Hello Everyone,

I am a Brazilian citizen current leaving in the US and have all my FAA certificates with about 2000TT doing traffic reporting and not a lot flying within the past 5 years.

How is the job market in Brazil today? Is it worth to relocate to fly bigger equipment or is it better to apply to some regional in the US?

Someone told me to do some JET TRAINER program to get back in the game again....is it worth?

I am in a middle of courier change from the office back to aviation....is it worth to move to Brazil???

Any feedback would be great!!!

Thanks,

It's definitely easier to get a job in Brazil now than was 5 years ago. CPL/ME-IR + 1000hs + basic English knowledge should be enough to get an interview with any Brazilian airline. Jet Trainer is a plus, but not a requirement. Check at the companies website for more information. TAM, Avianca and GOL offer the highest salaries (I think about 7k-8k R$). Azul, Webjet, Trip and Passaredo pay less money, but you may have a quicker career progression with them.

I don't know what the regionals in the US are offering so i can't tell you if it's worth moving to Brazil or not. Don't forget that you will need some time and money to convert your license in Brazil (if you hold a FAA license).

Cheers! :ok:

Hi GBV,

Thanks for the update...I hear a lot good things about Brazil in today's market. Do you have any idea what the flight schedulle is like in Brazil....how many days on and how many days off? How is the quality of life compare to US?

I would not base your decision on salary, no matter how better the Brazilian airlines pay compared to US regionals your QOL will be lower in Brazil. If you move here you will have a faster career into bigger planes, at some airlines you start straight on a B737, something that in the US is impossible. Aviation is not the same if you are used to the US, you will get a lot of headaches here..If you are like many US pilots and you still like to fly a c172 in the weekend, go for an 100$ hamburger (maybe 300$ with these gas prices) in the weekend, then I would stay in the US.

How much ME do you have? do you meet ATPL req? 135 req?
I dunno if I was living in the US and had 2000TT I would probably not move to Brazil, if I had 200TT then yes. With your times there is lots of company you can apply, many 135s out there too. If you don`t have much ME there are still places you may get hired, have you tried with Cape Air?

If I was you I would stay in the US, maybe a year ago with the bad times in the US aviation there would have been no question about going to Brazil...

I think having the jet training is really good, do it in Brazil, FLEX in Rio used to do it in an old fart from Varig, the 737-200. I think it`s shut down now it was kept running until the last 200 has been retired by the only company, from Venezuela, using the sim. Running they still have the B767 and the B737-300, this last one is always booked by VarigLog and Webjet. You can also do it on the B707 if you want, better turn on globo after they turn that thing on to see a nice explosion in the Ilha do Governador:}...anyway a company using the B727 FTD over there gets their new hire co-pilots some hours in the B707 as "jet training"...maybe they fit you in



they keep changing the prices, but take in consideration about 300 reais/hour for two pilots (you gotta find a buddy) plus something for the 12 hours ground school

Swiss,

I have 200+ ME today with ATL Written. I could apply to Cape...not so sure about IFR single pilot in snow/ice/low fog in ACK/MVY...looks like they are hiring like crazy here or even Colgan making 19k/year...but everyone here is complaining so my thinking process was maybe to go stay for a couple years getting jet experience than coming back to JET BLUE or SouthWest ....but I have family so it would be a big change for everyone.....what are your suggestions????

Colgan/Cape AIr/Commuter Airlines or some airline in Brazil flying A320 or 737?

I am looking to do the Jet Training at CAE in Sao Paulo - R$4200.00 for 28hrs of ground and 20hrs in the simulator.

I dunno if you follow the aviation news but Delta is retiring all the Saabs, if United does the same many Colgan pilots are gonna be screwed, and soon or later it`s gonna happen..who is gonna hire you then? Ibc Airways in Miami and getting paid even less then Colgan...In the US prop time unless it`s a dash 7 does not count much..if you wanna work for an airline like this then try to stay on jets.

Cape Air is an awesome company to work for, they have a really good training and they will never force you to do something unsafe..they just signed a contract in Germany to get a replacement for their old Cessnas, an Italian company is making a plane just for them...I would give it a try

Flight safety is looking really bad for SICs in their sims departments, I know it`s not really flying, but in 6-8 months you may land an awesome job and they will give you a type for free. I Have many friends that did that route, one is flying Brad Pitt now on a Falcon 900, an other is still in the program but delivers Gulfstreams to Brazil. The Sim center in Savannah works closely with Gulfstream and they always need ferry pilots...

Stay in the US if things get bad again in the next 1-2 years then move down here...

Is that for the A320 FTD? Seems a lot of money to me.

Where are you living in the US right now?

I would go to Brazil to get a type rating and jet hours. After a couple of years go back to US to try the majors.


How is the quality of life compare to US?

Simple: US belongs to the first world and Brazil to the 3rd.

You mentioned QOL.

In Sao Paulo it`s not cheap to have good standards, I see many pilots even with a good salary that have to live at the CECAP in Guarulhos because the traffic and other factors don`t allow them to make the schedule fit if they would live in a nicer area. CECAP is like a project for pilots. If you are based in Congonhas be ready to not have any sleep on days off between 0500 AM and 11 PM because of the noise of planes, but I have to say there are some pretty nice places there to live, Moema is a really nice neighborhood and due to proximity to the airport many peoples don`t wanna spend big $ to live there and rent can be pretty cheap for such a place. But do you wanna live in a place that has security like a jail having to look around every time you come back home at night?

Eating well, unless you are into having Arroz com feijão everyday or the usual 3-4 dishes they have at the PF restaurants it will be more expensive then in the US, quality stuff is expensive. Nice grocery stores (Marche,Pão de Açúcar,...) nothing like Whole Foods or Trader Joes, cost a fortune. I use to spend around 70-100 reais in groceries every 3-4 days at Marche, in Florida at Whole Foods I wold spend around 300-400 dollars a month for all organic stuff.

Owing a car is a govt steal, I had a Saab 9-3 and a Jeep Wrangler before I moved to Brazil, owing them cost me less then any cheaper car here (VW Gol, Fiesta,..), if you wanna drive something made with quality like a Civic (which is considered a rich peoples car here :eek:) be ready to spend at least twice then in the US, and 3-4 times as much in ownership costs....

Not all the pilots live in Sao Paulo or Rio, so I can`t say how it is for other bases.

@<hidden> 777 being a 3rd world country does not make QOL being bad, when I was in Indonesia I lived better then in the US. The problem is that the Brazilian govt steals you the money...

An other thing you have to consider is that if you go to Brazil, you will start at the same level has somebody with 200 hours, ANAC will not count your 2000 hours made in US towards the ATPL here...

@<hidden> 777 being a 3rd world country does not make QOL being bad, when I was in Indonesia I lived better then in the US. The problem is that the Brazilian govt steals you the money...



Do not want to start a sociological discussion but QOL in the 3 world usually, generally and normally is lower than in the first world. Anybody trying to say the opposite is a politician, a liar or has a strange perception of the reality. Crime, political unrest, corruption, social differences, diseases, kidnappings, lack of social protection and proper infrastructure (just to name a few) help to degrade the living standards in the 3 world. Brazil and some countries in Latin America have improved a lot in the last years but (unfortunately) are so distant from the USA. (And yes I have lived in South America, in Africa and US).

Do not want to start a sociological discussion but QOL in the 3 world usually, generally and normally is lower than in the first world. Anybody trying to say the opposite is a politician, a liar or has a strange perception of the reality. Crime, political unrest, corruption, social differences, diseases, kidnappings, lack of social protection and proper infrastructure (just to name a few) help to degrade the living standards in the 3 world. Brazil and some countries in Latin America have improved a lot in the last years but (unfortunately) are so distant from the USA. (And yes I have lived in South America, in Africa and US).

This kind of conversation we have to have on a bar drinking some beers. The cost of life in São Paulo is reaching stratospheric values, in fact. As mentioned by swiss, we pay a lot of taxes here, but, different from 1st world countries, the taxes are not enough because we also have to pay for health plan, school (if we want a good one), security (on our biuldings), etc. The prices of square meter in some locations are about R$ 15.000,00. If you go outside, near SP, you will find some nice places like Bragança, Atibaia, Sorocaba, etc, but the traffic from those locations to GRU or CGH, depending the hour of the day, is sureal...

It´s as simple as this. In Brazil you earn the same figures as in europe, but in reais.
When it comes to cost of life, it´s twice more expensive (considering both in the same currency and even if you consider 1EUR=2BRL)

My point? Here south of the equator you can save just 1\4 of what you could save up North...

It is a FTD... I leave in Boston....Cape air could be a very good option for me. They have expanded and pick up a lot of the Colgan/Commuter routes.

Chileno,

I go to Brazil with my family two times a year....It is a beautiful place and it has a lots to offer....but it is great for me for two weeks....i am not sure if it would be great for long period of time.

if i get my ATP certificate here can I convert it into a PLA in Brazil?

I think that`s a lot of money for an FTD, as far as logging it, we have the same value as a full motion sim, unless you are using this last one towards a Type rating, but the learning experience will be greater.

Boston? pretty nice place!

ANAC does not give you credit for your hours, they validated some of the ones I had but most pilots that come from the US they will have 0 hours on the ANAC system, I`m sure that there is a procedure to convert an ATPL, there is one to convert fro a PLA to an FAA ATPL....should work the other way around too.

With an ATPL you may be able to land some pretty good job flying an N registered plane, in Juiz de Fora MG they have a N registered Falcon looking for a co-pilot with FAA ATPL.

Swiss,

I am going to be in Rio next weekend for a few days. Where Can I get a medical card and which flight school would you recomend for me to convert my certificates to Brazil? Also, should I get my ATP here and convert all together or get my PLA ticket in Brazil?

You get the Medical at the CEMAL, on the Ilha do Governador near the Galeo airport, take any BUS to Ilha do Governador, or to Galeao and then a Taxi. if you go by car just go direction Ilha and look for a fighter jet on the top of an hill on the right side of the road. Show up at empty stomach before 0800AM, do the paperwork and pay (they don`t take credit cards!), after the blood test they will give you a complementary breakfast (pretty good!). The tests takes 2 days 0800AM - +/- 1500PM.

I`m not sure how the process is to get a PLA validation, I`m sure it won`t hurt to have an FAA ATPL anyway, as far as Brazilian PLA, now in order to get a type rating you need to have the written test done anyway.
get in touch with this guy he works for ANAC and is in charge of validations:
Tiago Ourique da Silva t i a g o . o u r i q u e @<hidden> a n a c . g o v . b r
he is a good guy!

Make sure if you studied in the US, that you take your transcripts and diploma (High School) to a Brazilian Consulate in Brazil (you can do this only in the US!!!), when you get to Brazil you need to translate everything use this guy: Ricardo Dimas r i c a r d o d i m a s @<hidden> o p e n l i n k . c o m . b r tell him Alex from Niteroi sent you. After this take the Diploma to the PUC, catholic university of Rio, walk all the way to the end of the Campus take a right across the river and the park, you will see a cafe slightly raised from the street, walk up the stairs and you will find an office that handles American studies, you have to do this only if your name on the US diploma is not your full Brazilian name (like first and last name only)..done?..NO now you gotta go to MEC on Rua da Ajuda No5 in the Centro, go to the 26 floor and start a process to get a Brazilian equivalency that you are required to have by ANAC.

Flight School: QNE Escola Padrão de Aviação Civil - Maricá / Rio de Janeiro | QNE Escola de Aviação - Formação prática de aviadores (http://www.qne.com.br/) ask to talk to João Erick

Thanks for the info...it looks like a lot running around already. I am going to start the process...thanks for the contacts....should you need anything here in the Northeast let me know.

Mistake: you gotta take the Diploma to a Brazilian consulate in the US...

Make sure you can afford to have time enough for the hole process, it can be quite disappointing specially, when things dont go as fast as you were used to. ANAC is much more bureocratic than FAA.
Good luck though!

Make sure you can afford to have time enough for the hole process, it can be quite disappointing specially, when things dont go as fast as you were used to. ANAC is much more bureocratic than FAA.
Good luck though!


It took me 4 months to convert mine! Funny that I came from Boston too! :ok::ok:

Soave,

Are you flying commercially in Brazil????

It took me 4 months to convert mine! Funny that I came from Boston too! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gifhttp://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

Why did it take so long? And what did you do step by step to perform the whole convert process?
I need to know excatly how things works there 'cos I am still willing to move in Brazil to work there in a couple of years.
I am already working on the naturalization process and the language won't be a problem ( My future wife is half italian/half carioca :ok: ).

Thank you in advance
Happy landings

Ciao Andrea, se leggi un po` i vari post o guardi un po` gli altri thread trovi tutte le risposte, ci sono 4-5 thread che parlano della conversione...

Hai un mp flyingswiss! :ok:

There is a lot of bureaucracy converting your license here in BR.

You will need to have all your brasilians docs up to date, as well as with military service too.

If you finished high school outside Brasil, you will need to have your diploma translated trough an "under oath translator" (juramentado) and then have it recognized by education department... that took me 2 months...

Go to ANAC and start the process.

Find a flight school to do the flying... no exact hours is required.

Then do the check ride with a military guy.

Patience is the key to it...:}:}



Soave,

Are you flying commercially in Brazil????


Yes, helicopters though.

this might be helpful

habilitacao.ursp@<hidden>

Good luck!!

Would a foreigner with low hours, be allowed to get work permit to fly in Brazil? Would like to know, as I have been contacted by someone offering a possibility of this.

I have some Brazilian friends telling me this would be impossible, it would be illegal, any information please?

Thanks

You should read the post.:)

Don't see any answer to my question in the thread!

I am not Brazilian, and received this strange proposal today. Any inputs please?

The answer to your question is no.

There have been dozens of threads on this subject and the answer is always the same under current regulations.

TTFN

So the pilots giving me this offer are BS?

I got email on this today.

BoeingDreamer,

Don´t trust on this mail, maybe is a Scan.

It´s not allowed foreings pilots work in brazil, but if you are contract as an INSTRUCTOR for only 6 MONTHS, still possible.

There are temporary exceptions, for example if you have a type rating that no Brazilian pilot has, you could be employed until a national is suitably qualified. That is most likely to happen in executive aviation or offshore helo work, if it's anything else then treat the offer with a great deal of caution.

TTFN