe?

All positions filled now... Possible new re-recruitment soon though. Still plenty former SAS pilots waiting for an offer...

Any idea (number) how many former SAS pilots still waiting for an offer to go back??

Thanks

No idea. A guess would be between 50 & 100...

Now it looks like less than 20 former SAS pilots (who are willing to return) are waiting...:ok:

do they hire male cabin crew? thank u

do they hire male cabin crew? thank u

Yes they do.