View Full Version : Minimum wage up - pilot wage stays
Officially first officer single engine(is there such a thing) is now below minimum wage - captain single engine just $50 a week above... Minimum wage has been increased with CPI but no suchchanges to pilot award (as yet).
I know this takes time to update just putting it out there - as of today they are officially under minimum wage ... Awesome
Ejector
3rd Jun 2011, 05:36
So does that make you a criminal to go to work and work below it?:ok:
Mr. Hat
3rd Jun 2011, 07:37
Get on the phone to your union.
Charliethewonderdog
3rd Jun 2011, 09:19
finally the race to bottom is finished.....:D:D
assasin8
3rd Jun 2011, 09:47
Ah yes, the race to the bottom has ended, based on Australian terms and conditions, but the rocket scientists have a diabolical plan! Continue the downward spiral by basing pilots overseas, on foreign terms and conditions, where "Fair Work Australia" doesn't exist... So much for getting rid of Work Choices!:ouch:
Mr. Hat
3rd Jun 2011, 11:01
Thats right assasin, they're not happy with rock bottom they want more. What many on here don't realise is that this will get very real when friends family are being flown around by a completely different calibre of pilot. The Australian population has been on a good deal for a long time... its coming to an end.
aileron_69
4th Jun 2011, 04:11
Na you guys are missing the big picture. All Qantas is doing is being more family friendly. After realising that a huge number of kiwis come to Australia to get flying jobs, they have thought "lets take the jobs to the kiwis" this way they can still ive in New Zealand with their families, eat Fush and Chups, wear Jandels, drink DB Draught that has been kept cool in Chulli Buns and not fill up valuable space needed in Australia for Asylum seekers. You should be thanking Qantas for staving off the influx of kiwi pilots to a degree!! :E
ramble on
4th Jun 2011, 07:34
Australia and the cost of living -
you will need a little more than award or you might have to get used to the taste of cat/dog food.
In Melbourne, even with its collapsing infrastructure, you will still have to pay 3/4 million dollars for an asbestos sh!tbox near MB.....
If you do a return transit journey on the tollway from MB to MEL airport in your car you'll fork out about $27 in tolls.
And just today I saw a $7.00 prepacked ham cheese and tomato sandwich in a normal run of the mill food hall. I was so stunned I had to take a photo of it.
I remember travelling with my dad across the nullabor years ago and he went ape over 40c for a coke. Now I know how he felt.
Me, I personally I start by boycotting coles - keep the bustards honest - can I say that?
Minimum what??
I'm on $300 before tax for a 7 day week, but that's ok says the boss man, because I get free accomodation at the office. Of course ask for a day off for any reason and the response is "tut tut mate, you know we never close". :ugh:
More stupid you then qjb - you do have options !!
I was pointing out that even our award is now officially under the governments set "minimum" wage - if you "choose" to work for less than even that bullsh!t attempt at a wage then more stupid you... But we all know where this thread is going to head now - not that I thought it would go anywhere else given the current career choices...
Two speed economy here - another recession around the corner - not going to be getting any better in a hurry.
Stop whinging, you/we are only glorified computer operators...after all said.
Button pushers!
PyroTek
5th Jun 2011, 11:06
Stop whinging, you/we are only glorified computer operators...after all said.
Button pushers! There are no computers on the aeroplanes I fly. Open your eyes!:ugh:
Track5milefinal
5th Jun 2011, 11:14
Stop whinging, you/we are only glorified computer operators...after all said.
Button pushers!
Despite advances in technology and the degradation of the industry, the profession still requires extreme attention to detail, sound technical knowledge, and good judgement!!
Having the discipline to thoroughly review a maintenance logbook for MELs after six legs and three aircraft swaps warrants a high degree of professionalism!! :E
I love ozzie GA. :mad:
Better off working overseas :)
I am soon to finish at a GA company after a number of years. During that time I have not paid for any training/upgrades and was allowed a number of free aircraft hours per year to maintain my own standards. I negotiated a pay scale far above the award for my services, because I believe they are worth more than the award.
I am moving into an airline job where the training is paid for, I will again be earning well above the award. I applied for this job for these reasons amongst others.
I have declined interviews with operators that require self-funded training. Others have called me mad for doing so.
In this industry, you must set your own minimums and stick to them. This goes for operating an aircraft and accepting salary and conditions. No one will force you to work for the award, or even less than. It is your choice.
Remember, aviation is not a race. If someone you trained with gets a gig on a big machine before you, big deal. If you have to wait 6-12 months for a job that pays properly, big deal. Value yourself, don't work for less than the award, and don't pay for training.
Aviation is not as bad as some on this board make it out to be.
Pyrotech.....12000+ hrs and 35 yrs baby sitting snotty nose kids, believe me i have my eyes open! Its a bl**dy hard road to the top in aviation. Stop whinging and get on with it ! :mad:
Pa39 - I think you pushed his button - lol nice fishing...
Lawrie Cox
16th Jun 2011, 06:06
To clarify, wages under the Air Pilots Award are not below the current minimum wage. Fair Work Australia handed down its 2011 Annual Wage Review decision on 3 June 2011.
The decision delivers a 3.4% increase to modern award wages, including the Air Pilots Award, effective from the first pay period on or after 1 July 2011.
The AFAP continues to encourage pilots to pursue better wages and conditions of employment through enterprise agreement making. Contact the Federation if you need more information. We know its not perfect but 1 It is the structure under legislation; 2 Whilst you keep fighting amongst yourselves the boss keeps getting away with it.
aileron_69
16th Jun 2011, 07:55
Well put Lawrie, pilots are like a bunch of beauty queens they bitch so much :E
Backfire
17th Jun 2011, 15:01
Well put strim... this is the reality people, why are we in the position we are? because we (as a whole) put ourselves there! We will never have a strong base to fight for our rights while we continue to undercut and backstab each other.
Hands up everyone who has had someone try to undermine their position, I personally have had at least 6 - 8 people over the years offer to do my job for less money than me, and on 2 occasions they have offered to work for free (must be nice to have mummy and daddy pay for your living expenses, and give you a little pocket money on the side, sweetie! Sorry... i'm so cynical)
If you are looking for a solution to this situation do as strim says and value yourself, be patient... and don't ever accept below award conditions, if enough of us do it the employers will have to accept it.
aileron_69, good call, re: the majors.
Vincent Chase
22nd Oct 2013, 00:56
I'm guessing tiger moth world? Tell him to get f*cked like the majority of people who have ever come across him have done.
pilotchute
22nd Oct 2013, 04:55
Could also be a certain operator out of EN who used to sell second hand cars I believe.
I got fed up with Aussie GA too. The final straw was moving to the other side of the country for a job to be told one week in that,
"we have hired a few too many people so sorry but we have to let you go".
This was the absolute final straw after a string of broken promises from other operators regarding progression and pay.
I now live overseas in a country where the company employing the expat pilot is responsible for all my expenses. Even food when I'm on duty.
I rent my own place because the company housing is a long way from the city. There is nothing wrong with it but I would rather pay the extra to live closer to where I want. My expenses claims are rarely questioned and as much as flying here can be much more stressful, my remuneration and quality of life is much higher than at home.
I can fly to Japan for a weeks skiing and it costs less than what it did for me to drive to Bulla for a weekend of ice skating oh I mean "snow skiing".
The amount of people who say they would never come here and work must be far outnumbered by the ones who will as we get literally dozens of CV's a week from rather experienced people right down to the 250 hour wannabee. You would be surprised how many of them already have what appears to be a decent job. So the question is why are so many working pilots so keen to come here?
Do you think it may have something to do with the rapidly declining conditions at home?
poonpossum
8th Nov 2013, 09:56
I took a plane there once to try out for my first job and that :mad:er declared that breaks are for 'emergencies only' and then proceeded to tail strike MY plane on his grass runway, in favour of breaking. "Don't worry," he said, "it's only grass."
My advice:
- Stay well away unless you want to kill yourself.
- If you can't afford basic wages for your staff, then you can't afford to operate.
Howard Hughes
8th Nov 2013, 22:48
I'm intrigued, where are you working pilotchute?
PS: I already have a good job! ;)
deadcut
9th Nov 2013, 00:14
Why is afap allowing this bloke to post the job? When he clearly rips off the rookies.
Homesick-Angel
10th Nov 2013, 08:41
It's a long road to get to the top of the sheister pile. From my info, TMW gets pretty close. Well done you Sir's/Madam's.
Stay well clear...
And its true. Rip off merchants galore in GA in this country. But why? because in GA it is not easy for operators to make a buck, they are not looked after very well by the regulator, and costs are generally very prohibitive. (and of course just like any industry, a few are crooks.)
And as much as Id like to stand proud and say us pilots are a straight bunch, there are more than a few out there who have taken companies for a ride to get this or that endo or rating, and just buggered off.
The sheister knife cuts both ways.
Pilotchute..Im on my way.. Where are you again?
Andy_RR
11th Nov 2013, 02:31
The problem with Australia is not how much you get paid, it's how much you need to shell out to survive. Already for many industries aside from GA, Australia's labour rates are woefully uncompetitive. It's only a matter of how long before there aren't any (productive sector) jobs left.
Capt Fathom
24th Nov 2013, 09:20
I guess that is the problem with paying for a job!
Everyone is a thief!