Anybody read yesterday's MX? [Archive]

jieunni

25th May 2011, 05:25

Train Annoucement:
Ladies and gentleman, this service is six minutes behind schedule because the train in front of us is a stops-all-stations. The only way past would be to fly over it but if I was called a pilot, I'd probably be making another 100 grand a year.

Given the public perception battle that is going on, it would seem that Qantas is well in front.

:sad:

Trojan1981

25th May 2011, 05:32

True! When I left cityrail and went flying I dropped about $40k from my salary :uhoh:

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 05:58

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 07:46

Almost anywhere!

Gosh, my sister worked at the Dulux factory over 10 years ago and the factory hands and forklift drivers were earning $68k and were calling in the union about a pay rise.

My olds were in Kunna and came across a guy who had a forklift ticket and was living in a tent earning near 6 figures, but that's Kunna. Jobs in the city definitely pay more than regionals too.

What is the average salary these days?

Arnold E

25th May 2011, 10:17

You can earn $80k+ base (+ overtime) driving a forklift in a factory.

You can earn $80k+ base (+ overtime) driving a 5 tonne delivery truck.

What can you do?

Don't become a pilot if you want to make big bucks!

I would also like to know where these jobs are, give me the names of some companys that pay this much money for that type of job. You always here of these sorts of jobs, but they seem to evaporate when you want one.:cool:

Howard Hughes

25th May 2011, 10:58

It's only been in the last couple of years that I have made more money being a pilot than in my many 'unskilled' jobs, when I drove trucks I made $70k per annum and that was in 1993!:eek:

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 11:00

I already gave you one well known company.

How about a diesel mechanic for a well known hire company. $4,000 per week gross. Heard about someone who got that one last week.

There are plenty of jobs out there and whilst pilot wages decrease or remain static, the rest of the jobs in the country continually increase.

Pretty soon the average wage will overtake the J* FO wage :ugh:

The average wage in Australia is now $64,641.

State Average Annual Wage
Australian Capital Territory $75,514
Western Australia $70,101
New South Wales $65,863
Queensland $63,840
Victoria $62,847
Northern Territory $61,870
South Australia $59,176
Tasmania $55,255

(My guess is the mining boom is boosting the WA figures)

MikeTangoEcho

25th May 2011, 11:01

Same as how you 'can' make $80k flying planes.. It's just a lot more difficult

Arnold E

25th May 2011, 11:05

So a delivery truck driver gets paid $16000 more than the national average, RUBBISH :rolleyes::rolleyes:

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 11:20

We just recently employed someone at my work whom left a job driving a 5 tonne delivery truck on $80k + overtime.

Times are a changing..... if you work hard, you get paid well, seemingly unless you are a pilot.

Arnold E

25th May 2011, 11:48

Well that must include engineers, you said earlier about a diesel mechanic on $4000/pw, so that's > $200k a year. Now I am very close to a 5 cat LAME working for an airline that doesn't get any where near that.

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 12:06

Blame all of this on the cut-price airline trade!

Arnold E

25th May 2011, 12:21

What I am saying is that these big pay packets for relativly unskilled work are urban
myth, ask to see the group certificate before you believe those wages.

PA39

25th May 2011, 12:39

I employ forkies and 8tonne drivers and i assure you they dont receive that sort of renumeration !:confused:

rmcdonal

25th May 2011, 13:20

Just had a look at the 'Rail Industry Award 2010' and I would suggest based on an Operational Level 6 Driver of an 8,000Tonne they are on $835.70 per Week. + Allowances. http://www.airc.gov.au/awardmod/awards/rail.pdf
So about the same as an FO on a regional when you add all the allowances. an extra $100k would put a driver on par with a Captain of Narrow body.

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 13:53

I dunno Arnold, maybe they pay more in Vic versus South Australia. Times are changing and people get paid a lot of money these days for doing crap jobs and doing crap at those jobs.

It sounds like you don't want to believe!

Pack your RV and head to Victoria where the gases is obviously greener or head to the rigs where they pay $250k for a cook and $350k for an electrician.

JustJoinedToSearch

25th May 2011, 14:14

Yes but rmcdonal you are doing something that many in aviation are guilty of.

The award is the bare legal minimum, not something to aspire to.

It takes the melbourne metro operator 72 weeks to train their drivers. There are no train driver 'sausage factories' pumping out hundreds of legally qualified ones a year.

They get paid well above the award. The figures stated before are accurate, about 85k base but most getting near 100k with overtime.

Add 100k to that =200k, now how many (non QF) pilots in aus earn that?

Andy_RR

25th May 2011, 21:53

Wow! The ACT is full of high achievers...! :yuk:

VH-XXX

25th May 2011, 23:13

Wow! The ACT is full of high achievers...!

The reality is that they have to pay people more in the ACT because nobody wants to live there.

Ex FSO GRIFFO

26th May 2011, 00:07

And........

For most 'Pollies' the only (convenient) way in / out, is by.......aircraft!

So.....organise thru your unions to NOT carry them until you get a decent set of 'T/C's....awarded Federally.

Cheers:ok:

jieunni

26th May 2011, 02:24

Wow! The ACT is full of high achievers...! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/pukey.gif

I would say that it is probably because of all the defence force officers, public servants, diplomats (maybe), politicians, justices etc

BEACH KING

26th May 2011, 02:55

You can earn $80k+ base (+ overtime) driving a forklift in a factory.

You can earn $80k+ base (+ overtime) driving a 5 tonne delivery truck.

What can you do?

Don't become a pilot if you want to make big bucks!

Dunno about that XXX. Those figures would be the exception rather than the rule, and would include Superannuation.
Maybe highly unionized semi-government workplaces like the Wharf or train drivers, or mining industries might get that sort of money for these low skilled jobs.

You know some of the stuff that I am involved with, and Road train truck drivers don't get much more than 80K (well over the award & camping in the truck and away from home sometimes 5 days). The guy in the yard on the forklift sure as hell don't get nowhere near 80k.

Average wage of $63k works out at $31/hr!. I don't know many people who earn that, and spend every night home.

I have a lot of mates who work in the mining and gas industries. These guys are away for 3-5 weeks at a time working 12 hour SHIFTS. They bring home 100-150k, and believe me, earn every cents. Take off 34% for tax, and it's hard work for hard money.

Fred Gassit

26th May 2011, 03:15

Quite right, I've yet to meet the mythical 100k cleaner too. The one or two I know in FIFO are around 55-60k.

patienceboy

26th May 2011, 06:59

Did anyone ask the train driver why he isn't a pilot then?

DK08

26th May 2011, 08:02

sounds pretty nice to me. can anyone confirm/deny?

i got a family friend thats a train driver. makes way more than a pilot would! especially a GA one.

Maybe its only the senior of most senior airline pilots this guys thinking of.

KRviator

26th May 2011, 11:43

Did anyone ask the train driver why he isn't a pilot then? I dunno about the one you're referring to, but this train driver is...

Driving the Hunter Valley coal trains, I grossed $95,000, with a bit of overtime. Now I'm driving iron ore trains in the Pilbara and earning a touch under $150,000, 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off. Residential employees get more. A lot more...

Howard Hughes

26th May 2011, 12:19

But you still spend your time looking skyward!;)

Andy_RR

26th May 2011, 20:37

The reality is that they have to pay people more in the ACT because nobody wants to live there.

There always seems to be enough politician types who fight amongst themselves for a job there!

My view is that it's easier to pay employees more with other peoples money...

Jabawocky

26th May 2011, 21:44

Overpaid underachievers!

Speaking of which I better get going to work:O

BEACH KING

26th May 2011, 22:25

My view is that it's easier to pay employees more with other peoples money..
:D Ain't that the truth

ramble on

27th May 2011, 00:37

MX is one of the best papers in the world.......

for lighting fires and painting projects.

A handful of them through town always, but never opened.

Why, because the reporting is petty, tied up with petty bitchiness & gossip - which seems to be the way of the future for our once great country.

KRviator

27th May 2011, 00:59

But you still spend your time looking skyward!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wink2.gif Only until I get my RV flying...

Cessna 180

27th May 2011, 01:44

Have noticed that people not working in a given industry tend to believe that people that do are always earning more than the ones in it actually are. (grass is greener syndrome)

Have come to learn there is no easy way to make big bucks. Have met a few cleaners etc at mine sites and yes they make a bit more than in town, but no where near 100k and they work night/day and are away from home 2 weeks at a time.

As for road transport I can gross between 1500 and 2000 a week for b-double or road train work, but as someone else pointed out will be working 12 +hrs/ day often at night and away for long periods of time. Good money, but hard work.
Also a bit of experience is required to get these jobs, eg start on small rigid and work your way up.

The reason this pays well is because it is hard work and not many people want to do it any more because school teachers encourage folks to go to uni and get an office type job.

If transport companies had people walk in everyday asking for work the pay would probably be less too, similar to flying.

So I guess all we need is less people wanting to be pilots and the pay will go up! Haha

Arnold E

27th May 2011, 12:54

Only until I get my RV flying...

Now I'm interested, what sort of RV is that??

Ejector

28th May 2011, 10:06

You quote Aust average wages, I don't believe it.

So how come I a RPT Turbine IFR Capitan is below min wage.

bankrunner

29th May 2011, 22:17

I would say that it is probably because of all the defence force officers, public servants, diplomats (maybe), politicians, justices etc

Yep, mainly the public servants. Excellent starting pay ($57k is not bad for in some cases a very first job), but it's a bit like communism: An engineer and a receptionist get the same money. If you're in a skilled job you can hit the ceiling pretty fast if you don't fancy the idea of going into full time management.

The politicans don't live in Canberra, they just come and go (along with their various hangers-on) in business class seats on QF at your expense :ok:

VH-XXX

30th May 2011, 01:19

You quote Aust average wages, I don't believe it.

So how come I a RPT Turbine IFR Capitan is below min wage.

Do you mean "average" or "minimum" wage? (for the RPT Turbine question)

It's easy for any job to be below "average" wage as there are a lot of high paying jobs out there boosting up the averages, but if it's below minimum wage (award) that's a different story.

I was recently told that Taxi drivers in Victoria because they work as sole contractors and the Government allows it, they are actually working for as low as $8 an hour.... and you thought your wage was low!