Life at Emirates

[Tajfaa]

I wrote this reply to a fellow aviator seeking some unbiased info on life at Emirates. Thought I might make it available to everyone:

No, our rosters are not that bad...

Layovers for the A340 are:
MUC, DUS, MXP,DME, VCE, MAD, PVG, PEK, SEZ, EBB, DAR, TIP, LOS, ACC

Layovers for the A330 are:
NCL, NCE, FCO, MLA, PRG, CCU, NBO, TUN, CMN, DUR, DKR

Of the turnarounds on the A330, I find 15 flts at night and 19 during the day. The A340 has fewer T/A flights, didn't count the ratio there...

Our OM-A says this regarding night duties:
Should any duties be scheduled to be carried out within any part of the period
between 0200 and 0459 local time, for a minimum of 2 and a maximum of 3
consecutive nights, then crew members will finish the duty preceding this
series of duties by 2100 hours local time before covering the block of
consecutive night duties, such that crew members can take a rest period
during a local night.
Note: In the event of 2100 hours being inadvertently exceeded, then only the
first of any 3 planned consecutive night duties that impinge on any part of the
period 0200 to 0459 hours local time may be undertaken.
A maximum of 3 consecutive nights and 4 in 7 consecutive days must not be
exceeded and the criteria for ‘Interrupted Rest’ (see paragraph 7.9.3) must be
applied.

As you can see, you might get 3 consecutive night duties or 4 nights in 7 days. This is the limit.

As far as the practice, I'm not quite sure as I manage to avoid most night T/A as a trainer. I do know that the line guys complain of a lot of night flying, so it's definitely a factor. But when you look at the 15/19 ratio night/ day for T/A flights, you can then statistically plan on 44% night T/A's...

Where we have two daily layover flights, one of them is typically a night return landing DXB in the morning.

Minimum rest before next flight is 12hr's or length of previous duty, whichever is longer. Again, these are minimum requirements, and doesn't happen very often. Seldom will you land after an all-nighter and go straight back out the same night (to the best of my knowledge).

Time to command is presently 4 years, 3 months on the B777 and 5 years, 3 months on the A330. This info is on two randomly selected FO's presently finishing up their upgrades. I cannot guarantee they are representative, but I think so. Keep in mind that the B777 fleet is about twice as large as the A330 fleet, so a new B777 FO will thus have about twice as many senior FO's in front of him for an upgrade on his fleet. My sentiments are that with the continued A380 deliveries and the pending A350 deliveries, the Airbus fleet will grow quicker than the Boeing fleet in the future, thereby reducing the relative time to command on the Airbus fleet. There is presently no upgrades on the A380 for the FO's on that fleet. They are transferred to the A330 after a freeze period for their upgrade. This must change in the future as we eventually will phase out our A330/ A340's...

Regarding lifestyle on the A380, at the moment it's superior - only a couple of T/A's and great layover destinations. This will obviously change when we increase the fleet size over the present 15, when deliveries commence in September. I understand Emirates is pressing Airbus for a weight increase to 600t (!) to be able to operate to the US West Coast. This will serve to expand it's radius and open up new possibilities for ULR flight on that fleet - definitely good news.

Regarding CCQ to the A340, the OM-A states:
A330/340 Cross Crew Qualification (CCQ)
Normal policy is to Cross Crew Qualify (CCQ) all suitable pilots for Mixed Fleet
Flying (MFF) operations. Pilots selected for CCQ must be deemed competent
by the Fleet Management to maintain MFF standards.
To be eligible for CCQ, the pilot shall complete 3 months and 150 hours flying
on the base aeroplane, and this must include at least 1 Operator Proficiency
Check (which may be the initial Operator Proficiency Check).

Mixed Fleet Flying (MFF) Policy
Before exercising the privileges of 2 licence endorsements, a pilot must
complete two consecutive Operator Proficiency Checks and have 500 hours in
the relevant crew position with Emirates.

Regarding the current practice, I think it is between 1,5 and two years after joining at the moment, but I stand to be corrected (anyone?)

Do keep in mind that these are only my best guess as what might happen in the future. Having said that, I strongly believe I'm not too far from the truth.

Hope this additional information helps. keep in mind that I definitely don't sit on all relevant info, and this is my opinion only (disclaimer!) Best of luck on your decision. I wish you a warm welcome if you decide to join us. We need all the pilots we can entice to join I think...

:ok:Tajfaa

[Aussie]

Dont think so mate.

While your knocking back guys with Thousands of hrs on Jets lighter then 30T, your far from desperate :ok:

[Marooned]

Aussie; they are desperate but delusional. They still believe there are enough out there with the current experience criteria to fill the slots to keep growing and to fill those left by those 'enticed' elsewhere.

They could 'entice' all the pilots they need by treating the ones they have better and not resort to a blatant HR lackey to post a thread such as this...desperate. There are so many many holes in the info presented it's difficult to know where to start. Probably the first is the fact that the OMA referenced means NOTHING and has and will change as required.

They're wrong to disregard the experience you mention, but so they are on so many other issues. It will change but only when aircraft are grounded.

[sheiken around]

Interesting use of the word "entice"...

Definition :
en·tice - to lead on by exciting hope or desire; allure; inveigle


Sounds about right to me..!!

[Tajfaa]

Sometimes the urge to just give up can be quite overpowering...

I knew the moaners would be all over this to try and rip it to shreds. What I have written is FACT - verifiable. Where I have made an educated guess, I have clearly indicated that.

I'm not saying life at Emirates is perfect, but I do believe getting the right facts will help prospective new joiners make their decision.

Maybe someone ought to look up the definition for spin as well...

Anyway...

:ok:Tajfaa

[Marooned]

There are the Emirates 'facts' you have chosen to share and practical experience these facts turn out to be. The 'facts' omit the numerous changes that have taken place through bitter experience despite anything written in the GCAA fiction piece The OMA.

The snapshot you present simply bears no resemblance to the future that is likely to be experienced.

Enticed? More like ensnared.

[Kapitanleutnant]

Marooned said:

""There are the Emirates 'facts' you have chosen to share and practical experience these facts turn out to be. The 'facts' omit the numerous changes that have taken place through bitter experience despite anything written in the GCAA fiction piece The OMA.

The snapshot you present simply bears no resemblance to the future that is likely to be experienced.

Enticed? More like ensnared.""
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Marooned... could not have said it better myself. Spot on!!

The road show I attended was glitz and glamour and I must admit when I joined a number of years ago, there was a lot of that during the early years. But that presentation ended up being NOWHERE NEAR what my then future held here at EK.

Very disappointing. Funny how they never told the group that they can simply change the contract on you... at any time they wish! And all of us from the home country certainly didn't ever figure we would even have to ask that question... how could anyone just change a contract without one's consent for it to be legal? Oh Naive us.....

Welcome to the UAE and EK!!

78 hrs to 92 hours
Utilities Cap on villas
No 3% payraise a few years back per contract we all signed

The list goes on and on......

You think you can live with all that??? I thought I could too but it really frustrates me these days.

K

[GoreTex]

What I signed up for and what I get now is totally different, they changed the package so many times, but never for the better.

Ok, now you ask me why I am still here? I would have never come if I knew what I know now but now I am too old to go anywhere and that will happen to anybody who joins, you cant start at the bottom of the seniority list once you are too old.
my 2 fils

[MosEisley]

Goretex,

Could not agree more. If they had offered me what we actually have now I would not be here. The package that was on the table in '07/early'08 was much better than what they shoved down our throats in fall '08. I know that I and many of my coworkers who started in '07/early '08 feel very cheated. Keep in mind we are the same group who spent up to a year+ in temporary accommodation when we showed up. In fact, I was still in temp when they announced the pay cuts, fleet transfer and upgrade changes and lifestyle degradation policies. My friends who were already here in '07 showed me their bottom bid rosters from that time and now they would be a dream in 2nd top.

OK, the inevitable question, "why don't you leave then?" I'll give them until May to step up and give us what we deserve and make the package what they need to fill the recruiting quota. If they don't then I, along with many of my friends, will be actively looking for anything else.

[411A]

If they don't then I, along with many of my friends, will be actively looking for anything else.
Good luck with that.
With oil prices heading higher (perhaps long term) there might not be much to choose from....elsewhere.

[Trader]

411, if oil stays high then the world, as a whole, is in trouble and Dubai, which is already sitting on the thin edge of the blade, will fall quickly (led by its cash cow - Emirates).

This is going to get interesting quickly. EK has to hire 700 pilots in the next year to cover growth and the resume pile is already dry.

Now add to this the turmoil in the Middle East and what person in his right mind is going to move his family to Dubai???? While I don't expect anything to happen in the UAE the neighboring counties are all having difficulties (except Qatar and Kuwait) and more importantly, for the average person not from the ME, it is TOO CLOSE for comfort. I suspect that the recruiting pool will really dry up now.

I know EK believes that Dubai is no longer a 'hardship' post. That changed a few weeks ago. The risk to moving here increased exponentially a few weeks ago. This is true whether it is reality or a perception. The cost to attract pilots just went up and the value of KEEPING pilots did as well (GF will find this out quickly if they are not proactive).

But I doubt EK will do anything about it and we will slip further.

[sheikmyarse]

Nice coordinated managerial pumping attempt.
You official EK pumpers are getting paid by the words or by post?
I don't get a dime for my bashing it comes just spontaneous.

[Flyer1015]

EK has to hire 700 pilots in the next year to cover growth and the resume pile is already dry.
Obviously not dry enough if they still have the 30 ton jet rule. :E

[fliion]

Anyone know if there is truth to the rumour that one of the big FO moaners from the US who did a runner last year to his furlough protected job in the US has asked to return?

F

[MosEisley]

411A,

There are plenty of other opportunities out there. EK is no longer the only game in town and considering all the changes, it isn't even one of the top choices anymore.

[411A]

Did i get that wrong?


Yup, sure did.
Certainly your loss, not mine.:}

[Fly747]

Yes and what price EK after you get the first protest rally or the first protester shot?

[cf680c2b]

Good on you TAJFAA.............management or not/accurate or not, your providing some value to these forums.

I actually learned something from your post.:ok:

[Wizofoz]

Yes and what price EK after you get the first protest rally or the first protester shot?

In the UAE??????

Sorry, but you speak out of total ignorance.

[Mr Good Cat]

Quote:
Yes and what price EK after you get the first protest rally or the first protester shot?


It's already happening...

Just today I saw a few hundred Emiratis marching from the Burj Khalifa to Starbucks chanting about how they can't afford the price of new Ferraris, and that the latest government housing has only 2 maid's rooms leaving no space for the butlers or drivers.

I predict a riot.

PS Google is your friend if you wish to obtain greater knowledge before posting.

[sheikmyarse]

What if the 67 percent population made of underpaid and exploited laborers get inspired by what is happening just passed the UAE borders?

[Wizofoz]

What if the 67 percent population made of underpaid and exploited laborers get inspired by what is happening just passed the UAE borders?

They'd be deported the next day.

[411A]

What if the 67 percent population made of underpaid and exploited laborers get inspired by what is happening just passed the UAE borders?
I expect they would be rounded up pronto, and deported.
They have no 'rights'...except the expectation of following orders.

[harry the cod]

It never ceases to amaze me that supposedly intelligent people can post such utter crap.

MosEisely, Kapitanleutnant, Gortex and others.

What pay cut are you taking about? I've been here over 8 years and have never had a pay cut. Sure, no rise that year, but that is not a pay cut, is it? As for 'Lifestyle degredation policy', care to elaborate further please?

There is nothing in our 'contract' that specifically mentions the hours we can work.
There is nothing in our 'contract' relating to utilities allowance. Even with the cap, nobody has had to pay yet, have they?
There is nothing in our 'contract' about a yearly 3% rise.

Niave? No, just very little understanding of basic employment law. So, perhaps we should put this 'contract' understanding to bed once and for all.

Our 'Contract Adjustment Letter' is what we signed for and, apart from pay increases and improvements, nothing has changed. The only thing that will change is your class of travel when you upgrade. A villa will be provided if available but this is not 'contractual'. Only that 'accomodation is provided', as some of those less fortunate found out in 07/08. In any event, the Company has the right to alter our contract at any time without notice. That's not unique to Emirates or Dubai. It's happened to many thousands of pilots in the US and is happeneing right now with BA cabin crew. The only difference is that they are 'voicing' their displeasure through industrial action. Good luck with that here in the UAE!

I'm not defending the Company. In fact, I agree with a great majority of those that complain about the poor handling of accomodation issues, as well as the unsustainable monthly flying and duty hours. I also think it stinks that we haven't had a 3% step increment for the last 2 years, something that almost every other major airline gives regardless. I also couldn't give a rat's arse about our profit share and would far rather see a set 2 week bonus each year if we make target. For that though, working hours would return to around 78 hours per month. Lifestyle and family time has become far more valuable than extra dirhams in the bank, not that we actually get the 'extra' dirhams for the hours, just flying pay. The profit share, whatever it is, should be the same % regerdless of your pay grade. Pay, across the Company, should be transparent.

Unfortunately, those that hold the purse strings have become obsessed with the profit share, as have the majority of our office workers. They, unfortunately, do not see the damage that this short sighted and self serving benefit has on the final product and those that try to deliver it. We complain because we care. Most of us have come here for the long term and naturally, wish to see the Company thrive. It is in our interest that it does. However, most of our senior managers, non local, will use Emirates as a stepping stone or as a final fling into retirement. With the profit share they make, their vested interest in the Airline's survival is short term only.

I just wish that those same constant pprune whingers would spend a little more time on researching basic facts rather than the constant diatribe of negativity that pervades their misguided and often innaccurate statements.

Harry

[nolimitholdem]

I think the "Lifestyle Degradation Policy" might be referring to (for one example) the meddling with rosters, such as manually inserting a turnaround into a string of days off. Whether this is "policy" or not is semantics, it certainly has the effect of degrading the lifestyle of those hoping to use the days off for some specific purpose aka escaping to reality for awhile.

The overtime threshold increase, aka "New Flight Time Target", where monthly work was increased from 78 hours to 92 has definitely had some detrimental effects on lifestyle. Not to mention on health, marital stress, and the ability of small children to recognize the grumpy, groggy zombie who occasionally drops by the villa that they used to call "daddy".

And on it goes. But hey we're all to blame for joining, right? It's all in the "contract"...

[Marooned]

Harry, you've made the point entirely. The originator of the thread gave a snapshot of EK now and omitted the points you have just made:

There is nothing in our 'contract' that specifically mentions the hours we can work.
There is nothing in our 'contract' relating to utilities allowance. Even with the cap, nobody has had to pay yet, have they?
There is nothing in our 'contract' about a yearly 3% rise.

Nothing can or should be expected because the contract is always a work in progress, work that is to EKs benefit and the employees detriment.

[harry the cod]

Apologies Nolimits, I forgot to add your name to the list of constant whingers.

Name me an Airline out there that has actually 'improved' the overall package over the last 10 years or so. If I were running a Company, why would I adjust a contract to my detriment?

The problem that we're going to face, or our management more to the point, is recruiting high standard pilots into an airline that's still expanding. However, what they probably don't mention at recruitment days, but they should, is the increasing times to command. Currently 4-5 years but likely to be 7-9 years in a few years from now. Also, heavily dependant on which fleet you happen to be on when upgrading.

Still, if we believe half of what some of you guys threaten to do every week, there should be plenty of vacancies available! :rolleyes:

Harry

[The Turtle]

Name me an Airline out there that has actually 'improved' the overall package over the last 10 years or so.

Jetblue

[Flyer1015]

Name me an Airline out there that has actually 'improved' the overall package over the last 10 years or so.

Jetblue

Like Emirates premium pay trigger moving from 78 to 93 hours, JetBlue's trigger moved from 70 to 78 (I think). It did take a turn for the worst. Not an absolute horror, but still, worth mentioning.

[nolimitholdem]

Now now harry, I know it must frustrate you to have people state some of the facts of life but name-calling isn't the way to play..."whingers" implies some sort of misery, but truth be told I quite enjoy shining a light on the bull****. Seeing as you appear to fancy yourself something of an authority on things such as "basic employment law", I'm sure you can relate...

Perhaps I'm not quite as cynical as you, but even though I would never expect something as progressive as altruism to factor into any decisions made in Dubai, I do think you answered your own question as to "why would I adjust a contract to my detriment"?

With regards to other airlines adjusting pay thresholds - beyond the fact that Jetblue apparently adjusted theirs upwards to be where EK's WAS - the key difference is that there is at least a chance that that might be revised downwards in the future. At EK? Not a chance, not once they saw the huge profits to be made.This is the difference between a country with labour and legal protections and one without. (Since this thread is entitled, after all "Life at Emirates".)

PS WestJet is another airline whose package has improved in the last ten years. Oh, and not all the "threats" made weekly are idle. I should know! :ok:

[White Knight]

For starters, look at the overtime threshold change. We used to get paid for those hours above 80 or so and now we do not. We now regularly fly up to the threshold but get paid less than before.

Mmm - I seem to recall not getting overtime at ALL once upon a time! Then we did for a bit (above about 78 hours for 30 day month) and then it changed recently-ish to 92 hours. Harry is correct about so-called contractual issues. I suggest guys and girls you read yours:bored::bored:

[fdcg27]

All those new airplanes on order sure will be nice.
My, won't there be a whole bunch of new A380s on property over the next decade?
All the growth has been nice as well.
I don't think you can operate an airline without pilots, though.
To what extent has this airline grown as a result of a worldwide pilot surplus that must come to an end?
A carrier that depends upon expat pilots to run its fleet can ill afford to mistreat them.
Taking advantage of those without a choice will surely discourage those who do, and with retirements and increased flying in the developed world, with unions and better regulation, it may be that this airline will need to treat its pilots considerably better should it wish to attract qualified pilots.
The airline will always be able to find someone with the right certificate.
The question being whether you'd want to sit in the back with some of these folks operating the aircraft?

[MosEisley]

Harry the codpiece (since we have resorted to name calling),

I think that nolimit and Fack have explained my points very well and need no further clarification. You just keep drinking that EKoolaid with the rest of the sheep and see where that gets us.

[The Turtle]

Quote:
Name me an Airline out there that has actually 'improved' the overall package over the last 10 years or so.

Jetblue
Like Emirates premium pay trigger moving from 78 to 93 hours, JetBlue's trigger moved from 70 to 78 (I think). It did take a turn for the worst. Not an absolute horror, but still, worth mentioning.

and they received a big increase in pay

[Fack5]

Name me an Airline out there that has actually 'improved' the overall package over the last 10 years or so.


Turkish.
Korean.

[harry the cod]

Nolimits

No, it frustrates me when people don't stick to the facts.

Yes, I doubt very much that the threshold for overtime will change back to the good ol' days but the current hours are simply unsustainable. We know that and our management know that. It's why a minimum of 32 new pilots come through the door every month, some months up to 48. There are no new aircraft arriving until September so that should see the hours come down for us. It has to. Not to the previous range but less than now. Your somewhat childish response that JetBlue is more likely to improve before us is rediculous and merely highlights the lack of thought that many negative posts contain. It's called clutching at straws. Flyer1015 gave us a valid answer. Accept it. As for WesJet, i've never even heard of them so I can't agree or disagree either way.

Applying Ultruism on contracts? Sure, nice thought but where have you been for the last 20 years. It's not just aviation that's changed, it's the World of doing business. Companies pay what they can get away with. Emirates is no different. In fact, it's pretty ruthless when it comes to business. See how quick they do salary deductions. Now compare that to how long it takes and how many emails you have to send when you need the money. Yet, compared to the majority of airlines that I could realistically be employed at, Emirates is still the best.

As an aside, a friend recently went through some huge personal issues. The Companies response and support has been outstanding. :ok:

Fack5

Yes, we're working harder. I don't like it any more then you. Doing the same work now for less than what we would have got had we been on the previous threshold. I'm well aware of that, but, a pay cut it isn't. There is one huge difference between feeling agrieved at having to work harder for the same money and having to work the same or harder for less money. Semantics? Not at all, just facts again. Turkish and Korean? Well, even if there has been a measurable improvement in the contract, my only response is that it must have been needed. If it's now that good, it makes you wonder why so many more haven't left EK for these wonder airlines. By the way, I know someone that's gone to Turkish and it was the biggest mistake of his entire life. Even more than marriage he said.

MosEisely

Is that it, the best you can do? That's just the sort of comment that must have some of our management wondering what kind of idiots they've employed. EKoolaid! Just gotta love that old nugget that pops up everytime you and your like can't think of a valid and educated response. What I find somewhat ironic is that it isn't myself that needs to consume it. I'm happy here remember.


Before you all post here again, pop over to the terms and Endearment threads and look up the 'RYR Management base visist'. Perhaps it may make you think twice before 'Submit Reply' is pressed.

Harry

[MosEisley]

Harry, it is quite unnecessary to say that you are happy here, that's obvious and telling. It would also seem that EK is more than happy with the idiots they have employed as evidenced by your enthusiastic contentment with bending over with a big dumb smile on your face everytime the master needs another pound of your flesh. Did you ever consider that the reason they are so quick to change your "contract" is because people like you simply prostrate yourself before the whip and thank the master for the opportunity to be walked on? Cowards and sycophants like you are a disgrace to our profession. On the bright-side, rest well knowing you are exactly the jellyfish they prize and rely on to spout the rhetoric and propaganda that keep the rest of us in line.

[harry the cod]

MosEisely

I can do nothing about my contract. Neither can you or the other 2600 pilots that are here. If the Company chooses to change it, I either accept it for what it is or leave. It really is that simple.

If you can be bothered to read and understand my previous posts, you should have grasped by now that I don't like everything about our T&C's. I am, however, intelligent enough to realise that despite that fact, overall we are much better off than many out there. I can't be unique. The majority of EK pilots must feel the same or else they'd have left too. They may not be entirely happy but our resignation rate, for what it's worth, is far lower than people like yourself would have us believe. Trying to drag the majority of us down with your constant negative and personal vitriolic attacks only demonstrates the same bullying behaviour that you acuse our employer of enforcing.

To have the audacity to call me a coward when you hide behind the anonymity that forums such as this provides, actually makes you the disgrace to our profession, not me. When you have the decency and maturity to hold an adult debate, then I will make the time to respond.

Until then, I will treat you with the contempt your post deserves.

Harry

[Mister Warning]

MosEisley - I agree with you.

It's hard to soar like an Eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

And before you shoot me down, Harry - I left because I was sick of seeing my terms and conditions eroded by those in the Ivory Tower.

Did my leaving make any difference? To EK - none whatsoever. To me - the world.

[411A]

I left because I was sick of seeing my terms and conditions eroded by those in the Ivory Tower.


Hardly.
I expect it was because of a slight mental defect...on your part (IE: a child), not the companies.
Get over it and leave those who choose to remain...alone.
Working for a middle east aircarrier requires a thick skin, something MW simply does not possess, nor is likely to in the future.
Too bad for him.:rolleyes:

[Mister Warning]

Another Pearl from 411A. :ugh:

[MosEisley]

So "Harry the Cod" is your real name then? OK Mr. The Cod, wether you choose contempt, disdain, or apathy makes no difference to me because you are a non entity in this discussion. You want to put your head in this sand and tell yourself you are happy with the way things are, be my guest. But why bark at those of us who refuse to delude ourselves? If you simply sit back and take whatever comes then do so and stop trying to be the rose colored glasses. Tell me this, what good does it do you to silver line the reality of working at EK to people who don't even work here? I know your type, I've had plenty of discussions with guys who don't want to question authority or "cause problems." You've got it all figured out and us young whipper snappers should learn our place and return to the bench and just keep rowing. You may have found some peace with that choice (and a strange sense of superiority) but why come after those of us who won't be content with the hypocrisy and lies? Ultimately you would benefit from enough discontent so why try to stifle it? The fact is, I'm not that young anymore and I do know our place. That's why I'm pissed. So I'll continue to exhibit the same contempt for you and your ilk as long as you deserve it.

One last thing "Harry," cowardice and anonymity are issues I'd love to discuss with you over coffee sometime if I didn't think you'd happily turn me over to TCAS for an extra ration of gruel.

[donpizmeov]

Just checked the last Fleet facts from 2010. It states that as of Aug 2010 we had 2451 pilots in the company. As of the 28th Feb 2011 we have 2587 pilots in the company. Sept through Feb shows 227 new joiners. So it would seem 91 fellas have left in this time. So about a 6% (using 91 pilots in 7 months vs the current 2587 pilot strength) wastage rate at the moment. So I think you may be right Harry, an average of 13 guys a month since Sept have spoken with their feet, making lots of vacancies.
I guess this is why the promised roster relief is taking so long to materialise.


The Don

[superced]

I can do nothing about my contract. Neither can you or the other 2600 pilots that are here. If the Company chooses to change it, I either accept it for what it is or leave. It really is that simple.


:\:\:\:\

[sleeve of wizard]

or maybe a better job came up for Mister Warning, less hours more money?

[411A]

They have already acknowledged that PPRuNe is having a devastating affect on recruitment...

They have? Where? When? In print? What is your source?;)

[r0v3r]

So basically most of the videos which I am about to post is lies?

Part 1: YouTube - Emirates Flight Deck Crew Part1.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwMUsiTPAiY&feature=channel_video_title)

Part 2: YouTube - Emirates Flight Deck Crew Part2.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1uLAWvz_hs&feature=relmfu)

Part 3: YouTube - Emirates Flight Deck Crew Part3.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPcLh5LTMSo&feature=relmfu)

Steve

[M-rat]

No longer, and never really was germane to the discussion, but Maria no longer works for her previous carrier. She has left and is full time director of what is no longer the Dhaka Project, but The Maria Christina Project.

[Mister Warning]

LR3 - You guessed right. 200 hours corporate in the 8 months since I left for 30% better money.
411A - Definitely a mental defect ie. a no brainer! :)

[Jet II]

The annual rate of attrition is about 3.6%, which is a rise over the previous year.


How would that compare with other major airlines?

[nolimitholdem]

So basically most of the videos which I am about to post is lies?

Yes.

Sort of like EK advertising their "green" flights to SFO...um, ok. :rolleyes:

[Wizofoz]

PUA,

I've noted three posts from you in the past hour- two in Tech forum (where you have displayed astounding technical ignorance) and one here (which is either meaningless or extremely rude).

Congrats- signal to noise ratio lower impressively in one posting frenzy...

[Wizofoz]

Cesco- Granted!!!;)

Common phraseology on some of the sciencey sites I frequent (usually as the dumbest kid in the room!!):8

[EGGW]

Have removed most of the crud from this thread, back on topic please :ugh:

EGGW.

[SOPS]

Just info for anyone who cares...just got a roster change...took away a short turn around, made it in to a longer turnaround..total hours for the month of March will now be 99.20..I can no longer keep this up:ugh:

[Can't think of a name]

Then don't......call in SF....but make sure they put it in the system as SF, and not just SK. I'm not having a go, but it takes individual action to change things.....:ugh:

[The Real Pink Baron]

SOPS,
That's why I left! Now a very happy teddy. :ok:

[goatherd]

EGGW

If you want to remove the crud you should shut down the server:E