Ag Pilot Job - Very funny ad!

[maxspeed]

Agricultural Pilots:
All types of Ag applications, various locations throughout Australia as required
Exp: Experienced Ag Pilots that can actually fly, not just have a piece of paper that says they can - Tail dragger experience essential, recent application experience preferred
Apply To: Sheryl 04004XXX52 all hours
Seeking pilots with Ag experience. NO egos. NO Cowboys, NO throttle bashers, NO know it alls, NO Nutcases, NO Freeloaders, NO nasty types, NO whingers, NO slackers, NO liars, NO hidden agendas. NO opportunists. Must be team players, of sober habits, honest in all respects, professional in all regards, able to give, take and carry out instructions, be accountable, reliable and responsible, able to keep good records, able to clearly communicate on various levels. Must understand this is not a get rich industry, demand can be unpredictable, so flexibility is necessary. Must understand the aircraft is not a penis extension, it is their office in which they risk their lives daily and that correct and careful daily inspection, maintenance and operation of the aircraft helps keeps them alive. All aspects of safety and daily care of the aircraft and equipment must be a primary concern. The promotion of Best Practice over Common Practice is expected at all times. I have had my share of bullartists, con men, weirdos and badly trained monkeys. I want a real pilot who can work within Company Policies. Someone that does not have to be watched over to ensure they are doing the right thing. If you think youre the kind of person Im looking for I would appreciate you emailing your resume.
Contact: sheryl
Ph: 04004XXX52
Email: [email protected]
Date Added : 24/2/2011



:D

[frigatebird]

Talk about a 'Must Have' Wishlist....
And some say there is a shortage of experienced pilots in Oz ....?
The conditions that are listed as 'Must Have', in job ads these days, makes a mockery of the Aussie Fair Go.

'Fair Go' you have to have at least the endorsement and 300 hours experience on a KingAir (as stipulated by the mining company), to even be considered for a mining contract charter job..
Pity the poor sprog trying to get his first turbine job.
Similarly with other sections of the industry.

An employer with any sense, would have the nouse to be able to pick a good type of pilot, endorse him (her), integrate them, and retain them to get the value back, without having to winge at the hiring stage.
If they can't do that, then they aren't Managers.

What a negative ad from an employer.. Wouldn't even apply.

[Super Cecil]

Must understand this is not a get rich industry
Does that mean don't expect much in wages?
who can work within Company Policies
as against CASA one's?

[Dogimed]

NO egos.
NO Cowboys,
NO throttle bashers,
NO know it alls,
NO Nutcases,
NO Freeloaders,
NO nasty types
NO whingers,
NO slackers,
NO liars,
NO hidden agendas.
NO opportunists.

Must be team players, of sober habits, honest in all respects, professional in all regards, able to give, take and carry out instructions, be accountable, reliable and responsible, able to keep good records, able to clearly communicate on various levels.


This used to be just the standard to fit into society .... (excluding aviation expectations)

[CharlieCharlie78]

Gold! I Love it! :D

[VH-XXX]

At least the advert is genuine with valid phone number and email that can be easily linked to the actual operator. You're not dealing with a shonk.

[Aerodynamisist]

"Must understand this is not a get rich industry, demand can be unpredictable, so flexibility is necessary."

The employer has obligations too, if you can't provide your people with an income they can rely on, then it's you and your business that has the problem not the employee.

Ive seen my fair share of nut jobs in the Ag industry, mental nut job school bully types who yell and carry on all day who want everything done their way and any way you do it its wrong, this add looks like something they would write.

[Homesick-Angel]

Sheryl sounds like a p1sser..

If I had any fondness for flying 0 feet off the ground Id even consider applying..

Alas I feel any aircraft is a penis extension so Im out..

[osmosis]

My how times have changed, assuming this article is legitimate. Shame if true. And a pity for the industry. Is there an opening for some non-nutcases, non-cowboys et al to consider dusting off their goggles?

[onetrack]

Geez, she's already narrowed down the field of potential job applicants, to only 2 pilots in the whole of Australia, hasn't she? :) :p

Sounds like a tough bunch to work for. It obviously goes without saying, that you're also expected work for peanuts, as well as being Top Gun in the Ag Aviation field.
It certainly sounds like she got what she paid for, in the past, by way of pilot employees.

[Wally Mk2]

1Trk yr post pretty much sums it up here:ok:

If & I say if with tongue in cheek this employer is right about what is obviously yr A typical Ag driver (in her eyes that is)then that section of the industry is indeed sad.

Still it was entertaining to read. And here I thought planes where an extension of ones penis, she's just ruined my whole outlook in life !!!:E

It's funny how any add for any job really is just another form of 'bait' & I'd hate to get my fingers caught in her trap:E




Wmk2

[Jabawocky]

The advert seems to be genuine.

I think she is tired of the w@nkers and really, all she asks for is fair enough. It is just she has the ....errr balls to print it! :D

Having said that they are from Western Australia :E

[Tidbinbilla]

I think I was married to Sheryl, once... :8

[prospector]

Cannot see anything funny about that ad. Everything that is requested is perfectly reasonable to expect from someone seeking such employment.

The only thing that I consider slightly funny, or more accurately unusual, is that someone has the intestinal fortitude to say what they mean, with out being hamstrung by political correctness garbage.

[Capetonian]

I love the Aussies, just say it like it is! I only wish there were more honesty of this nature in today's sad and miserably PC world. I believe we should all be free to say what we want, but equally to take the consequences thereof.

[ozaggie]

Very sad. A trawl through ATSB recent final reports will provide some clues as to the attitude.

[Super Cecil]

Very sad. A trawl through ATSB recent final reports will provide some clues as to the attitude.

A few of the accidents I've heard of in the last six months were very expirenced level headed drivers. I wouldn't call any of them cowboys. Care to elaborate?
Back to the add, does anybody know any one who has an AG rating without any tailwheel work? With the run of quiet years we've had expirenced drivers are harder to find, the good operators never seem to have trouble getting people to stay.

[catseye]

Cec,

believe she was closely attached to the subject of one of the reports so she is justified in specifying exactly what she is looking for. :=

Catseye

[aileron_69]

Back to the add, does anybody know any one who has an AG rating without any tailwheel work?


Someone who has only done Fletcher or Cresco topdressing work could very easily have no tailwheel experience. Not all Ag planes are tail draggers.

[Super Cecil]

Someone who has only done Fletcher or Cresco topdressing work could very easily have no tailwheel experience. Not all Ag planes are tail draggers.
Correct, know of any others besides that Norman thing that was demonstrator only? Even people that have only flown Fetchers most of their career have flown tailwheels with AG rating. I know of only one possible in the last thirty years who might not have had tailwheel time.

Still I spose you have to cover every possiblity. To me personally, having both been employed and employing people I would not put an add in like that.

[onetrack]

The reports just on Cessna Agwagon incidents alone, make for interesting reading. "Cowboy" seems about right in Sheryls description, if some of these incidents are anything to go on.
She could have also mentioned, "an innate ability to sense or remember exactly where every power line is", as another pre-requisite of the job... :hmm:
What amazes me is the ability of so many crop-dusting pilots to escape, from crashes that would normally be fatal.
Maybe it's just the low crop-dusting speeds that help... or they either have super-quick reflexes... or more lives than a cat... :hmm:

ATSB Cessna A188B - Google Search (http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-au&q=+site:atsb.com.au+ATSB+Cessna+A188B&sa=X&ei=--11TYN_0MitB9Gcpb8K&ved=0CAIQqAQwCg)

[currawong]

hypocrisy n.,1. the practise of professing standards, beliefs, etc., contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour.

Thanks Collins Concise

[tail wheel]

Correct, know of any others besides that Norman thing that was demonstrator only?

This?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Transavia_PL12_Airtruk_Hazair_03.88.jpg/800px-Transavia_PL12_Airtruk_Hazair_03.88.jpg

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[Bug4514]

Being an ex ag pilot from many years ago I can say that she has no chance of finding her man.
I would hate to see what Sheryl would put into an ad if she was looking for a husband.

[Waghi Warrior]

Simple, if you are interested and don't like what you read don't apply, that's why the ad was written in such a way, at least she is being honest, if at all the ad is legit !

[HarleyD]

Translation of the ad for the likes of whagi warrior and all those others that hink that Ag employers are the salt of the earth.

Wanted:

Ag II with nil accident history.

Must have been mixer/driver, and have all CASA, AAAA and state gov't ag dept accreditation, BWA,

Must own car and have drivers licence endorsed for heavy vehicles

Must be willing to work as mixer/driver for other real ag pilots for mixer/loader wages, casual, part time minimum rates.

must wash planes for other pilots/owner & wife's car

must be prepared to ignore part 48, even as it applies to the Ag industry

must be prepared to smell bad, and must not be frightened of working with dangerous chemicals with a minimum of PPE.

May be allowed to ferry planes from time to time

Must not let any family considerations affect work availability, this is a 24/7/365 job

Must be prepared to live in substandard accommodation in remote locations, at moderate rental costs (to you).

Must smoke 60 a day (optional for rollie smokers).

Must still have the bright enthusiasm of a true vocation in the industry.

Must not have had the spirit ground out of them yet, we will do this for you.

When asked to jump, must ask "how high"?.... whilst on the way up.

[Super Cecil]

Forgot about the Roost.

[Homesick-Angel]

Tailwheel

That is the first time Ive ever looked at an aircraft and belly laughed.

Thank you..

[multime]

Sheryl,s probably having a bad day.:yuk: But anyone with any sense of pride and professionalism won,t apply on principle.
Correct translation, Harley.!

[lowlifebrat]

Call me i am ready but what is the pay
Got all the credentials but need visa for Ozzie and accommodation and need car and good salary call me now or email me need job have lots of experience turbine piston ready to go now
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm not calls yet

[lowlifebrat]

Well Ag Pilots are professional Pilots and know how to fly because of low wires working when farmers cant get on the field etc and in bad conditions
an experienced Ag pilot has been through alot to get at least 500 hrs and by that time has learnt alot by seeing all the hazards of the environmetn
Anyone can fly an Ag plane but to work it at low level watching for bird tress wires etc takes a special breed of Pilot and men
None left today a dying breed
ask any Ag pilot you know all are older guys no bullshot with them

[lowlifebrat]

yes ONLY professional wanted the reason why I guess she is tired of picking up crashed planes and dead bodies this work is highly dangerous she is right by the ad but it is amusing to say the least but that is ozzies for you straight to the point hahahahah i will always stand back to back with an Ozzie in fight good people

[lowlifebrat]

wowowow who would fly that NO Prop hahahahahah

[gkpilot]

C-188 crashes, no different from any other ag aircraft,100 kts with a load has abit of weight,do not forget ,there is a cage around the pilot not like a c-172???but the bigger aircraft still crumble,it,s what you hit???& how... not people know of the Transavia air truck???
one of the best super spreading aircraft around,one doesnt have to worry about cross winds ,with good visability ,no dust on wind shield etc

[onetrack]

The Transavia Air Truk might have a lot of things going for it, in the cropdusting/aerial spreading game... but good looks, sure ain't one of them... :)

YouTube - Transavia Airtruk handling display - Bicentennial Airshow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4jEwMYAML0)

[A. Le Rhone]

Great Ad - tells it like it is!

If you are offended by it, harden-up princesses :rolleyes:

Sure employers have responsibilities (and as J* shows there are crappy companies that do everything they can to P1ss-off their employees).

But in an environment such as Sheryl's, she seems to have hit the nail on the head.

The principles stated in her ad should apply not just to the job but life in general!

[currawong]

A L R

Refer post #22

Go to original ad. Replace word "pilot" with "employer" or "operator"

I have yet to see one that qualifies.

Most make the outfit you mention look like amateurs.

[HarleyD]

To all of you armchair experts that have never spread a single ton of super or sprayed an acre of anything other than the BS that sprays from your key board, Go away and leave this thread the boys that have the runs on the board, cos you know Jack Sh!t about ag work that's for sure.

come back with a few mega tons and a few different (or not so different) ag employers under your belt and you will sing a different song. They are not the 'salt of the earth', it's the pilots who put it on the line day after day, who get pushed into long hours, stretching legalities, and who get hung out to dry if there is any sort of incident.

been there done that, best flying in the world, but time to move on.

HD

[zk-eml]

Yes I have to agree with you on that! lots comment on what we do or what goes on but no real idea what really happens, I had to laugh when I saw that ad.

[clunckdriver]

Eighteen seasons flying Ag {Took LOA from the airline, didnt learn to fly to spend fourteen hours straight and level!} This ad says what many of us doing the hiring looked for, still have the right to work in OZ and all ratings up to date, but its morning now and the effect of the nightcap drink has worn of, think Il give it a pass!

[rachbuzz]

What a sad state of affairs. Where do you get your information? How many of you even know of me, let alone know me? Obviously the answer is none.

Your comments are to the most extent childish, some dont even make sense.

To those of you who decided to make it a personal attack, shame on you, is that what you consider professionalism? If you are going to slander and defame me at least have the decency to identify yourselves.

My telephone number is 0400418052 - use it, dont make assumptions, find out facts. You might just be surprised by the truth.

Ausflier - frogs, scorpions, hat in hand, scams??? Would you be an idiot Ive previously employed? Perhaps you would like to identify yourself rather than hide behind a non de plume, I doubt it, cowards prefer to hide.

Most comments have done nothing but embarrass yourselves and your profession.

Sheryl Keen
Cropdusters Pty Ltd

[rachbuzz]

If you lost the chip off your shoulder you would be able to haul a full load

[rachbuzz]

Im a realist, not negative, by the way, stay where you are, we're full!

[rachbuzz]

You have the number, you say you have the goods, call me

[currawong]

Question is, does the ad list the character flaws of one ex employee?

Or several? Or all?

Might now be difficult for any ex employee to find employment given the brush they have all been tarred with.

[rachbuzz]

The ad lists the things that I do not want in any employee, nor Operator, nor Farmer, nor the Industry in general, as it states I want to promote Best Practise not Common Practise. As I was only looking to employ a Pilot, the advertisement only made reference to pilots. Had I required a mixer, Operator, CASA representative, landholder, etc, etc, the ad would have read very much the same. I am not niave to the downfalls of all parties, myself included.

Pilots, Operators, whomever, it is already a case of being tarred with the same brush, just look at the assumptions made about how my business is conducted. In an industry that relies on honest, open communication there is way too much bull****.

It is part of this Companies Business Plan (and was prior to what you might find trawling through recent ATSB final reports) to attempt to have inadequacies in industry practices and standards recognised and addressed, particularly in relation to safety. One of the ways of doing that was by employing the right people, hence the no frills ad.

Surprisingly it seems a lot of people here think it was written about them, sorry to disappoint. However amongst the comments here, I do believe there may be an ex employee (with all the NO traits) within the ranks, but who knows, Im the only one whose identity is public.

[rachbuzz]

Are you the "trained monkey" (your words not mine) I once employed

Who tampered with the aircraft?
Who whilst under the influence of alcohol rang the Federal Police accusing your mixer operator of intending to make a bomb from Urea and diesel?
Who ground looped the aircraft?
Who disappeared for days on end whilst work waited, waited, waited...?
Who started referring to himself as Capt?
Who could not go a day without alcohol?
Who said he didnt have a Tax File Number but did have lots of off shore bank accounts?
Who said about his asian wife, and mother of his 3 sons "the bitch will have to prove herself if she thinks Im going to bring her here"?
Who went around to customers spreading lies about not being paid?
Who wont supply requested information and is now hiding in the mining industry?

Is that you old mate?

[Track5milefinal]

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[Super Cecil]

Most of us who have been in the industry a while have come across "Characters" in the game. Most have also had dealings with an odd operator with similar flaws. :8

[rachbuzz]

Haven't we...so you can understand where I'm coming from then Cecil?

The distressing part is it's not a "game", and it is people not "characters".

If only the solution was as simple as the application of an ACME product we would all be in a much better place.

[40Deg STH]

I like all her requirements, BUT...................Sober habits?:D

[beat ups are fun]

When i first read the advert I had a little giggle, mainly because I though someone was pulling my leg. But it turns out that this is a real position. Surely someone hasn't actually applied for this job. I'm sorry to say but my first impression of the employer is someone that will never be pleased. Note to self - Never get an ag rating!

[frigatebird]

rachbuzz
Its frigatebird with a small 'f'. (I'm proud of what I've done, but not up myself.) My comments were a general take on the way all the ads these days have stringent 'must have' requirements. And then you complain about how you can't get suitable people....!!?? Train a few and mentor them to your ways if necessary, I've found that every company I have worked for thinks they are the Best and Greatest, just because they are still in business, even though a new hire has to fit in to the new way of doing the same things no matter how much or how little experience they have. The hardest thing I have found in forty years, is trying to give an employer good advice. Well I have some tailwheel time, (got it for the experience), but don't have - and won't be getting - an Ag rating, so wont be applying..
The way you come across all agro in your ad, and here, - I wouldn't pass it on to someone qualified tho..

[GA_FATMAN]

I too read this job and thought what a joke.

If you need a job Ag flying then all you do is pick the phone up and you shouldn't have a problem in the current state unless you are a cowboy with a bad reputation.
Sorry to say Sheryl but normally a good pilot can find a job and there is little motivation in your job ad to employ a good pilot with all the choices he would have out there compared to your terms and conditions.
It simply looks like you would want way too much from someone.

Fully understand your sick of these cowboys and you need a good pilot to stick around but all the good pilots have lots of options at the minute and your ad looks like a joke.

[rachbuzz]

If it is as easy as picking up the phone and you have a job flying Ag then why do I have countless emails from other Operators giving me positive feedback for the ad, the honesty and asking for the contact details of any surplus applicants? Dont be dillisional. The problem is not just mine, its industry wide.

You just dont get it, Im not some overbearing, dominating, demanding moron, Im someone that is genuninely aware of their own limitations and hence the need for experienced people as part of a team that is dedicated to better practises and conditions for all involved, particularly pilots, believe it or not.

Anyway, its probably time everyone moved on to another topic, this thread is getting tired and unproductive, lots of opinions, few people up to the job.

To those of you that have sent me your resumes, thank you. I am currently sorting through them and will respond in the near future.

[Super Cecil]

Rach, easy answer just go and get your Com/AG rating and you won't have to worry about those pesky ag pilots.

[UnaMas]

sounds like a lovely lady to work for..... :ooh:



but hey, a jobs a job!

[rachbuzz]

Thats an unrealistic answer, not an easy one.

[Super Cecil]

Sheryl, that was a serious suggestion. Take it how you want too but if you haven't found anybody in what is it forty years of employing pilots? Then maybe it would be better to do it yourself?

[rachbuzz]

Mmmmm I dont think you were, my husband's dead, he was killed in an aircraft crash...

[rachbuzz]

My last post was for you Tidbinbilla (http://www.pprune.org/members/152474-tidbinbilla)