Asic & spl application speed up

[SPL-101]

Hey Everyone.

Just a quick question. I've done about 11 hours and Im reaching the point of going solo. However I only sent off my SPL application today and as Im 18 I need a security clearance/ASIC, which I sent off today aswell. Now I can't go solo for at least a month because thats how long CASA takes. So I was wondering if their is anything I can do to get them to speed it up. Can I pay an extra fee for quicker service or something?

Thanks

[Bic4Pen]

Go and join the RAAus and go solo in a 3-axis ultralight (Jabiru or Gazelle or Foxbat or similar).

The Command hours count, and no need for the stupid ID card :ugh: :yuk:

[havick]

welcome to the world of aviation.. Pull up a deck chair and get a good book to read to pass the time, a pre-requisite for the rest of your career.

**It took CASA well over 6 months to issue my helicopter multi engine training approval last year (as an instrument) add on to my instructor rating, even with all monies paid, paperwork in order etc upon initial application.

[Crakanuthrtinny]

Agree with Cynical & Havick,
Your School should have pulled their finger out. We have had a few students lately transferring across to us for various reasons and have found the exact same thing. :ugh: One of the first things we do with a student is start their paperwork, or else they will be in the same boat as you. The only thing I can suggest for you is.....:zzz: :ok:

[T28D]

Get smart take Bic's advice, newer aircraft, less bureacracy ,nicer people, a lot less rip off merchants

[PyroTek]

I remember my first lesson involved SPL and ASIC application forms and also recommendation to do my Medical as well.

[SPL-101]

Hey Guys

I was sure there was no way to speed it up, because there was no mention of it on there site, but I thought I might ask here anyway. However another concern for me now, is that from reading your replies Im getting the feeling that CASA is going to take longer than the one month that they say it takes.
As for the school, Im training at Whitworth Aviation but I don't think its there fault because I didn't research about the ASIC. I should have got this done when I was getting my medical done. However on there site it says the SPL is issued by the CFI free of charge (http://www.whitworthaviation.com.au/).:ugh:
Thanks anyways for the quick responses.

Happy Landings

[Nil details]

It shouldn't take longer than a month, CASA have gotten the art of wasting everyone's time as much as possible without technically breaking their rules down pretty well. :D

On the other hand, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade are able to print off a passport within a couple of business days, that's right...booklet, microchip and those funny things that change picture when you wave them all included!

[YPJT]

If you haven't put your ASIC in, do it though Aviation ID Australia rather than CASA Good advice but be cautious. I know of occasions where student paperwork was sent of to the numbnuts at CLARC along with a certified copy of the individuals ASIC only to have it returned weeks later because an application for an ASIC wasn't included :ugh:

[Clearedtoreenter]

I don't understand these bureaucrats. If they want to serve this industry, they would not treat people this way. Let's face it they just don't care. They seem to see their role as discouraging people and think that by making things as difficult as possible and taking a view that they are doing us all a big favour anyway, they are doing their job. Each of these things is another nail in the coffin of this industry and what they just don't get is that if they put many more nails in there wont be an industry - and then they won't be requred!:ok::ugh:

[SPL-101]

Cynacal Pilot I sent it off yesterday morning via express post so casa should have it today. Its the 5th today so Im expecting it on the 5th of June. Can't go solo until then, & ill probably be the first pilot to go solo in 20+ hours.:rolleyes: My instructor said the only thing restricting me from going solo is the SPL. :ugh:

Take Care

[PyroTek]

Going solo past 20 hours isn't necessarily a bad thing. There is plenty more of the syllabus you can work through that will assist in getting your GFPT.

[havick]

SPL101... I wouldn't worry.. I went solo on my 16th birthday with circa 40hrs back in 1999. There's plenty more syllabus to crack on with in the meantime..

If you have to wait you may as well use the time constructively.

[Ando1Bar]

If you want to keep moving through the training, there is nothing to stop you moving on to the more 'advanced' lessons and then come back to solo circuits. You'll be back out in the training area but could always ask to do a couple of dual circuits when you return. You'll need to do an additional 3 hours solo (usually practising advanced sequences) after your 2 hours solo in the circuit, so don't do any lessons that will require re-flying down the track. Your instructor should be able to let you know which lessons are suitable, but you could think about (depending on how the school structures their syllabus) forced landings, instrument flying, crosswind circuits, precautionary search and landings, steep turns and advanced stalls. Your general flying will only improve.

Don't worry about how many hours it took to go solo. It only matters if you have a pissing contest at the bar on a Friday. You'll be anywhere between 10-15 hours by the time you're 'ready' - who cares if you get up to 25 hours doing further flying while you wait for your paperwork.

[SPL-101]

Ando1bar, my instructor did mention to me that well have to just continue on with their syllabus and then come back to the solo hours. However I will have an in depth chat with him at my next lesson about what we'll do next, to make sure we don't do any flying that Im supposed to do solo. Other than that, everything seems all good, the lessons like you said will improve my general flying so might as well go ahead with the syllabus. Thanks for all the advice guys.

Take Care

[morno]

to make sure we don't do any flying that Im supposed to do solo

Errrr that isn't possible. How are you going to cover "solo stuff" when you're dual, :confused:. Solo stuff, all it involves really is either belting around doing as many circuits as you can in 2hrs, or as many scenic runs through the training area that you can do in 3hrs. It's not really "lesson" stuff as such. So you're instructor isn't going to cover stuff which you do when you're solo.

morno

[Ando1Bar]

If you're doing as many scenic runs through the training area as possible in 3 hours, there is either something wrong with your motivation as a pilot to improve your skills or your school's syllabus is rubbish. I don't think that's what you literally meant, but to clarify my earlier comment:

Depending on the flying school, the sequence of training events around area solo can look something like this:

Forced landings 1 - dual
Steep turns 1 - dual
Forced landings 2 - dual, but a check to see if the student is suitable for solo
Forced landings - solo
Steep turns 2 - dual, another solo check
Steep turns - solo

My point to 101 is there is no use doing all four dual lessons above (using that syllabus as an example), then go back to the circuit for solo, if you are required to re-do the pre-solo checks in 4-6 weeks to confirm you are suitable for solo practice. Most schools wouldn't be comfortable with a 20-odd hour pilot having a six week break between their training area solo check and their actual area solo flight.

[Victor India]

SPL,

Sorry someone is going to need to fill me in on the rules. I haven't found anywhere where it specifies a different requirement if you're in command (ie solo) or dual.

What rule is your school worried about breaching by letting you fly solo without one, that they haven't already breached whilst letting you fly dual (from Bankstown)?

In the real world (not suggesting this is the law) - if you can access to your aircraft (ie through your school's hangar or similar), you're sorted.

Operating the aircraft without one is the easy bit - what if you flew from your school at a non-security designated country airfield, to do touch and gos at Bankstown, the return to your country airfield. Do any rules stop that occurring without an ASIC?

VI

[Horatio Leafblower]

Victor India

You can't fly as Pilot in Command without a Pilot Licence - CAR 5.03

May a person perform a duty essential to the operation of an aircraft without a licence?

A person may perform a duty essential to the operation of an Australian aircraft during flight time without holding a flight crew licence, a special pilot licence or a certificate of validation if:

(a) the person:

(i) is accompanied by an authorised flight instructor; and

(ii) is receiving flying training; or

(b) the person is attempting a flight test for the purpose of qualifying for a flight crew licence; or

(c) the person is being assessed by a chief flying instructor for the purpose of enabling the instructor to make a determination under subregulation 5.83 (2).

Any Pilot Licence or C of V needs a current Medical to make it "real".

[Victor India]

Horatio,

Thanks for the reply, but aren't we talking about ASIC?

VI

Edit: ok, I re-read SPL's first post. So he's waiting for the SPL AND the ASIC. If he had an SPL, would the lack of ASIC stop his solo? He could be 'escorted' to the aircraft by his proud ASIC wearing instructor...

[YPJT]

According to the CASA website, you only need to have submitted the application to be allowed to fly. As Bankstown does not require the wearing of ASICs I can't see where the problem lies apart from the fact that the SPL hasn't been issued yet.

[SPL-101]

Victor India, on the CASA site it say's that if your 18 or over, in order to be elgible for SPL you must first pass a security clearance check and obtain an ASIC. Sorry if I caused any confusion but what I meant in the previous post is that I was going to talk with my Instructor so that he doesn't do my Solo lessons dual with me, then when i get my SPL send me off for the solo's costing extra money for nothing.

YPJT Can you post a link to show where it actually says that? I would like to show it to my instructor.

Take Care

[T28D]

No RPT no need ASIC at all there is no legal compunction to hold an ASIC if you don't operate into a security controlled airfield with RPT traffic.

[bentleg]

As Bankstown does not require the wearing of ASICs I can't see where the problem lies


Really? ERSA says YSBK is a Security Controlled Airport (http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/publications/current/ersa/FAC_YSBK_10-Mar-2011.pdf)- which as I understand it means an ASIC is required. However like many other ports, I have never been required to produce mine at YSBK.

As far as the point raised by this thread is concerned, my understanding is you must have SPL before going solo - the reason being so the security checks have been done to ensure you are not likely to do a 9 11 type stunt when turned loose on your own. SPL not needed to fly dual. And I am not aware of any extra fee that will get priority.

[PyroTek]

I hear of people who call CASA and ask for them to process their CPL with haste because they have a job lined up. Apparently CASA are pretty good about this.

They may speed up your SPL application if you call and ask and give them good reason as to why (and show appreciation).

[orangeboy]

Hey SPL,

I was waiting for my SPL to arrive when i was due for my first solo. I went on to do a few training area dual flights until it arrived. the good thing is that you continue flying and get a few more hours under your belt before going solo. I'm glad it worked out that way as i was much more comfortable and confident doing my first solo with a few more hours under my belt. :)


I rang up CASA and the lady was really helpful - it turned out my medical hadn't been received yet since my doctor hadn't sent it! But once they got it, things happened quite quickly. :ok:

Cheers.

[SPL-101]

Hey Orangeboy

Yeah, im not too worried anymore about the application taking long. Like you said, it will allow me to get a few more hours of experience, which will give me a memorable first solo for all the good reasons. Anyway's when are you going to get back into the flying?

Take care

[T28D]

No RPT at Bankstown = no ASIC required, Jandakot same.

[bentleg]

No RPT at Bankstown = no ASIC required


Thank you. Had a look at CASA website (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90107)

NOTE: Some airports are classed as security controlled but do not have RPT operations. An ASIC is not required at these airports.

Learn something every day........

[Firemansam809]

The current SPL application requires you to either include an application for an ASIC, or have a certified copy of your current one....

From Form 497 - "Note: If you do not have a current ASIC/AVID, you MUST submit an ASIC or AVID application form attached to this application. "

[YPJT]

One of tHe reason the likes of BK, JT, MB, AF etc were classified as "security controlled" was to make the federal funding available for upgrading the airport security infrastructure. This was despite the fact they they do not have RPT services, except for Moorabbin.

As Bentleg pointed out, it is only those airports that have RPT services that you are required to display an ASIC. It should also be remembered that an ASIC only proves that you have been subjected to and given a security clearance. It bestows no rights at all regarding access airside. That is still the domain of the airport operator. I have seen some smart arses try and use the fact that they have an ASIC dangling around their neck to not comply with other security requirements.