Skywest All Stations Calls on Centre

[Dog One]

Why do Skywest give all stations calls on the centre frequency when taxying in the Class D zone at Broome? Why block up the center frequency, depending on which frequencies linked, for a radius of up to 500 nm. If every operator did this taxying at Broome, the frequency would be in chaos! Is this requirement a CASA or AirServices requirement, or is it just to scare off the VFR traffice?

[Capn Bloggs]

Dog One, you're being a bit harsh there. As you are aware, VFR do not need to be even on the R/T in E, however they are encouraged to monitor the E frequency. The only way they are going to find out if they are going to get speared by a jet launching out of a Class D CTR is if they get told by the jet they are on the way before takeoff. The first call on Centre after takeoff doesn't cut it either: "Bla Bla Bla Climbing to FL340, DONDI at 35". Hardly enough info (or time) for Joe VFR at 6500ft flying past Broome to make any decisions about a confliction and then announcing.

So a broadcast on Centre during taxi is understandable. QF does it too sometimes. As for workload, the same taxi broadcast would have been made had the Tower not been there so I can't see why the Centre freq would become chaotic.

The fundamentalist NAStronauts, of course, will argue that TCAS will save the day. That's the TCAS in a non-radar environment that probably has never been checked (or is it on?).

All a result of the NAStronauts insisting on E over D.

Problem solvered when ADS-B is mandated for all aircraft soon. ;) No more broadcasts required.

Whilst on the subject, CASA hasn't caught up with a broadcast prior to entering E on descent either. We have to make one into G, so what's the diff with descending into E?

[slow n low]

Oh for F#*% sake, why worry? Try having 2 VHF(AM) 1 VHF(FM) 1 UHF and a HF all going all at once.. :eek:

Learn to ignore the rubbish and pick out important bits.

We are really becoming a soft bunch, are we not paid to use our brain power? :ugh:

[Waghi Warrior]

Ahh, safety Dog and avoiding the TCAS RAs.

If you want to walk with the big dogs, you gotta learn to piss in the long grass !!!!

I await the sarcastic remarks with pleasure ! That I won't answer.

Good work Skywest, VFR private pilots have NFI about the dramas that are caused by some clown in a 172 popping up in front of their windsreen on descent. I have seen it and it's ugly, VFR traffic with the transponder turned off in a high density traffic area not talking on the radio F/O ! Sense of humour failure and the swearing begins ! And yes I once was a VFR Cessna pilot and I knew how to use a radio and turn on a transponder !

[Jabawocky]

Bloggsie you fool....You were told there would be no problems with the E over D :rolleyes:......get with the game mate :E Dick and leadsled said so.

hehehe

J:ok:

PS Sounds like the Skywest folk have been thinking about how best to mitigate the risks.

[mcgrath50]

It is odd that on a climb you get a reduced level of services before getting a higher level again...

[bentleg]

It is odd that on a climb you get a reduced level of services before getting a higher level again...


Happens at Camden too - D to 2000, then G to 4500, then C

[mcgrath50]

What ever happened to the lovely wedding cake we were taught about in GFPT? :ok:

[Going Nowhere]

Ever seen what a wedding cake looks like after 100's of people have had their hands on it? :E

[Capn Bloggs]

Ever seen what a wedding cake looks like after 100's of people have had their hands on it?
Hundred's?? We wish! Unfortunately, only ONE person has his hands on this wedding cake, making it taste very sour! :yuk:

PS: With ledsled picking up the crumbs...:}

You were told there would be no problems with the E over D
I'm glad I have big ears; easy to put my fingers in until I reach the safety of the full-cream cake level at 245! :{ Oh, hang on, I won't hear anything then will I? :{:=

[lk978]

Following SOP's is something that should be done even if it does not seem logical to some, if you do it by the book no one can throw said book at you in the future.

To many pilots try and re invent the the wheel, check lists, SOP's, radio calls ect.

Skywest guys and girls I have come across seem to know what they are doing and all seem to show great airmanship going into ctaf's ect.... I am still happy we both have TCAS when passing each other though

[sled_driver71]

Dog One

Might be time to invest in further training to help you look outside the very small box your SA is in?:ugh:

[Jabawocky]

Just realised they should also do a 126.7 and 123.45 as they are the most appropriate frequencies out in the bush :E

[Capn Bloggs]

Naughty Jabba! := Have you been drinking?! :}

[Transition Layer]

Most QF crews will also make the same call taxiing at Karratha (as well as Broome). Makes sense to me, and takes a total of about 10 seconds of airwave time.

Bring on ADSB for everyone and get rid of Class D and E altogether!

[Jabawocky]

Bloggs....hehehe

No....that was clear rational thought. Around some parts I can assure you that you will collect more ears on the radio there! Scary init:eek:

[vee tail]

Lets not forget that a jet climbs at anything from 4 miles a minute to 6 or 7 miles a minute so Joe the ringer or Stefan the green apple atleast know some one is around

[Mr. Hat]

What does the book say to do?

[Jabawocky]

The book was written long before some folk came along and moved the goal posts.

Now you have to improvise.

See where it works in the USA they have radar to augment the information loop. No such thing up there in WA.

[Stuffed]

IT was common with Macair when operating on the milkrun between Isa-Birdsville-Bris as well. Ansett did it as well when they ran the ALice-Tennant-Katherine-darwin run.

Situation awareness.. I fly a Jab160 @ 86knts.. about 8 min from the 10 mile call till I'm over the airfield. It's nice to know what's coming in my direction when I'm still on decent from 5000' outside the 10mile limit..

I've noticed that Skywest tend to do a very high rate decent / climbs into and out of most aerodromes so that awareness of both our postions becomes even more important. (understand the reasoning so not a hit at skywest).

[Xcel]

Why do they do it?

Cause it's a requirement at ports without VHF on the ground so has been standardized by some pilots to do it all...

If you make a call on hf you are required to make the same call on area as well... These guys would of been doing this prior to the change to class d last November and it's stuck now. The line between sop's and not eventually gets blurred if they all do it and forget which places it is actually required to do so...

I could also see some guys argueing the point that if it assists in the safety of their aircraft then stuff the rules they're doing it regardless... Which is fine IMO

[Capn Bloggs]

Xcel, you're off on a tangent. We're talking about BME and KTA; both ports have good area-VHF coverage with Centre on the ground. The report on HF and complimentary broadcast on VHF were/are not "required" at those ports.

[Awol57]

I can understand it from the Pilot's perspective. I can only alert the crew of known traffic (IFR or VFR) if they are talking to me. They should be below 5500' within the CTA steps but there is no guarantee. Once I transfer them to Centre, ML can only advise them if the VFR is talking to them. There is no surveillance (except ADSB) up here so there is no other option than some sort of call at some point on the centre frequency. It might be better if it was D or C above but still no surveillance.

I think it was mentioned earlier but Qantas do it as well. Not sure about VB or Alliance.

[gutso-blundo]

Broome's a problem for the whole TCAS separation idea as there isn't anybody or equipment on the airport capable of testing if the XPNDR is even working...
I know of at least one near miss between a 210 and an E-jet right near the boundary. Neither knew about the other until the jet made its inbound call at 30NM alerting the CAGRO and 210 driver to the conflict, which as it turned out was 2.5NM and no vertical. No TA or RA was given... :eek: