Saudi 747 Oops.

[chuckunu]

Hope all okay.
One way to ground the Classics.

260 Passengers in Narrow Escape at Medina Airport

By ARAB NEWS

Published: Feb 17, 2011 23:05 Updated: Feb 17, 2011 23:05

JEDDAH: Passengers on board a Saudia flight from Indonesia had a narrow escape on Wednesday night when two of the engines on their Boeing 747 reportedly caught fire after landing at Madinah's Prince Muhammad International Airport.

According to sources at the airline, the aircraft was going too fast when it turned off the runway. It tipped to the side and the wing struck the ground, wrecking two other jets on the tarmac.

The 260 passengers on board the Saudia aircraft were rescued and taken to the terminal.

None of the passengers on board flight SV817 was hurt. However, eyewitnesses reported that some of the passengers experienced panic attacks. The flight, which had originated in Jakarta, had made a stopover in Riyadh before flying on to Madinah.

Khaled Al-Khaibari, spokesman for the General Authority of Civil Aviation, said that the Saudia Jumbo jet had landed in Madinah at 8.30 p.m. Wednesday after coming from Riyadh.

He confirmed that no injuries had been logged.

[vtwo]

I can Not confirm this but I heard that it's Left Main Gear went off the taxi way and it sunk a bit. All Pax left via airstairs, not really a big deal. But then I may be wrong. Any one have facts?
Vtwo

Better yet Pictures.

[Semaphore Sam]

I heard a rumour the Aircraft may be a write-off...any truth to this? Sam

[akerosid]

Was this actually a Saudia aircraft, or a lease in (i.e. Air Atlanta?)

[MrMachfivepointfive]

Incident: Saudia B743 at Madinah on Feb 16th 2011, runway excursion on landing

By Simon Hradecky, created Friday, Feb 18th 2011 02:29Z, last updated Friday, Feb 18th 2011 02:29ZA Saudi Arabian Airlines Boeing 747-300, registration HZ-AIS performing flight SV-817 from Riyadh to Madinah (Saudi Arabia) with 265 passengers, veered left off Madinah's runway 17 and came to a stop with the left hand main gear and the left body gear about 3 meters off the paved surface while landing in Madinah at around 20:15L (17:15Z). No injuries occurred, the airplane received damage to the left hand flaps that contacted the ground as result of the runway excursion and wheels sinking into soft ground. The passengers disembarked onto the runway via mobile stairs.

Metars:
OEMA 162000Z 26004KT CAVOK 21/M02 Q1014 NOSIG
OEMA 161900Z 23005KT CAVOK 22/00 Q1014 NOSIG
OEMA 161800Z 26012KT CAVOK 23/M01 Q1014 NOSIG
OEMA 161700Z 24014KT CAVOK 23/03 Q1013 NOSIG
OEMA 161600Z 25015KT 9000 NSC 24/02 Q1012 NOSIG
OEMA 161500Z 23014KT 9000 NSC 26/02 Q1011 NOSIG
OEMA 161400Z 25020KT 9000 NSC 27/00 Q1010 NOSIG

[Flingwing47]

Hi folks,

facts as I was told them from my trip to MED yesterday - very experienced Saudia Captain at the helm, expat FO - problems with reverse thrust, maybe uncommanded max reverse trust on right side - acft exited runwway 17 as it neared Taxiway B, ended up completely on the dirt parallel to, but off, Taxiway B with the tail about 80m from Rwy 17 and facing west. Left main gear collapsed, engs 1 and 4 in the dirt. Left wing bent.
Still there today, with blow up bags under fuselage and left wing.
NO fire, but may have been dust through the engs causing some interesting special effects !!

cheers

[EK2EYengineer]

It is very very sad to see this machine is gone i have seen the pictures i have some good very good memories of this aircraft as i flew on it as a flying spanner on RUH-JFK-RUH and fareast i know the captain personally very friendly, experienced and well respected.

[Earl]

Would rather wait on mutt to give us the real story here with good info and not speculation.
All of ex Saudia know his word is most trusted.
Dont see how an engine not coming out of max thrust on landing could have caused this as other actions would have been taken.

[mutt]

I don't "speculate" on ANY incident/accident. I'm not in Jeddah to get facts, hence my silence. FO is a friend, so also respecting the fact that he has enough paperwork to complete without any wild speculation.

Sam, you have to remember that these aircraft are schedule for retirement in the coming year or two, so the threshold for declaring an aircraft as a economic write off will be very low.


Mutt

[m00]

i think as a pilot who flow the 747 classic i think the pilot exited the high speed taxi way faster than normal and caused the ac to tip to the side where he couldnt control the direction and .................?

[4HolerPoler]

This 747 is so far from the black stuff it no longer an airplane but an agricultural implement

http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=107532&t=1

http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=107530&t=1

[TATprobe]

So m00, what experience do you have "flowing" the 747, then?

The stories about an uncommanded max reverse deployment on number 4 engine appear to be correct. The aircraft had landed on Runway 17, and was taxi-ing on "B" taxiway when the engine slammed into full reverse, and the aircraft departed the taxiway and ended up a few metres to the right, and sank in soft ground. I haven't heard of an uncommanded application of reverse thrust on a 747 before, but it is just as well that it didn't occur in the air, as happened to the Lauda Air 767 some years ago, when the wing was ripped off.

Moral: Don't trust a word that the reptiles in the press ever write, and don't rush to judgement.

[GlueBall]

"I haven't heard of an uncommanded application of reverse thrust on a 747 before, but it is just as well that it didn't occur in the air, as happened to the Lauda Air 767 some years ago, when the wing was ripped off."


TATprobe: The B767-300 wing was NOT ripped off...!

Subsequent large control inputs applied during flight at speeds in excess of the airplane's operating envelope had induced structural loads in excess of the ultimate strength of the airplane structure.

Because corrective action [No 1 thrust lever to idle, application of right aileron/rudder to maintain level attitude] was not initiated within 6 seconds, the airplane had rolled beyond 90 degrees [on its back] and into a dive. Analysis of the major structural damage showed that the failures were the result of buffeting, maneuvering overload, and excessive speed. Parts of the airplane that separated were pieces of the rudder and the left elevator..."

In flight reverser deployment by itself did not cause structural failure.

For comparison, there are other airframe makers, among them the McDonnell Douglas DC-8, where maximum reverse thrust may be deployed IN FLIGHT on the inboard engines.

[TATprobe]

GlueBall,
I stand corrected!

Net effect, however was that the aircraft broke up. In the case of the Saudia 747, the fact that the crew were unable to react quickly enough to the reverse deployment to prevent the taxiway excursion casts doubt on whether they would have reacted fast enough in the air to prevent a similar scenario to Lauda Air.

I flew the DC-8, and the difference there is that the use of MCT reverse inflight was only on the inboard engines, so the asymmetry due to one being in reverse would be less serious than if it had been an outboard engine. In the case of the Saudia aircraft, it would be interesting to know which interlocks failed to allow the uncommanded full reverse thrust to occur.

Murphy will always win!:ugh:

[sidman]

Hope it works out for everyone.. The FO is a friend of mine had dinner with him Wed night seems to be holding up well.

[Duhguy]

Has anyone here ever flown the 747???? Brake problems??? Thrust Reversers???? First of all the FO and the FE should be immediately exonerated, given a raise and be put back on line as by the time they could have noticed what the other guy did it would have been too late. Several thousand feet of runway exists after taxi way B thus probably a high speed exit on a high speed taxi way. All it takes is the flip of one commonly used switch at just a little bit to high of speed and that airplane is going the opposite direction it was being steered toward. It sure would be convenient if it were a brake/reverser problem, but I sure hope that these two fellows are not being punished because an arrogant Captain cant admit to his own mistake.

[FENA57]

Mutt what's the story on Saudia selling the 747-300 I see them parked five in a row at Jeddah?

[cantbeafoolinlove]

really,,,,u call urself FENA and location honolulu asking about SV743s about to be given to PIA. seems like a F/E based in honolulu somewhere in pakistan.:D
CBAFIL

[mutt]

They are for sale, but i have no idea if they will make it to another airline or become pepsi cans. They have already started scrapping the -100's. This means that they only have the -200F in cargo operations, 3-SP's and 1-300 in the VIP fleet.

Mutt