Fly Torair

[BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES]

A quick warning that the man in charge of all those loosing their money from the collape of XL Airways and Kiss Flights is at it again......PHIL WYATT!!! How does he get away with it? He will steal your money, run his airline into the ground, and sob on telly saying how sorry he is! You have been warned. Happy flighting.

[niknak]

No one is forcing anyone to work for him.

You make your own luck in this life - take it or leave it, but please don't whinge about it.:rolleyes:

[BUGS/BEARINGS/BOXES]

not whinging....just informing.

[qwertyuiop]

Was Wyatt not with Sabre and Peach also?

[BOAC]

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/360356-viking-airlines-24.html

[love22fly]

before we destroy another airline lets support people in this industry trying to bring britain out of a recession and providing jobs for thousands of people. i have a flight booked with torair this summer and it was far cheaper than easy jet. why should the history of a person effect future business when posts like this are more likely to do more damage. think before you rant.

[LGS6753]

One of the problems with predecessor airlines was that they were too cheap - in other words taking money, but not enough to provide the service.

Another bankruptcy will do nothing to take Britain out of recession - it will cost the industry, the passengers and the staff of the failed business very dear.

If you want to do your bit and 'help Britain out of recession' - holiday at home, or if going abroad, at least travel with a British-registered and British-crewed carrier that is charging realistic fares.

/End of thoughtful rant/

[love22fly]

If we were all to fly with british carriers with british crews then we wouldn't get anywhere can you mention any airline apart from the 2 bigboys that dont charge ridiculous fees for the rich bankers that destroyed our country in the first place. if we want to be able to provide holidays for everyone and every class then we have to except and respect those who are whilling to provide that service no matter where they are from and thier history. being bitter and un-informed about rumours is no solution.

[Hotel Tango]

love22fly are you for real? Ah, I see now, 1st post. I guess you must be Wyatt himself.

[love22fly]

no not him i'm afraid! your obviously another ranter! is it too hard to beleive that there is someone positive in this world and we're not all uptight and serial moaners. please forgive my positivity i didnt mean to offend anyone. i just booked flights with torair and dont understand why i have found all of the comments previous to this. i think its a crazy world we live in. we'll all moan one day when we are walking to our holidays.

[compton3bravo]

I can tell you Love22fly why people are annoyed because the Wyatt's of this world have left a trail of bad debts, people losing jobs, etc etc for a number of years and a lot of people are still owed a lot of money. That is why people are so upset and if you have booked a flight with Torair all I can say is good luck pal!

[learjet50]

I totalally agree with Hotel Tango

You obviously have no idea the Heartbreak and Upset this Man Wyatt has caused in the past

If you had read all the previous forums concerning this Man you would not go anywhere near this Man let alone give him your money

As you are new to these forums you will notice all the rouges keep coming back again and again all with the same names

They bring Misery and heartbreak to lots of people


Have a Nice Flight if you get Airbourne

[love22fly]

well... this conversation is well too deep for me you obviously all need therapy. ive booked my flight on my credit card so im protected :) ill post a comment when ive returned.

[73addict]

Let us all take a breath for a minute and discuss the reality.

Flying with Torair you will, probably, be fine as long as you are planning a holiday before Sept, Oct! See previous form, XL sank 12 Sept and Viking AB/UK 19 Oct.
You will, however, be flying with crews that are underpaid, overworked, and only there as there is nowhere else to go!
The onboard service will be poor. Not due to crew, for the most part, but the food prices comfort etc. YOU BUY CHEAP YOU GET CHEAP!!!
Don't expect any issues you have to be listened to on any questionnaire or through a phone call!

By all means fly with them but remember you choose to do so at your own risk! You may pay the price of a lost holiday or money you cannot afford to lose. ONCE BITTEN TWICE SHY A THIRD TIME................!

love22fly are you seriously saying that there are no airlines who charge cheap fees!!! You are ill informed if you think that airlines are for certain people. A holiday is also about a package and the cheapest flight does not always end up with the cheapest holiday. Also depends where in the World you want to go, for how long and at what time of year.

Here are a few facts for you: BA have many European flights which are cheaper than Easy and the charters. Fact! Virgin have great offers to the US/Carib again some cheaper than the Charters. Fact! Holiday is about research to find the best deals at the right time this does not mean choosing a company because of hear say but to actually do some leg work. As a frequent traveller I have found some exceptional deals with most carriers.

Back to this outfit, I will never fly on an airline run by PW and co because I have a firm grasp on my morals and will not contribute to his bank balance increasing and his employees being left high and dry and with nothing.

Karma has a way of working things out.

[True Blue]

maybe love22fly should refer to the business section of the sunday times today, another article, if he chooses to not believe what has been posted here.

\tb

[Airbus321-200]

Has anyone else noticed a trend? positive comments about cowboy airlines/travel companies by new members?

Welcome back Wyatt clan! i think the user name ki55xla is still available to match your car plates.

And i fully agree with 73addict and i've said it before, If you are flying before Sept you should be fine despite some major delays i'm sure.

[G-VCED]

Notice if you type "Torair" into google, pprune is in the top 10.

[Dropline]

love22fly

When are you due to travel? I'm sure we'd all be keen to hear about your experience of flying Torair when you return. At least you know what aircraft you'll be flying on, as according to their website, they've just got the one 737-400. Best of British!

[sam1993]

Dropline,

And it also says that the fleet will increase by 2 737-300s beofre the summer!

[LGS6753]

"Fly with British-registered airlines employing British-based crew"

There's plenty of choice -

Thomson
Thomas Cook
EasyJet
British Airways
Monarch
FlyBe
Virgin Atlantic
British Midland

Between them that little lot will get you virtually anywhere.
In general, on time, using properly-maintained aircraft, operated legally, according to well drafted procedures and for a price most can afford.

Sorry, that was me just being positive:ok:

[sam dilly]

Hi lovely
I have read your posts with interest.
just another little snippet for you.
If you buy an ATOL protected seat this year about £1.70 goes directly to the CAA to help pay off the debts of previous Wyatt failures + about 5p on every credit card payement goes towards refunding the banks over the CC losses , in respect of, yes you've guessed it Wyatt.
Yes we all know what he is like, we all have and are paying for his past failures.

[TSR2]

There is Jet2 also.

[Philwyatt]

:\be careful my lawyers are watching!

[EGGP]

:\be careful my lawyers are watching!

Well presumably because you haven't threatened to sue the contributors to this thread the comments made must be factually correct or fair comment. What do you say Mr Wyatt?

[Albert Hall]

be careful my lawyers are watching!

I'm sure they are. Keeping out of court must be a day to day challenge requiring a small army of highly paid lawyers given the track record emerging here.

[Philwyatt]

Freedom of speech is correct
I dont want to take any legal action -but when comments
are pure libel and vindictive ,you must take a position

Please find it in yourselves as Airline professionals to review the TRUE position as opposed to being SHEEP...

It took over ten years to build XL - i am not a short term person...
Its not my fault or anyone individual why Icelands banking system collapsed ..followed by the UK

My mandate has always been a safe and secure operation first and this
has and will never change,
There are many pilots to choose from but i personally would only want the best in XL or any business i was involved in


The UK Aviation business now has NO room for entrepeneurs like myself so please sleep easy and vent your venom on those who deserve it
i will carry on in other interests that fall outside of ownership or Airline investment.


In this sector Mr Cameron will have to wait for the countries saviour!


Goodnight and please be balanced with your views and try and improve the industry as oppoesed to making it the laughing stock of commerce
with ALL the gossip and rubbish that is digested

If some on PPRUNE are as good as you convey ..why dont you put your hands in your pockets risk your assets / houses/cars etc etc..and DO IT!

GOOD LUCK


:D For those who have a brain and use it and get on with life and business and put their own money where their moths and index
finger sit..


:sad: Those who work for the VIs who cannot see their model needs to change and will be replaced by ACMI aircraft SUMMER ONLY crewed by EU nationals or Canadians as part of VI model (very sensible by the way!)
and reduce costs.... if HIGH fuel doesnt do it natrually


:bored: Those who havent got a clue and will post some more bxxx about me
or something else because they are spineless and nameless people
(that can be traced) but are clueless SHEEP....




:mad: To the smiley girl in the corner of the office

[love22fly]

im due to fly in october. well said mr phil wyatt. looking forward to my holiday. :)

[Aerofoil]

We should try putting our house/car/assets at risk?!
Thats what most pilots do in order to fund their training. This was also risked in much greater depth when Viking decided oh well we aren't going to pay our staff money they have earnt and are also entitled to. Viking decided not to pay me almost £12,500 and the knock on effect of that was that i'v had to sell my car and my parents house was at risk of being repossessed! Now it seems the people responsible for this are attempting to get back into business under a new umbrella so they can run away from money they owe their hard working staff!

To the people responsible..... Shame on you. The fact you can sleep at night speaks volumes about your character!

[Airbus321-200]

I was wondering when the next love22fly comment would pop up praising the Wyatts.
If that is Phil Wyatt commenting, i'm sure his "legal" team would advise not too. The reason why people are so negative about you and any operation you are linked with is because of your history. Also you have pissed off alot in the industry leaving people struggling to pay bills etc while you sit back in your mansion.
You use the same system everytime and it fails and with fuel costs rising i personally dont think it will last ( my opinion).
If you are getting peeved at the stuff being said on this forum then don't join in or look at this website.
I do believe Phil Wyatt took the fall for the XL collapse but again i do believe he didnt keep track of the business and let others run it into the ground.

[EGGP]

If some on PPRuNe are as good as you convey ..why dont you put your hands in your pockets risk your assets / houses/cars etc etc..and DO IT!


So did you lose your home/car etc when XL or Viking failed Mr Wyatt? Did you have to apply for council housing after you lost your personal fortune when the company went bust? I somehow doubt it, but I'm sure that your previous employees would be interested to know the facts if this is the case.


Now I don't normally believe anything in the daily Mail so I am prepared to be informed if this article is incorrect;
Public enemy number one: The rise and fall of the XL chief - a man who was born to be a high flier | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1055322/Public-enemy-number-The-rise-fall-XL-chief--man-born-high-flier.html) This asset could have paid quite a few staff who were not paid wages at the time.

The questions raised by other contributors seem to be about the fundamental viability of the business model that the companies you ran were operating.

[love22fly]

what the hell are you talking about airbus??????? your one crazy individual!!!!!!!! YOU ALL NEED THERAPY

[EGGP]

The UK Aviation business now has NO room for entrepeneurs like myself so please sleep easy and vent your venom on those who deserve it
i will carry on in other interests that fall outside of ownership or Airline investment.

One more question Mr Wyatt; given your comment above if you are not involved with Torair, why make the comment about your lawyers watching; when the contributions prior to your post no 23 were about the chances of Torair lasting longer than the summer? Why didn't you just clarify that you are not involved with this company?

[73addict]

love22fly: Yes I am sure many of us need therapy but that is due to the stress, anxiety and financial ruin that has been heaped onto us by PW.

I know many people, who were in Viking and XL, who bent over backwards trying to make it work. What did they all get NOTHING not even the courtesy of a call to say it was over just a generic dear colleague letter, from VIK, saying :mad: off!
Money not paid for work done! Forget the statutory rights for a moment.

Oh and no actual communication from XL at all. Just the administrators there to greet crews when they got back. Nice personal touch there!

If you are in actual fact Phil Wyatt then I would take a long hard look at yourself. Families and their innocent children have paid the price for your apparent "entrepreneurship". I would welcome your response to this.

[love22fly]

god get over it man!!!

[TSR2]

May I suggest you read the Viking thread and then maybe, just maybe, you will understand the damage that has been caused to peoples lives through the collapse of XL and Viking. If you cannot understand, then you must be heartless or your name is Wyatt.

Move on ? ... I'm sure they have but they will never forget whilst they are owed substantial amounts of money.

[73addict]

love22fly in what world do you live where you think it is appropriate to make comments like "get over it" when you obviously have no idea of the impact on our lives from the fallout of the failures of XL and Viking. Words truly fail me as to your complete ignorance and sympathy to all those caught up in this debacle!
You are probably one of those selfish morons who would moan about the loss of their holiday before thinking about all those innocent employees whose lives have just been turned upside down and the impacts on their families. Yes we all understand it is frustrating to miss out on a holiday and the upset involved, but for once step back and consider the real fallout!
I second TSR2's comments. Read the XL threads, the Viking thread and then come back with an informed comment. The only thing I can think of is that you are in some way linked to the PW clan otherwise you would not be supporting them so keenly.

[Zelo]

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/wibble.gifbe careful my lawyers are watching!

We know they are; the glitch on the flytorair.com site that over the weekend proved they are absolutely linked to Viking has since been rectified. I do hope somebody got a screen print.

Nothing on this thread is incorrect. Entrepeneurship?! If the likes of TOM and TCX can keep people like you out of the UK market, then I am delighted to throw my cash at them.

[windshear12]

Hey to all,

I dont post very often but just wanted to say that it would probably be best if nobody even responded to this love22fly. I think the responses from this individual sum up what is the greatest problems in the UK these days. Lack of education, lack of knowledge and to compensate for this lots of mouth and attitude.

[love22fly]

i dont understand how you can say that you dont know how ive been educated etc?? your just as crazy as everyone else on here. ALL IVE DONE IS BOOK A FLIGHT WITH A COMPANY. ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR SAD LIFES PUTTING DOWN OTHERS, BEING NEGATIVE AND SPREADING RUMOURS. ITS A SAD SAD WORLD

[compton3bravo]

The way you have written your last reply love22fly it looks as if you did not have a very good English teacher - the grammar and spelling is terrible. Suggest you have a few lessons on how to write the English language properly and while you are it also on how to respect your fellow human beings!

[Ziggy22]

He/She doesn't care about anyone else, it's all ME, ME and more ME!! We offer Adult Literacy Level 2 if you get in touch!:}

[plumponpies]

I'm not interested in getting into a slanging match with anyone.
If you are in the privileged position of being permenantly employed by a large airline with all the benefits attached, then it is easy to take a black and white view.
Likewise, if you are a member of the travelling public who has the ability to pay a higher premium for travelling abroad with the "bigger" carriers.
Unfortunately I am neither.
So would I like to work for such an airline? Well if it means I don't have to leave my family and travel halfway around the world to find work, then yes, damn right I would.
Would I book a holiday with such an operator, then yes again. The only caveat I would add, is that I would ensure I had adequate insurance. Which is a sensible policy with any holiday booking.

[PPRuNe Pop]

Folks. This thread is what a thread should not be. Witch-hunt, abusive, and people USING PPRuNe for their own advantage.

This thread is now closed. Do not start another in a similar vein or that too will be closed or even banned.

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