Avgas price in Australia and New Zealand

[QDMQDMQDM]

Just wondering what the current avgas price is in Australia and New Zealand?

The price here in the UK is now heading North of Aus$3.20 / litre.

Thanks,

QDM

[Jabawocky]

We are being ripped off at $1.80/ L and it will vary by location. Buy a drum in remote places and it will be $3+

[gassed budgie]

We are being ripped off at $1.80/ L and it will vary by location


Well don't go to Mildura if you're looking for cheap Avgas. The price there at the moment is $2.03/lt. That's about .30 cents/lt dearer than what you can get it for in YSBK or YMEN the last time I checked. That equates to around a $100.00 more if I need to fill the 210. Ripoff indeed.

[Chimbu chuckles]

QDM the last price I saw quoted in UK recently was GBP1.60/lt.

In my view if you're earning Pounds that is not a lot different to paying AU$1.60/lt in Australia when you earn AU$.

The latest exchange rate GBP/AUD is 1.60. So when I put some avgas in my mates Cherokee at White Waltham its costing ME about AU$2.56/lt. That is the only time exchange rates come into the question. Actually more like Br$3.20/lt because I earn Brunei/Sin $s not Oz$.

It would be as silly as you saying that you Ozzies have it so good/flying is so cheap in Australia because you only pay GBP1.06/lt for avgas.

On the general point of avgas cost...a litre of the highest quality/octane fuel you can buy for your car in Oz was AU$1.40-1.50/lt last I filled my BN car a few weeks ago. Given all the issues that attend Avgas (small refining quantities/transport & storage issues bought on because of the lead content etc - and, yes, that is just a result of greeny BS) I am not sure I can get too worked up about paying an extra 30 cents a litre for avgas.

What I DO get very worked up about is the level of taxation and what we get back for that Tax...ZERO. That is a different argument. I pay 30 cents a litre for diesel in Brunei and petrol is 50 cents a litre. Everything else you pay in UK/Oz is tax.

[Jetjr]

Keep in mind the premium fuel sold for cars has massive road tax included, AVGAS does not
So comparable prices arent quite as listed. The difference between them is much greater

[chimbu warrior]

Avgas is still a bargain compared to bottled water, but I don't recommend drinking it.

[Jabawocky]

........ but your beer was nice and cold! :ok:

[gassed budgie]

Keep in mind the premium fuel sold for cars has massive road tax included, AVGAS does not.



I was speaking to some Shell guys recently at YPAD and YPPF and they were of the opinion that Avgas should be around the same price, but no more than 10% dearer than 98PULP. One thing they specifically mentioned in coming to this conclusion was the lack of the fuel excise on Avgas.
I also mentoined the price we're being asked to pay out in the country to a petroleum distributor I took for a run last Sunday and he figured it shouldn't be more than 10 cents per litre difference than what you pay for it down in the big smoke.
I reckon that 30 cents per litre more is a little over the top.

[Shredder6]

What is the price /L in NZ anyone know?

[aldee]

Retail price for BP at Rangiora is 2.0536 + 15% gst = $2.3616 lt
Due to our volume usage we get a discount off this , at 190 lts / hr + 2 lt oil we need to:ooh:

[On Track]

Avgas at Queenstown is NZD 2.26/litre including GST.

[QDMQDMQDM]

Chimbu,

£1.60, I don't think so! I know what the farmer at our strip buys his fuel in at and our next lot of fuel is going to be priced at £1.86, with him making a very small profit. Here is the league table for the UK:

FLYER Forums • View topic - Avgas Price League Table (http://bit.ly/eP5m4r)

We have just had our VAT go up and we will all be North of £2 per litre soon. Many are already.

Flying is undoubtedly better value in Oz than in the UK. OTOH, the distances are greater and you can't nip over to France, so I am certainly not wide-eyed. But the price differential is remarkable.

Best,

QDM

[Tinstaafl]

For another comparison, in the US the price can vary as much as double within a couple of hundred miles. Miami Intl (MIA) is always the most expensive in S. Florida. No competition at that airport and the FBO chain is an expensive one. Currently US$8.00/USG. Only 23nm away at Homestead avgas is US$4.50 /USG self serve & US$4.75 full serve.

Meanwhile, a bit over 200 nm away, in N. central Florida, Palatka (28J) has if for US$3.79 /USG self serve. That's about the cheapest in FL although there are others closer to MIA still under $4/gal. Many. many more in the $4-$5 range.

[Lindstrim]

Shell $1.72 NZ per litre

[diddly squat]

So you are sayng thee are no taxes levivied on AVGAS in Australia ??

[chimbu warrior]

Plenty of taxes, but they are built in to the price.

Stopped for gas last week and it was A$2.09/litre.

[Super Cecil]

So you are sayng thee are no taxes levivied on AVGAS in Australia ??

We are now paying $2:10 to $2:40 (Depending where), you can buy premium ULP for $1:50. How do you work out we are not paying duty/taxes? A couple of years ago (Well mebe more) I remember paying around 60C a litre when lil johnny's friend John Anderson was aviation or minister for transport. They decided it wasn't fair for those rich aircraft owners to get fuel so cheap so the price went up to around $1:10? I'm not sure if it was duty, tax or just cause they could but Avgas definately has some component of gov ripoff.

[VH-XXX]

$2 a litre around Melbourne or more.

Would be interested to know Jabba if there is less tax on your Avgas somehow as there is on petrol?

For those that don't know, the taxes are far less in Qld on regular unleaded petrol.

[Jabawocky]

XXX

That state rebate ended a few years back when Anna Bligh was desperate for cash.........and avgas was not part of that then anyway.

Chimbu Warrior.......pump says $2.06 so either it changes when it detects your wallet near by, your eyes might be deceiving you:uhoh:

[BlatantLiar]

Massive disparity between some of the prices people have been quoting, taking locations into consideration.

[Pilotette]

Don't divert to Yuendemu due thunderstorms, it's less painful being struck by lightening :ugh:

[belly tank]

Avgas $2.08 in Newcastle NSW area

[Super Cecil]

country NSW $2:11 to $2:15 last week, ole mate said it was going up this week.

[baswell]

Sounds like some people need to dust off that MOGAS STC and put a 205 litre drum on the back of the ute.

[Jabawocky]

Bas

Even those who don't have the STC....... Mind you, it is not that simple.

Octane's ain't octanes sol;)

[jas24zzk]

didley squat asked....

So you are sayng thee are no taxes levivied on AVGAS in Australia ??

There is NOTHING in Oz that is not taxed, even dinga's have a cumulative tax of around 38% of the 'sticker' price.

----------------------------
On a more serious note, Octane rating.

Wasn't the Merlin originally designed to run on about 80-85 octane of dubious quality? Prime candidate to run mogas if i ever saw one....the STC should be free!

soz can't help being jovial in a clearly serious comment.

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

So you are sayng thee are no taxes levivied on AVGAS in Australia ??

Australia?
Impose taxes??
Does a one legged duck swim in circles???

Thieving bastards.

Jet A-1 is about $1 US everywhere I've been lately outside of Oz, yet it's only 10c cheaper then avgas here.:mad:

[Angle of Attack]

Does a one legged duck swim in circles???

Off topic but the answer is no actually.

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

OK.....
Does a one legged duck need to compensate so as not to swim in circles?

Yes.

Happy?

No sense of humour, some people...........:rolleyes:

[beaf]

$2.12 inc gst here at NZCH

[criticalmass]

Avgas 100LL currently $2.107 in YWOL from the bowser.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

From the BP Truck - April AVGAS price at JT = 201.7c / L

May price not avbl as yet.....

:ok:

[diddly squat]

I am sure one of the political gurus here would know the break down of Avgas taxes.

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

ON my last bill:
Avgas 1.798
Excise Duty 0.03556
Then add GST on top of that.
comes to 201.69 cents per litre.

Plus of course the Location Specific Charging that we were told would replace the avgas levy. :mad:

[27/09]

Lindstrim Shell $1.72 NZ per litre

Where's that, I be over to fill up, again and again at that price.

[aseanaero]

Avgas is getting harder and harder to get here in Indo and the last 6 drums I bought it was approx. A$2.60 litre in 2010 at the Pertamina depot at Halim Airport in Jakarta , double the price of Avtur . Piston engine twins are all parked here and being sold off or already rotten as nobody uses them for charters anymore due to the logistics of getting avgas , it can take up to 2 months to get fuel delivered to some areas and the price can be $5 to $10 litre for remote areas by the time it's transported.

Flying schools are running on 75% auto fuel 25% avgas blend and there's been a lot of problems with auto fuel quality.

It's pricey in Oz but at least it's available

[Shredder6]

Anyone know of a current price at Ardmore?

[frigatebird]

Presently $2.16/litre on the Fraser Coast, - Where, and When, you can get it....( some places closed, and when others run out there can be a wait for a tankerload)

[Charlie Foxtrot India]

Just had a letter from my fuel supplier to say that due to the Carbon "Price" after 1 July "the rate of exise will increase from 3.556 to 8.61 cpl"

:mad::mad:

It's a price and an excise but not a tax, noooooo :mad:

[Lindstrim]

27/09,

That was the price in TG early in 2011 ex GST, if I recall correctly.

Now its gone up to approx $2.50 not 100% sure now.

[Jabawocky]

What have we got to do to stop this crap:mad:

Another 5 cents per litre. :mad:

That is another $550 a year for the plane, another $300 or so for the cars, electricity probably another $500 and I have yet to start on work expenses going up nor food and all other living expenses.

They have killed off the ability to save more than $25k in super, right now when I can actually stash some away, kill off the 30% health care rebate :mad::mad::mad:

I can see my family being $30k pa worse off now. And I bet a lot f ALP voters will be too.

Did I mention I am not happy?:mad:

[jas24zzk]

And they wonder why politicians get shot!

[golow]

If you want private health insurance go for it but don’t ask me to pay my hard earned taxes to rebate you by 30%. Should I ask the people of this country to pay their taxes and give me 30% of my aircraft insurance? I think not!

[Jabawocky]

If you want private health insurance go for it but don’t ask me to pay my hard earned taxes to rebate you by 30%. Should I ask the people of this country to pay their taxes and give me 30% of my aircraft insurance? I think not!

Golow,

I really do feel like giving you a severe berrating over this, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt, because you are probably naive about such matters.

Let me explain. My wife and I pay $3552 for private health cover, so we get a $1056 discount of our taxes each year.

My wife and I pay around $7940 or more each year in Medicare Levy.

So, if you want it that way, I don't want the taxpayers paying my medical insurance at all, but I will be farkked if I am paying the $8K PA as well, nope I would be far better off if I had that money invested each year. The Dr's and hospitals could charge me full cop and I would be better off self insured.

So now take your small minded short term thinking and apply this across the country.

Golow, I generally do not mind paying higher taxes to live in this country, and to look after the pensioners etc, but it is small minded morons like you that I really hate subsidising. Wake up lad.

Here is some interesting reading.
In summary, the Report found that as a consequence of means-testing the 30% Rebate:


1.6 million Australians will exit their private hospital cover (compared to Treasury estimates of only 25,000), with a further 4.3 million downgrading their level of cover;
Private health insurance premiums will rise 10 per cent above what would otherwise be expected, making private cover less affordable for all Australians; and
Pressure on the public hospital system will increase as more than 845,000 additional treatments will be required as people withdraw from their private cover at an estimated cost to government of $3.8 billion.

Impact of Means Testing the 30% Rebate | You Should Know (http://youshouldknow.com.au/you-should-know-about-our-activities/government-proposal-to-means-test-your-rebate/)

Now what has aircraft insurance got to do with this? When the government legislate compulsory aircraft insurance on ALL taxpayers...............nahhh just too stupid to continue, :ugh: You need a few years to grow up a little before you can argue this debate.

Here is a comical but true fact of life for you.
Recently, while I was working in the flower beds in the front yard, my
neighbors stopped to chat as they returned home from walking their
dog.

During our friendly conversation, I asked their 12 year old daughter
what she wanted to be when she grows up. She said she wanted to be
Prime Minister some day.

Both of her parents – Socialist Labor- were standing there, so I
asked her, "If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing
you would do?"

She replied, "I'd give food and houses to all the homeless people."

Her parents beamed with pride!


"Wow! what a worthy goal!" I said. "But you don't have to wait until
you're Prime Minister to do that!" I told her.

"What do you mean?" she replied.

So I told her, "You can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull
weeds, and trim my hedge, and I'll pay you $50. Then you can go over
to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can
give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house."


She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight
in the eye and asked, "Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do
the work, and you can just pay him the $50?"


I said, "Welcome to the Liberal Party."

[LewC]

Much better to dump your Private Health Insurance and just go Public.This will allow golow to pay his hard earned taxes to rebate you by 100%.That's got to be a lot better than his current miserable 30% contribution.

[Jabawocky]

Yep.....should have done that with schooling as well, I could have saved $300K plus by now (maybe more:uhoh:) and loaded up the public schools just that little bit more.

Again I pay a butt load in taxes and I can assure Golow that my school fees were NOT supported equally per student. I pay more in taxes and get less in government support for education. OK so I pay a bit more, the price of success, but getting less equitable support in schools. That is wrong.

I don't mind paying my fair share and paying a bit extra even, so long as I see value for my taxes, which I do not. But being short changed at the same time really pi$$es me off! :mad:

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

May price for JT = 205.3 c/l inc GST .....

April was 201.7.... a 3.6c rise.

:*

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

Presently $2.16/litre on the Fraser Coast, - Where, and When, you can get it....( some places closed, and when others run out there can be a wait for a tankerload)

It is?

Then why did I pay $2.30/L at YHBA on 14 April?

Dr :8

[golow]

I see you like wealthy welfare, must be a liberal supporter. Keep your personal attacks and name calling to yourself. Nobody has given me a cent I have worked hard all my life and now I am ok and lucky enough to own a few planes. I have a job for you if you want one but do you know whay hard work is?

[Clare Prop]

Well. The politics of envy are alive and well, but they don't belong here. Go to Jet Blast. :mad:

[Jabawocky]

Forkie, the local account holders enjoy a small discount, but I think YMHB is a fair bit cheaper, and I reckon that is where he is quoting from.

Golow apologies for the moron bit, but small minded is not a "name" so that still applies. If you come out with more rubbish like the taxpayers paying your aircraft insurance I will probably have trouble holding back though. :=

Now what on earth is wealthy welfare? If it is welfare that makes me wealthy, I want in :}

Glad to see you have worked for every cent.....as I have had to as well. No handouts in my life, none. I should thank you for the job offer, very nice of you, but I have worked my arse off all my life, and for the moment enjoy running the business I own. But I never say no to looking at any opportunity, so what is it you have on offer?

[Cargo744]

Liberal supporte.... Really? :ugh:

[Jabawocky]

Yep :ok:

So what.

Back to fuel....and price rises due to carbon tax, One Queensland employer of mainly ex Labor voters (refer last Qld election) is already faced with paying $36,000,000 EXTRA for fuel alone. That is not fuel spend, that is extra.

Now how many jobs is that worth?

And that is a drop in the ocean, about 1/30th of the cost to this business alone.

So do the numbers, say 360 times 30 :ugh:

Now it may not mean that many jobs, but it will cost the equivelant of that many jobs, so how is that a good idea, especially if you are a labor voter.

[gobbledock]

Jaba I agree with you on this...now for the record Jaba is Liberal and I am Labor, who f#cking cares, you could be Hispanic, caucasion, German or queer - It all the same - We are being ripped off blind!
But hey (remember I am Labor) The Carbon Queen will kick the ACCC in their spotted white ass and get them to investigate 'price collusion/fuel gouging' (or in layman terms 'f#cking the public in the a#s with a fuel hose'). But she or the white whale Albo won't look at GA/small operators bleeding to death at the hands of these capitalist pig fuel conglomerates??

You added fuel to my fire Jabba, that can be dangerous!

[Flying Binghi]

The politics of envy are alive and well, but...



Bit of trivia...

Reference annual income, how much do you need to earn to be among the top 1% of the world?

$34,000


...To be included in the top 0.1% requires an annual income of $70,000



Attention Protestors: You (http://finance.ninemsn.com.au/newsbusiness/motley/8371350/attention-protestors-youre-probably-part-of-the-1)






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[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

Hey 'Jab'....don't need to go gettin' all excited now.....

As I said in another post.....

May the 4th be with you......

:yuk::yuk::yuk: