Royal Flying Corps Tie colours from around WW1

[500N]

Question for those who may know re Royal Flying Corps Tie colours from around WW1.

My grand father had a tie which I was told was a Royal Flying Corps Tie from around WW1 - or made after the WW but in the same colours.

It was dark navy blue with 2 thin lines spaced (I think) about 3/4 of an inch apart. One was a thin red line, the other yellow. I will try to find if our family still owns it then I can get a picture.

If anyone can confirm this, it would be appreciated.

Thanks

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[labrador pup]

Hi 500N. Your tie doesn't sound like the one described here Royal Flying Corps Tie (http://www.militarytiesandbadges.com/royal-flying-corps-tie-215-p.asp) and on other websites.

[500N]

Thank for that.

From what research I have done, I had seen that tie and that is what made me
put up the post so thank you for your input.

I think I'll ask my parents for more information as well as find out the exact history of service or if any medals exist.

[mikip]

Could it be 1st batallion Glosters like this Glosters 1st Battalion Tie (silk) () - Soldiers of Gloucestershire (http://www.glosters.org.uk/Gloucestershire_Regiment_Items/Other_Items/Glosters_1st_Battalion_Tie_%28silk%29/28/508)

[500N]

mikip

From memory, that is almost identical - maybe the red line is the same width as the yellow line but very similar.

Thank for that.

[Icare9]

Don't forget that the RFC was part of the British Army and didn't become a separate Service until the formation of the RAF (1st April 1918, if anyone doesn't know!).

However, it may be more likely that he may have actually been serving in the Gloucestershire Regiment BEFORE being transferred to the RFC, and it's been intertwined in family legend over the years.....

Have you tried looking on the National Archive website for Medal Index Cards in his Name? There'll no doubt be a few hits, but if you find one with Gloucestershire Regt, chances are that'll be his! There may be Royal Aero Club records of him gaining a pilots licence, too.

If you aren't very proficient at looking up on Ancestry or at Kew, then post up his details, plus parents names, his Date of Birth, where born, lived etc and no doubt the team of whizzes here will be able to help!

[500N]

Icare9

Thanks for that, much appreciated. Will do.

I'll check with my mother first to see if she can remember much of her father's WW1 Record. I know in WWII he wasn't allowed to join up as he was an Engineer and had to build or repair bridges.

[November4]

The National Archives allows you to search and download RAF Officers (1918 - 1919) here (http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/browse-refine.asp?CatID=43&searchType=browserefine&pagenumber=1&query=*&queryType=1).

General advice and what records to search is here (http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/officerroyalflyingcorps.htm?WT.lp=rg-3123)

[Pom Pax]

I followed November4's link and much to my surprise promptly got my Father's R.A.F. record. Now I need a little guidance, I've downloaded his record but he said he was in the R.F.C. so what do I look for next to find R.F.C. records.
He appears to be at C.D.D. on 22-4-18.
Transfers to 10TTW 25-7-18 and onto 5 S of A (169) 14-10-18.
No. 5 School of Aeronautics (Denham), what was 10 TTW? Was it at Hastings? He was there.
Transferred to Class G R.A.F. Reserve 12-1-19.
Medical board "Fit as Pilot" 6-6-18.
ps What was C.D.D.?

[teeteringhead]

The RAF Club Tie is based on the RFC tie. When genuine RFC veterans became thin on the ground, their association apparently allowed the RAF Club (of which many RFC were members) to use a variation of the RFC tie as their own.

Can't find an online image of the Club tie, but those who know it will recognise the similarity......

Edited to add:

Have just checked the wardrobe in the dressing room of Teetering Towers - Club tie very similar except stripes slope in opposite direction. Which - to give ammunition to our dark blue and brown colleagues - is of course the heraldic bend sinister, often thought to denote bastardy .......;)

[denhamjosh18]

No. 5 School of Aeronautics (Denham)


oooo, does anybody know where it was in Denham, because I was wondering if it could be our ATC squadron becuase thats been there a longgg time :ok:

[MPN11]

.... worth a thousand words ;)

http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm468/atco5473/PPRuNe%20ATC/P1020270.jpg

RFC tie can be found here [scroll down]... Royal Air Force - RAF Ties (http://www.mycollectors.co.uk/content/ties/ties-RAF.aspx)

:cool:

[November4]

Glad the links were helpful Pom Pax

According to mickdavis on the Great War Forum (http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=136929)

5 School of Military Aeronautics* : 1.8.1917 formed : 8.9.1917 Denham Golf Course, Denham, Buckinghamshire

and LowNslow on the same forum

The schools were the second step in aircrew training. After the initial six weeks (later much shorter) of 'square bashing' etc at Uxbridge or similar, the School of Military Aeronautics (I think there was also one at Reading) provided the instruction into principles of flight, airframes and engines.

Once successfully passed out of the School, it was then off to Flying School.

LowNslow also posted this photo of men outside a hut at Denham

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?&app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=114472

[denhamjosh18]

5 School of Military Aeronautics* : 1.8.1917 formed : 8.9.1917 Denham Golf Course, Denham, Buckinghamshire



oh thats the Martin Baker factory i think then, not the squadron :(