EK F/O Apartments

[PRT2010]

Hi All,

Considering joining EK and am trying to decide which option to take re accommodation. Wondering if current F/O's can tell me where guys are being placed at the minute and also what buildings might have space that EK use as I would like to have a look at the surrounding area, etc. before deciding to apply or not.

Many thanks!

:)

[helen-damnation]

PRT2010,

AFAIK, you can still opt out after joining. IMHO, take the company accom and have a look around when you have settled in.

enjoy

H-D

[sheikmyarse]

My dear don't worry... there will be a red carpet at your arrival and you will be a guest of he Sheik in is Palace until you find something that satisfies you.
Free champagne and caviar will be at your disposal during the time it will take to make up your mind on which of the many fabulous location is most suitable for you and once you are done to choose the model of the Iacuzzi and tiles color in the bathroom. For the furniture you will be given the choice between Louis XIV or Baroque.
The nearest mosque will be at least at 5km distance as per the contract...
They treat their slaves nicely..here! By the way your chains will be gold plated... well it is fake gold... but who cares...you can still tell your friend it is real!! Enjoy!!Still take into account you might end up in some ****** up place in temporary accommodation for a few months.... but then ..golden chains!!!

[SassyPilotsWife]

PRT I have sent you a PM. Don't want EGGW to swat me with the wooden spoon for advertising too much on here. Anyway, contact this girl, she is an expat married to a pilot too and she's an agent for alot of EK pilots who own, buy and rent out properties. She comes highly recommended.

SPW

[sheikmyarse]

It amazes me to see still now people trying to sell Dubai as a possible real estate paradise. Prices fell 80% in 2 years. And they are still a lot over priced compared to civilization. If you opt out of company accommodation you will never be able to return. So just imagine what can happen if you landlord after two years raise tour rent by 30 or 40%. and he will do it.
Buying in Dubai? No way... The future of the place is uncertain, Iran is too close, Middle East is afcing challenges and changes. 110000 dhs a year is about 2000 euro per month. You can rent good quality in major European cities centers for that money. Real estate wise Dubai is a dead place. So if you made the mistake of leaving your job back home to join this pantomime still you can avoid others, Stay in company accommodation and don't accept anything before a test day and night in it.

[Oblaaspop]

110000 dhs a year is about 2000 euro per month. You can rent good quality in major European cities centers for that money

Sheiky, you are correct, but the point is, European carriers don't give you a 2700 euro per month allowance to cover the cost of rental, so what's your point??:ugh:

[Left Coaster]

Sorry, just had to add something... be careful about using an agent such as the one mentioned above... She knows what your allowance is already and is pitching her husbands or his colleagues empty villas or apartments! You will not be shown any reasonable places at decent rates! Most other Landlords are desperate and WILL negotiate a reduction in rent...your agent is collecting a MINIMUM of 10% of your rent for just showing up! Make them actually work for the cash! It burns my butt to hand over that kind of cash for such a small amount of work...:*

[Jet II]

. If you opt out of company accommodation you will never be able to return. So just imagine what can happen if you landlord after two years raise tour rent by 30 or 40%. and he will do it.

sheiky - rest assured no landlord is going to raise any rents for the forseable ;)

[sheikmyarse]

My point is that with half of that money you easily pay a mortgage to buy a real house that at the worst it will maintain is value for ever but probably increase it in the medium long term.
Being in Europe and working for a comparable non low cost size airlines as a captain or FO you would easily make more money than any corresponding Emirates pilot allowance included. Just spoke with a 55 years old friend just retiring with 7000 euro pension..for life. Not to mention some other priceless facts as being free to voice your idea and opinions, having the protection of a real legal system, having the right to vote,having mostly free or quasi-free schools, free and competent medical care and feeling part of a real society not in a third world poor quality Disneyland built on oppression.
Someone says that EK package is good but that just makes me laugh!
The allowance is just a bait and most of the people I know that had chosen that option either lost hundreds of thousands in ****** up real estate deals or ended up in some other form of difficulties sooner or later. So de facto there is no allowance and free housing is the minimum they can give to attract people and cost them basically nothing since EK is essentially paying the rent to it self.
Keep recovering

[Oblaaspop]

Mate, I think you need to do more research. With allowance, an EK F/O will TAKE HOME around 36,000 DHS per month which is $10k. A skipper will take over $14k.

Please could you provide details of the Euro airlines whose TAKE HOME pay exceeds this amount in order that we can all apply..........

[SassyPilotsWife]

Left...

Oh darn, you caught us! Yes, we hired a spy to learn the housing allowances of ALL the pilots in the ME and now we're out to get you! The little green men you see running around you are purely innocent too I swear! About that bridge over the desert that you bought, well...

1. Give people more credit than this. Not everyone in real estate including DXB are scammers out for EK's 12k a month allowance. Especially " the agent above" as you mentioned.

2. If I am pitching properties that are empty and owned by EK guys.. WELL call the property police! I'll be damned if anyone should rent a property that is empty! I mean... hell, save your allowance money. Because the only "reasonable " villa or apartment is one that is already occupied right?

3. Not all landlords are desperate and actually some don't have to negotiate. How many EK pilots do you know that have so much time on their hands to do so? They trust their property with a qualified and licensed agent who happens to provide tenants who will take care of the properties AND that same agent does the negotiating for them. Especially when they are flying 95 hours a month and barely have time for family and sleep. Let alone time to deal with showing property, drawing up contracts, collecting deposits, etc etc etc.

4. The agent does NOT collect " your rent". A 5% commission is paid by the tenant and a 5% security deposit is again, paid by the tenant which goes to the land lord. That is standard and not charged by scamming agents only. The deposit is a given, the commission ? well do you work for free? if you fly for free then we will know how you got your type rating!

5. Rent is controlled by RERA and there are laws that prevent any owner from raising the rent the first 2 years and thereafter, it is only raised if the market allows. You do have the option to move out. There are 5% caps on rent as well in the UAE. Rent in DXB and northern emirates has NOT gone up in the past year. It's gone down, just ask those who live in Al Hamra !

JETII .. you couldn't have been more right!! NO landlord with good tenants would even contemplate raising rent. Matter of fact, rent goes down to keep the tenant and remain competitive.

6. If you have had the unfortunate experience of paying an agent 10% of " your rent" just for showing up and you think real estate agents are paid for doing nothing, then whats that say about you? If you also think that an EK pilot is going to be stupid enough to be "scammed" by an agent then whats that say about your opinion of them?

Although your idiotic response deserved NO reply, I thought I would set the record straight. Schizophrenia is a disease but you really can find a cure. Just ask the voices in your head. If you can pull it out of your ass.

Sheikh.. You forgot to mention paying all those taxes and higher interest rates in Europe.

Food for thought... If an EK pilot is going to purchase property here, why not do it and apply that 140k a year towards the mortgage ? A property that you're NOT taxed on, and that is probably selling for less than it was purchased for 2 years ago. In a few years, EK housing actually paid for that house.

SPW

[SassyPilotsWife]

I am in real estate but not in Dubai. However, the 3 ladies at my house right now who I read his comment to, had plenty to say and informed me I wasn't typing it all fast enough LOL.

I can vouch for RAK though.. Al Hamra is pretty sweet right now !!

[InnocentBystander]

Oh please not one more of those wifes who "were in real estate" (Read: Passed the Florida/Nevada/Arizona Realtor Exam and tried unsuccessfully to partake in the 2007/8 Real Estate Bubble) and followed their husbands to Dubai to be Jumeirah Janes and find that the salary of an EK F/O is not enough to actually be a Jumeirah Jane...

But back to the topic: It's actually quite good to move out of EK Accom and finally live a life among "normal" people; not the Cabin Crew Dormatories where Pilots are just a welcome add-on to add booze to the after party.

I would, however, not recommend it to a Dubai Newcomer. It takes a little bit of experience and insight into to the where and whats before to embark on the task of finding a suitable apartment/Villa.

Oh, and the realtors? They're only after your Best (= your money). There are a few that are genuinely good, but they're certainly not married to an EK Pilot... The few that I was in contact with were always only after the quick deal.

[Jet II]

Would just like to point out that at the moment housing have an excess of properties so anyone applying to move out has about a 6 month wait.

[Left Coaster]

Seems to be sore spot with the EK Real Estate Wife Brigade...:eek: Seems that when we were looking, the agent we ended up with (via a recommendation) showed only EK pilots villas despite a huge glut of excellent available properties on the market! At hugely inflated prices when compared with similar properties! Want some examples? I have plenty! How about a difference of over 50000 AED per year for two villas EXACTLY THE SAME! One was owned by an EK pilot! Can you guess which one? Oh yeah, we fired her butt! So ask your three ladies exactly whose head is up whose ass? As for your very obviously coached statement about type ratings? Is that all ya got? Your husband give you that zinger? Guessing at the source? Good intel? Seems your limited scope is that only EK pilots live here in the UAE, cause I am guessing that's all you know about! Time to expand the horizons, come out of your EK shell girls! Get out of DSO and see the rest of the place!
Simply put, you and your pals are using information anyone in aviation can come up with and then inflating the price for unsuspecting newbies to the market! And now the truth is out! Why dont you go back to your previous jobs? We hear flyDubai is hiring! Normally I would feel for the EK pilots who fly 95 hours a month, but you sound like a real treat so I am sure your husband doesn't mind all those hours away...:p
(With apologies to those who work an honest day, and to those who work hard despite horrible everchanging conditions...you know who you are!)

[Saltaire]

To play the contrarian, maybe this is a good time to purchase. Think of all the smart people buying 07, 08 ? :O

The math works reasonably well over more than 7 years, and at the current prices, I'd say the risk is low.

Renting is a good option as well, and why not take the co money and live outside the "firm".

If I was a single F/O.... Sign me up.

[InnocentBystander]

To play the contrarian, maybe this is a good time to purchase. Think of all the smart people buying 07, 08 ?

The math works reasonably well over more than 7 years, and at the current prices, I'd say the risk is low.

Could be, but don't forget that you won't see the true bottom of the market until they are allowed to forclose. The banks and mortgage companies are sitting on thousands of dead mortgages that they are forced to drag along.

Only on auction you see the true value of a property. And that hasn't happened here yet.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

SPW is just suggesting that RAK is a better place than DXB, for many reasons.

Also re property, yes a purchase is a better option than renting, but your working / life in UAE is only as good as yesterdays flight.

I know many crew whose ideal life style was terminated at the drop of the hat.

You have nothing to loos in talking to any agent in RAK or wherever, and yes they are all in it for the money.

Best regards, from the pool side in RAK.

Just driven to Terminal 2, and back to RAK, each journey took me 45 + 50 mins, off from RAK at 12am, and 2pm.


glf

[crazypilot]

Hi PRT2010,

I'm on a housing allowance. Live in the "downtown" area close to Dubai Mall / Burj Khalifa. Rent is 70k p.a. for a 1 bedroom / 2-bathroom, high-end (by DXB standards) apartment. 5 min walk to the mall / eateries / bars. 15 mins to the airport. Add to that agent commission (about 5% - 3,500) plus water/electricity - 100/month. So total is 75k yr - so pocket 1/2 the housing allowance.

So my point is with the way rents are in DXB right now...allowance is a good idea once you've had a few weeks to settle in and look around.

CP

[flybywire44]

Im surprised that there are not more people who use craigslist.org over there or some online real estate website.

…or do they?

[Gulfstreamaviator]

But now only for housing, yes always.. My property is listed on there. but NO follow up.
Also use dubizzle dot com,and get plenty of responses. (free service).

also www.olx (http://www.olx) dot ae is good

In response to a later post, there are plenty of search engines available, just look up property of sale / rent in Dubai.....

glf

[sheikmyarse]

Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, Iberia, THY (commuting contract), Alitalia..to name a few... basic FO salary in ek 24000 dhs ( 4800 euro) Captain 36000 dhs (7800 euro)
As I said the allowance should not be considered since most of the pilots are in company accommodation anyway. And if you have a long term plan is the only option.

[SassyPilotsWife]

I will accept your apology because I am one of those who is honest and works hard. I also work smart. You are choosing to make assumptions about me and place me in categories of 1. EK wives (plural is wives not wifes by the way), 2. agents who are here to make a buck because they have no real skill and should go back to a former career and 3. that I'm out to take an EK pilots money with exaggerated and inflated property cost with no regard to customer service. And the assumption that making a client very happy that he recommends his colleagues and friends to me is NOT what I strive for ? and 4. that I know NOTHING about aviation and my husband needs to coach me on it.

Well sir, again, you could not have been further from the truth. But the proof is in the pudding. Right?

It's unfortunate that you had the experience of a bad agent. It's even more unfortunate that a friend or colleague recommended her to you. But that doesn't make all agents bad. I WELCOME the opportunity to show you otherwise!

Glf,
You are SO right! And I am so happy to see that some more EK guys are headed our way now to be our neighbors! The drive is not that much of a difference at all and once we have about 4 more, my recommendation to hire a driver, buy a van and put him up in a studio for 18k a year and split the cost, just alleviated the drive issue. Especially after long haul trips. Once that cost is split, it is not bad at all and they are enjoying golf, marina, yacht club, shopping, golf club, various restaurants, venues, swimming pools, private beach and lagoon etc. all within walking distance. That's icing on the cake. For less than 1.3M for 4 bed villa ON the golf course. Why not? Try buying a 4 bed villa FULLY FURNISHED with all the amenities above for 1.2M where your neighbor across the street is directly on the golf course in DXB. Well I"VE GOT IT! Hmmm how much are the utility bills there???

Don't want to buy because your new to the UAE? Fine, go ahead and rent. The same villa for sale here with all the goodies above rents for less than 80k a year and the owners will take more than 1 cheque. ( my EK guy just bought for 1.15M and the original purchase price was 1.4M. TYVM! And before you say the owner was desperate or it was a distress sale, WRONG! and I know because it was MY listing! There ya go Mr. Left ASSumption, I sold my own listing for less.. thats less commission for me but my client is ecstatic! And there sir.. is the difference between any jumeirah jane agent and ME. He and his beautiful wife will be my neighbors,and our friends and she and I have plans on sharing wine on the balcony overlooking the lagoon and golf course. And he's bringing 2 friends who are looking at buying here rather than spending another 1 or 2M in Dubai and buying a boat! Where in Dubai can you walk out of your villa over to the marina and jump on your boat and go for less than 1.3M ? Or for you boys that are scared, your villa that you rented for 75k PA ( multiple cheques)

For the record, my previous career ? Real Estate. My future career? CEO of EK and I want to see you in my office the day I put my name plate on my cherry rosewood executive desk Mr! lol (j/k on that one:)

Yes there are those that say DONT BUY, DON"T RENT, live in DSO for free. Hey, DSO is decent. I was actually there for the first time a month ago while delivering a contract to a client. But there was no marina, no yacht club, no golf course, no beach. I'm not knocking DSO by any means! Please don't feel the need to defend why you're living there. IF i repeat IF ( there's your first clue Left) my husband's employer had housing for us there, we may possibly have still been there by now but it was NOT an option. On the contrary, FAR FROM IT!! The villa I was visiting was nice! And so was his wife and family. I really hate to see you bash any EK wife. And this one could have danced circles around your flight skills i'm sure :) Never assume because they are the wife of an EK pilot, they could never have been your former capt. ! But there are pilots living in EK quarters feeling the pressure and wanting to move out only to be told one bs story after another and they can't move. That choice has to be yours. I'd rather an apprehensive client hold back and move later where he/she is READY, WILLING and ABLE ( the ONLY client I prefer to work with) and happy than to right out of the gate jump into a lease or purchase and regret it. I'm not going anywhere and when someone is ready to see what the wild west of the UAE has down here vs other emirates c'mon down. Where else in the UAE can you live where there is no liquor license requirement, your neighbors don't give a crap about how much money you bring home, most don't care that you're a pilot because they actually like you for who you are, they don't close the liquor stores when the king dies and you can walk home after having too much fun. For the record, we have short term lease properties if you want to get your feet wet. I just took a listing today, fully furnished 3 bed villa with landscaped garden on the golf course for 60k on a 6 month lease or you can have it for 110 a year if you prefer to stay longer that includes garage with opener, showtime and etisalat cable already in place and rolling. Owner only request 2 weeks notice to plan move back to England. Best of luck guys!

[PRT2010]

I will confess to not being a great follower of PPRUNE as the topic tends to be replaced by off track, unhelpful and at times, useless mud slinging replies.

To CRAZYPILOT & those who sent me a PM - thank you, very interesting and with some good things to consider. CRAZYPILOT - Yr area is where I am looking initially.

To others who went off on one - thank you for wasting my time reading your replies. Not helpful and too a fairly simple question pls moan elsewhere!

SHEIKMYARSE: If you hate DXB/EK so much then can I assume you've handed in your notice and are on your way out? Also, going out on a limb here but I think some of your figures are wide of the truth slightly. For those you know who are up a smelly creek without a paddle - I'm sorry to hear that, however you make your choices and take your chances. :=

Personally for me I like Dubai and the package offered by EK. Since I first moved to DXB in the early 80's and then subsequently leaving 4 years later, I have watched the city grow and returned often for holidays; spending them with resident friends and, until recently, family. I've been round the aviation block a bit, so am under no grand illusion that EK's lawn is greener than anyone else's. Its just different. I have enough contacts in EK; from new F/O to Senior Management that I've heard most of the pro's and con's from all points. I've chosen EK, rightly or wrongly - its my choice. So while I head over to enjoy the pantomime pls comment on my original query, or enjoy your doom and gloom with those who want to listen (I hear BA/Iberia, Air France, Alitalia & Latehansa all have a good support group!) :ugh::D

For those of you still reading, my original query asked if anyone knew what buildings F/O's are being placed. I've got a few from current friends but been told theres new places.

Most likely taking the allowance at the moment, so any suggestions on good locations like CRAZYPILOT's greatly appreciated! Anyone tested the hotelapartments?

Thanks! :ok:

[Left Coaster]

Question for the ModS...are people allowed to advertise and sell property here on PPRUNE? Because it sure seems like it to me! The vitriol aimed my way for opening a little "whup ass" is easy to take, as the truth does hurt a little, and as we all know, trying to shout down facts is an old method of covering up one's shortcomings...ah well, happily I have no need to say anymore and end up in the slimey world of UAE real estate, trading "nyah nyah nyahs" over the internet! I hope that whether someone is a new joiner at EK, a renter, a buyer, or a seller...the experience is pleasant...best of luck, and try not to work too hard! It makes people cranky! :{

[Jihad Jim]

[quote=SassyPilotsWife;6276123] 4. that I know NOTHING about aviation and my husband needs to coach me on it...Unquote

Lie number one. Many of your other posts claim aviation credibility from the fact that you are the daughter of a 50 year service UAL pilot and of couse the wife of an f/o at midex on which you have also commented on variously.So we have established you have been at least conservative with the truth, so tell me again why I should trust you.


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GLF
You are SO right! And I am so happy to see that some more EK guys are headed our way now to be our neighbors! Unquote

He said terminal two so that would make him, at best , part of a contracted or associated company of EK. We wouldnt be seen dead on that side of the airport except the occaisional trip to a Charlie stand in Qusais.

There are many historical precedents at EK for not trusting the latest generation of "pilots wives" who perpetuate the cylcle of old news repackaged, same rip off, different intake.


To the original poster;
This board is mostly bolox,
take the accomodation, put your name down for opt out ( 7 months wait at the moment) have a look around, assess for yourself and make a decision. You will be busy enough at the beginning without extra hassle.

[SassyPilotsWife]

Your reply to me shows nothing more than lateral thinking, narrow-mindedness, followed by the risks of making assumptions, and judging people and situations.

If you want to attack me for no reason, please do me the honor first of clearly reading what I wrote both in this thread as well as any others you felt compelled to occupy in your head from the past. I was NOT making the statement that I knew nothing about aviation. It was Left who did. I was responding to his assumption of it.

If you want to quote me and then deliver a poorly executed reply, for God's sake, do it for which the content was intended. What does Glf coming from T2 have ANYTHING to do with my statement regarding more EK guys becoming our neighbors? I'm not quite sure where you related the relevance.

Jim, I don't recall asking for your trust. But I do have the trust of others. It was earned, not demanded.

You replied that I have stated my father is a UAL pilot and I'm the wife of a Midex FO. I did ? Really ? You specifically read that? or are you again, assuming.

This thread had a very simple question in it and my reply was very simple to him. There was no advertisement whatsoever. There were no agent's names dropped, no phone numbers, no email addresses, no websites advertised. PERIOD. There were no " facts to shout down" to disprove any shortcomings There have been threads and post all over Pprune where information has been shared with specific names of companies, doctors, CEO's, DO's as well as other sources of information gathering and advice offered, both good and bad and its not been questioned.
If any of you felt compelled to get involved in my reply to him then that was your choice how to waste your time and you opened up the can. Honestly, why? Sitting there alone and needed something to pacify your time as you reached the bottom of the bottle?

As PT stated, the choices are yours. In the end, who and what you choose is your choice. If you made bad choices because you didn't investigate or do your homework then that is on you.

I'm headed to Dubai and DSO today so if you see a silver SL500 pass by, wave to me. I'm very harmless :)

[Jihad Jim]

Methinks you doth protest too much.;)

[Left Coaster]

Officially an idiot I think...and now on ignore...waste of skin, you could make two good dogs from her! :p

[GoreTex]

Must be Brians wife

[donpizmeov]

SL500? Thats not not as fly as a G6 is it?

[samdaman]

As someone who is thinking of applying to the major airlines eventually, the below is my observation :

1. EK gives AED155000/year as housing allowance as stated. For a married couple, a two bedroom APARTMENT would cost in the region of AED80,000/year at most in Marina, Downtown Burj Dubai, Business Bay, JLT areas. Thats scope to save in my books. Why do people rent similar flats for around 120,000-140,000AED nowadays?? Surely there are cheaper options.

2. Dubais property market has been on the decline rent scale wise. dubizzle.com is a good source of finding great apartments with gyms, sauna, jacuzzi etc within the price range I mentioned.

3. I got myself a deal in DIFC area , 2 bedroom, 2 bathroom for AED750000/year with the best of views overlooking the sea, SZR etc. Same apartment is AED130,000 in Marina. A bit of persistent looking and searching should yield good results.

Just my two cents.

Sam

[Saltaire]

Why don't you brilliant minds send this great inside info to upper management for an award? Perhaps, just keeping dirham specifics off the public network would be a prudent idea. Next year, you'll be pocketing nada. Save it for the private sites...

[Jet II]

Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, Iberia, THY (commuting contract), Alitalia..to name a few... basic FO salary in ek 24000 dhs ( 4800 euro) Captain 36000 dhs (7800 euro)
As I said the allowance should not be considered since most of the pilots are in company accommodation anyway.

How is that relevant? - you either take the allowance in cold hard cash or the company accommodation, whatever route you take has to be taken into account as part of the overall package.

Air France, Lufthansa, British Airways, Iberia, etc. etc. do not pay either utilities allowance or provide housing - all those costs come out of your flat salary, so you need to compare like with like.



And if you have a long term plan is the only option.

Surely the 'long term plan' would be to take the allowance and let the company buy you an apartment? :confused:

[Dale Doback]

" Honestly, why? Sitting there alone and needed something to pacify your time as you reached the bottom of the bottle? "

Is this what happens in your house? Not only are you full of yourself or appear to be but you also appear to be lonely which troubles me. Talking about your fancy car which sounds wonderful, then about pilots that drink to the bottom of the bottle? Are you speaking about your marriage or childhood? I urge you to talk to someone. Many people with low self esteem talk the talk of how great things are and from the outside perhaps it looks that way but on the inside many are dying. Dying trying to keep up with the other wives, pilots with higher seniority bring you down, villa/flat rentals low, car payments high, no friends except collegues but you can't really say that they're friends. You get the picture don't you? Talk to someone and keep the selling-renting on the Spinneys message boards and lets keep this forum for what it is meant for.

[eagerbeaver1]

I will be joining soon and would like to know which building I might possibly be expected to be housed in? I am married no children.

I think millenium tower and al fattan were mentioned as we drove passed?

Are they pleasant or as rotten as that cabin crew one I was taken into?

[Mr Good Cat]

The apartments for unmarried FO's are fine.

Generally, they're new(ish), big and in relatively good locations.

Before moving to a villa, I was in the TECOM development by the Marina end of town... it's modern, big and has 2 nice pools and gyms.

Lots of guys recently put up in Manazel (Barsha) and Manazel (Safa) both of which are nice.

Are you sure you heard correctly about AL FATTAN...? This is a beach front skyscraper development at JBR. IT IS NOT an Emirates Crew Building...!!!

Maybe they meant to say 'Al Faltat' in Bur Dubai... this is mainly cabin crew, but the apartments are dark and enclosed and not in the best area. However they are huge if that's what you want.

By UK standards the apartments in EK are big and modern. The building quality (of the new places anyway) can be a little questionable, but most leaks and deficiencies can be fixed within a day or two).

Good Luck.

[YYZ]

Whilst i was in Dubai i had a look around millenium tower as a friend lives there, twas 10 times better than the place they show you, however, that does not mean you will not be given the apartment with the helipad view?

YYZ

[Bus429]

Just moved back to DXB after 16 years and have have got a one bed in the Marina area (Marsa Dubai) right opposite some decent hotels. Bit of a building site right now. DHS 52000 with appliances. DEWA about DHS 250 with max AC; DU about DHS 300 (the latter two sums monthly).

[chiquidejesus]

Are you sure you heard correctly about AL FATTAN...? This is a beach front skyscraper development at JBR. IT IS NOT an Emirates Crew Building...!!!


AL FATAN is mainly a cabin crew accomodation in Al Qusais. Not a very good area but close to the airport.