The official Avalon Airshow Thread

[gate4]

Anything related to Avalon Airshow 2011 (1st-6th March) :cool:

[Sunstar320]

Just about flooded out there last time, hoping for the better!

[Steve888]

Sunstar, that made it more fun, wading through the mud to get to the viewing area. Did mean it was slightly chilly though.

Looking forward to going again this year if time and money permit.

[AN1944]

Price For A 5yo(grand Son ) Aircraft Crazy $170.00 In Gold Class Same As Adult Fair Suck Of The Sav Airshows Aust:=

[Spelunker]

Was it last year that they introduced the $10 parking fee. Took them a while to catch on to the idea that there can be more money made out of this event. I bet this year it'll be $15.......per wheel on your car/bike.

Hope they have a Russian fighter for once, which also does a flying routine. And for the A380 to stay the entire weekend. And come on Boeing, bring the 787 over !

[ReverseFlight]

$10 parking fee

All I could remember were muddy paddocks and endless tailbacks to the highway...:bored:

[Spelunker]

endless tailbacks to the highway

it's been like that every airshow since 1995. nothin new:)

[SgtBundy]

Any information on what might be putting on a display this year?

[Dangly Bits]

I'll be there. Again!

[mcgrath50]

I applied to volunteer this year. What's it like? What are the chances of getting what you put down for?

[airspace alpha]

I have had sight of the "floor plan" and the East side of taxiway Alpha looks interesting. From top to bottom:
Hawk
F/A 18 Hornet
2 x Super Hornet
Wedgetail
Another Hornet
CT4 looking properly small no doubt
RAAF Kingair
F22 Raptor
Something that says "Su34" but the profile looks like a MiG29- go figure.
Mirage 2000
F16
J35 Lightning 2- presumably the plastic model
Then umpteen exec jets and the usual suspects.

On another site they indicate the Temora boys are taking part this year.

I would really hope the RAAF put up their F86 Sabre. The sight of the F86, Spitfire and Mustang in close formation at Point Cook last year was absolutely electrifying.

[bentleg]

I applied to volunteer this year. What's it like? What are the chances of getting what you put down for?


Great fun and a great way to spend a week away from the missus. I've volunteered at every airshow since 2003. Whether you get what you want depends on where you want to go and your skillset. Some areas are very popular and some require specific skills such as ATC. Some jobs have been done by the same people for a long time.

The first year I helped with "Airsport Showcase", getting the people with small displays organised etc, and every show since as a tarmac marshall, essentially marshalling the aircraft movements, mainly lighties. Big plus is you are ringside during the displays and conversations with pilots can get you inside aircraft not normally available to the public. Last show I got inside a B1B.

Feel free to PM me.


On another site they indicate the Temora boys are taking part this year


That's great to hear. Their absence was conspicuous last airshow.

[SgtBundy]

This year will hopefully be my first visit to Avalon. Are both weekend days normally the same program or is there enough to see there to fill both days? I will be travelling with my kids so I want to avoid being stuck for a day I don't need to be, but also would hate to miss out on anything good....

[VH-XXX]

Was it last year that they introduced the $10 parking fee.

The way around that was to tell them you don't have any money on you and you were going to buy your tickets on credit card. You can't turn around as the road is generally one-way, so in you go.... for nothing.

[bentleg]

Are both weekend days normally the same program or is there enough to see there to fill both days?

The backbone of the flying program on both weekend days is usually the same, but the aircraft actually flying can vary, according to availability and prevailing weather. You'll get the gist of the flying display by coming for one day. There is plenty to see across two days, it takes most of a day to have a good look at the exhibiting aircraft.

PS - The night display on Friday is usually different and excellent. To see and hear Connie take off at night with flaming exhausts is a unique experience.

Edit: changed weekdays ---> weekend days

[Qantas 787]

Anyone know about additional flights into AVV? JQ only have three return filghts to SYD - last airshow they had about 6. They even had two fligts leaving at about 6 and 7pm back to SYD on the Sunday, which was ideal and both flights were packed.

[bentleg]

JQ only have three return filghts to SYD - last airshow they had about 6

Yep, not as many this year as JQ now fly out of Tullamarine as well (with more flights out of Tulla than Av). 3 flights out of Tulla from 5.55 pm Sunday night. Not as convenient obviously, will they reallocate? We shall see, but dont hold your breath........

[ryanboxer]

indeed correct on JST, tiger has 3 on friday, sharp has 2, weekend schedule is a sole return flight

[Arnold E]

Anybody remember the very first one, I was there.:ok:

Talk about wet.:eek:

[Stikybeke]

I remember going down there one year when Qantas took down a 747 (ex Mascot) and parked it right in the middle of everything!!!! I was great taxying through the crowd and looking out the window and all the people walking around. When we left the PIC did a great flyby and those left in the stands were cheering and waving. Would've looked great from there. One blue I did make though was I didn't get the gold pass, opting instead for the dust bowl where I met one of those aviation experts that had the scanner, whizbang cameras. rayban sunnies, jacket and everything. I've posted about that experience before. I wonder if I'll accidently spill my beer on him again (sorry mate...like I tell you every time, No we haven't met before and it was an accident..).

In any case, it would be good if Qantas or someone could do that again although I don't know if the A380 would get into Avalon or not (anybody know?). What I usually do is book round about now and get the JS flight down at 0700ish and back on the day (1550ish) with Gold pass. ( I just checked and the flight is filling...) Whole day ( with beers etc) usually costs me around $500- and is money well spent.
Stiky
:ok:

[bentleg]

I don't know if the A380 would get into Avalon or not (anybody know?).

Qantas brought A380 VH-OQA into Avalon (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qantas/Airbus-A380-842/1596768/L/) for a while last airshow. It was there on one day only from about 1000 until about 1500. I suspect it had real work to do before and after those times.

From another site
Please don't rely on a QF airplane being available for travel to Avalon, either as a staff member or as a member of the public via a Charity (ie Pathfinders).

Given the security requirements for passenger screening (which has to be done by hand thus a very long boarding time in the static display park) and the limited parking positions available to accommodate an A380 or B744 (thus necessarily blocking other display aircraft whilst boarding), it is likely to go empty based on issues over previous years.

These decisions are usually made very late depending on the commercial requirement close to the event and the ultimate availability of parking once all participants are confirmed.

I seem to recall a huge queue for boarding (took well over an hour to process) when they brought an A330 down in 2003. Haven't seen it done since.

[gate4]

It is anticipated that the following aircraft will be at Avalon for the Australian International Airshow, 1-6 March, 2011. (All military aircraft are subject to final confirmation and change at any time.) This is a preliminary list and subject to variation.
Australian Defence ForceRAAFF/A 18 ClassicF/A 18F Rhino (Total of 11 F/A 18’s to attend)BAe Hawk 127Lockheed Orion AP-3CBeechcraft Super King Air KC-30A (Subject to confirmation)RoulettesC-130HC-130JPC-9 FACC-17 Boeing 737 Wedgetail Boeing 737 BBJBombardier Challenger 604 RANGrumman TrackerUH1-BAS350A Squirrel Sikorsky Seahawk ARMYARH TigerSikorsky Black HawkBell KiowaRed Beret Parachute TeamMRH-90 Foreign Military AircraftUS MilitaryF-16F-22B-2 SpiritKC-135C5AKC-30A (Subject to confirmation)C-17B-1 CH-47FMH-60RT-6 Texan RAF E3-D RNZAFB-75 Republic of SingaporeF-16 x 2PC-12Super Puma Warbirds and other Ex Military AircraftUS MilitarySpitfire Mk VIIILockhead HudsonGloster MeteorCAC SabreLockheed NeptuneC-47MB 326-H MacchiConsolidated CatalinaSopwith PupCT4ACAC WinjeelMirageP-51 MustangC-47 SpookyStinson GullwingP-40 KittyhawkDH-82 Other Aircraft/Displays including Aircraft from General Aviation AssociationsDC-4Lockheed L1049 Constellation DH Drover L-39 AlbatrossSouthern Knights Aerobatic Team (4 x T-6 Havards) Professional PerformersMatt Hall – Giles 202Bob Carlton – Super Salto Jet SailplaneNikolay Timofeev – Su-26Kent Pietsh – Interstate Cadet + Vehicle AssociationsAntique Aeroplane Association of AustraliaRecreation Aviation AustraliaSports Aircraft Association of AustraliaAustralian Aerobatic Club (VIC)Australian Bonanza SocietyAustralian Piper SocietyAustralian Sport Rotorcraft AssociationBalloon Association of VictoriaGliding Federation of AustraliaGeelong Sports Aviators Hang Gliding Federation of AustraliaMission Aviation Fellowship and AustraliaSalvation Army – Flying Padre and Outback ServicesSea Planes Pilots AssociationVietnam Veterans Museum Commercial AircraftGippsland Aeronautics GA8Socata Liberty Britten-Norman IslanderPiaggioDassault Falcon 2000XLDaher Socata TBM 850Eurocopter EC120Gulfstream G450Gulfstream G150Dassault Falcon 7XDassault Falcon 2000LXLearjet 60Alpi Pioneer 300A-ViatorP68RP68CYak 52P-750 XSTOLAgusta Westland A119 KoalaAgusta A109 PowerAgusta A190S Grand (Heliflite)Hawker Pacific Premier 1AHawker Pacific 900XPJabiru 230P2002 SierraP92 EchoDiamond DA40Diamond DA42Hawker Pacific Beechcraft Baron G58Hawker Pacific King Air 350Bell 429Raytheon Learjet 35Raytheon T-6APilatus PC12Cessna 400Robinson R66Robinson R22Robinson R44Aquila A210Seabird SeekerAusterStorch
Notes:
i. Aircraft attending are subject to operational requirements and weather
ii. Not all aircraft will participate in the flying displays. Some aircraft will be on static display only
iii. Not all aircraft will be in attendance on all days
iv. Flying display program not yet available

[SgtBundy]

Link to an easier to read list:

AVALON 2011 - AUSTRALIAN INTERNATIONAL AIRSHOW AND AEROSPACE & DEFENCE EXPOSITION - 1-6 March 2011 GEELONG VICTORIA (http://www.airshow.net.au/avalon2011/airshow/flying-display.html)

[PPRuNeUser0163]

Great- so no 787 again!

why is it that we can't attract the big visitors yet other shows like Farnborough, etc can..

just slightly annoyed!

[bentleg]

why is it that we can't attract the big visitors yet other shows like Farnborough, etc can..


1. distance from Europe and USA

2. population / size of market

[Howard Hughes]

3. They have already sold all the aircraft they are going to sell in this country...

While fun for us aviation tragics, the prime reason for an airshow is to SELL AIRCRAFT!;)

[airspace alpha]

I'm sure Qantas or Jetstar will be super keen to show off the 787 just as soon as it goes into service. So I'm really looking forward to Avalon 2019

[PyroTek]

Qantas brought A380 VH-OQA into Avalon (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qantas/Airbus-A380-842/1596768/L/) for a while last airshow. It was there on one day only from about 1000 until about 1500. I suspect it had real work to do before and after those times.

Nah it was there from about 0900 to 1100 - I got there about 11 just to see it depart. :mad:,

Though, I will be at the coming avalon :)

[Critical Reynolds No]

I note a RAN Tracker on the list. Didn't think the museum's aircraft was airworthy as yet.

[Jay Bo]

The avalon airsup mentions the use of an arrestor cable...could we see a few snags during the display

[Mick.B]

They only put it up when the fast movers are on show the put it away.

[aurora912]

I've read about the arrestor cable being there for other years as well, though never seen it. Im guessing it must be there just incase of an emergency? can anyone confirm?

Good to see the f22 on its way down. Also can we really expect a b2?

[gate4]

There seems to be some typos in the list,

USAF KC30 - KC10?
USAF B1 - B1B ?
RNZAF B-75 - B757?
Falcon 2000XL - Falcon 2000LX?

I would say Sings Af has another aircraft to bring down ?

Jetstar/Qantas should have something on static for one or two different days something from the Virgin Group too :E

[oneflewnorth]

any news on the possibility of jetstar or tiger putting on extra flights?

[bentleg]

any news on the possibility of jetstar or tiger putting on extra flights?

IMHO most unlikely

[gate4]

Some additions...

Pakistani Air ForceHongdu K8 x3French Air ForceCASA 295Italian Air ForceC27J Spartan

Maybe a IL78 Tanker will escort the JL-8's? :E

[Critical Reynolds No]

Plus a lot of deletions!

[FoxtrotAlpha18]

The RAAF Rhino will be doing a full handling display at Avalon for the first time. :ok:

The B-2 will only be a flyby ex-Guam and will not land, a la the B-52 in past years.

Two F-22s are planned to be at Avalon, also ex-Guam - one static and one flying a handling display. The flyer will probably come out of another base.

It doesn't say USAF KC-30, it says foreign military aircraft KC-30, i.e. it will be in RAAF colours but as it won't have been handed over yet, it will flown to/from Avalon by Airbus crews.

[SgtBundy]

Any idea what day the B-2 will be? Was going to be a highlight for one of my boys.

[Critical Reynolds No]

Don't get your hopes up Bundy.:ugh:

[gate4]

B-52 has just been added to that list...

[bubble.head]

What date are people planning to head down? I am thinking about going in on the trade days as it will probably be less crowded but is there much difference on a public days and the trade days?

[bentleg]

It is less crowded on a trade day, the airshow is similar. You need trade accreditation (http://www.airshow.net.au/avalon2011/trade-visitors/preregister.html) or a trade pass to get past the gate, and business attire. Flash your PPL and wear an an aero club or airline shirt, that should do the trick. Best to pre-register.

[PyroTek]

Wear an epaulette shirt with an ASIC card flapping about on your chest, sure to get you in!
I'll be there on the 4th-6th, Will be too late for the show on the 4th, so 5th and 6th are a definite, PM me if any of you want to join me in being armchair experts!:ugh:

:ok:Pyro

[bubble.head]

Thanks! I have just the hat to make it look offical. My 2007 gulfstream labelled cap, souvenir from that year of the airshow.

Really looking forward to see some F22 ripping it up in the sky.

[nitpicker330]

You don't need to wear uniform with epaulettes to get in if you're a REAL Pilot!! Just bring your ASIC.

Give it a break.

Wankers!

[HarleyD]

nitpicker330......REAL pilot.....ASIC.??.....

No way white shirt, no way blue slacks, you would be one of those who wear a hawaiin shirt, shorts, sandals and a pair of those white framed sunnies,..... and you think that is what a REAL pilot wears......even when attending an aviation event, in company time..... you DO have a full time flying job don't you??

HA HA HA HA HA..... that is beach wear, not pilot wear, you cool dude! It would work for Richard Branson I suppose, but is he a REAL pilot? or is he just a multi billionaire airline owner who likes to pretend that he is a pilot by dressing like that, does that make him a ******?? who cares?


An ASIC in your name and image will qualify you for trade day admission rates, but carries no proof at all that you are a more of a real pilot than those in the white shirts, or even those in the zoom bags.


A friend of mine wears a blue flight suit every day to the show and he is a REAL pilot, even though he has never had an ASIC in his life.

I will be there for the duration again. I wonder if it will be flood, mud, hail, gale, dust or scorching heat this time? It goes for a week so we will most likely get some of everything. - Except for the Russians, bring em back I say,...... those Sukhois are fully sick mate ( that was for nitpicker, real pilot talk, not ****** white epaulette shirt talk)

HD

Hey, I just noticed an interesting thing, when you type:

Wankers - it come out that way on the post,

******? - it comes out like that in the post

****** - however comes out like that!!, not like what you type

winker, wonker wunker and wenker all work,

but not ******

Bollocks!

[Critical Reynolds No]

Last trade day I went to, there were more aerosexuals with badges than industry folk. How do they get in?

[nitpicker330]

Mate I've worn a professional aviators uniform ( Airline in this case ) for nearly 30 years with great pride and I always wear my hat!! ( no thanks to the CX Hat Police !!)

So, no I'm not turning up in shorts and thongs as you suggest!!

I'll wear appropriate casual attire but it's not necessary to get " dolled up" in ur uniform to get in, far from it. Anyone could buy a uniform at Skylines, for identification purposes an ASIC proves enough on the day. Remember an ASIC proves you are apart of the Aviation industry, you don't have to be a Pilot to get in to the show.

In my experience every time I've been to the show on trade days I've never once been asked to show anything.

I'm getting a bit sick and tired seeing the 20 yo wanna bees strolling around in full regalia like they're Chuck Yeager :D


The real experienced Pilots from all forms of Aviation will be walking around quietly minding their own business in casual attire.

So, How about a bit of modesty?

[HarleyD]

As far as I am concerned anyone can wear what ever they want, badges, gold wings, flight suits or corporate uniform. "Smart casual' means absolutely nothing in regard to flight experience, ability or ambition.

Ricardo will be wearing his blue suit with all his badges, as will the Roullettes, what difference does the clothing mean, nothing really, so you do not need to mount the high horse and take umbrage to what you deem the 'correct ' dress for a REAL pilot.

There will be REAL pilots in all forms of dress (maybe even dresses?), as well as absolute wannabees in jackets covered with badges from every show they have been to and RFC wings sewn on for good luck, who have never been closer to flying than zooming their Airfix models around the kitchen table, so what?

Avalon will once again bring together the entire gamut af the aviation fraternity and sorority for a week of intense aerial and corporate maneuvering in the skies and in the chalets, where some say the REAL pilots hang out.

Enjoy it and resist the feeling of rage and resentment when you see some hopped up sprog with his accoutrements of trade proudly on display to the world, ray bans, gold wings, white shirt and dusty black shoes, and a heart full of hope for the future. don't worry nitpicker, there will always be some sour old billy to knock it out of him later, when he gets a REAL job as a REAL pilot.

Chill man, maybe you need that Hawaiin shirt after all.

See ya there, I 'll keep an eye out for the casual shorts and knee length socks.

HD

Now, will I wear my 5 stripe eppaulettes or my six stripe eppaulettes, hmm maybe with the Astronaut wings I got on ebay....oops better not, i have bumped into several REAL Astronauts at Avalon over the years, and they know that I am NOT one.....Test Pilot badge perhaps??!?..that one is easier...

[nitpicker330]

Pilots working at the show will wear their uniforms, why wouldnt they. Be they Military or Civilian, no objection there:ok:

That's not the group of Pilots I was referring to in my post.

So to clarify....... anyone involved in the Aviation industry whether they be ATO's, Cleaners, Caterers, Cabin crew or Pilots need only bring their ASIC.

You don't see QF or VB cabin crew/ground staff/caterers wearing their uniforms whilst off duty visiting on trade days and nor should you.:D

As I said above those not required in the course of their employment to wear a uniform at the show are just "show boats and wankers" They are doing it to feel important.

So get over yourselves.

And if I ever see another wanna bee in the local Pub with his stripes on I'm

gunna puke all over him/her.

[VH-XXX]

Just tell them you're an aircraft spotter and pull out your home-made business card - have seen it done plenty of times before.

I'm wondering if Pilot's non-flying partners can come along to the trade day..... (without an ASIC or licence of course)

[nitpicker330]

Wives cannot normally go but as I said above most if not all the times i've been I wasn't asked for any proof.......

[VH-XXX]

I might give them a ring about that. Wives / SO's are the backbone of the successful aviation professional!

[mickk]

Yes the home made business card works a treat. You can be as creative as you like.

Managing Director or CEO is fun, one year 4 of us were the directors of Aviation Security Services, "Ass`s"

[mickk]

Vortex Air have a few seats left for sat and sun, $195 return, YMMB to YMAV, 25 minutes and you are in the gate. Ive flown 4 times and its the only way to get there if you are in the SE of Melb.

Get in quick as the ASDU advertising kicks in on Monday.

[Critical Reynolds No]

Anyone know an email that works for ASDU?

I want them to tell the commentators to be silent during displays. They can go nuts in between displays and the commercials.

[Captain Dart]

Concur. Last year I attended a display at a certain very big private air museum in NSW that operates some serious military stuff; the incessant yap from the commentators detracted from the experience.

A good airshow commentator knows when to let the aircraft do the talking.

[Sunfish]

Just wear your Bose X10's over your ears and your Bausch and Lomb sunnies, that will get you in!!!!!

[Critical Reynolds No]

Prepare to be dissapointed Dominic!!:ok:

[bentleg]

Anyone know an email that works for ASDU?


From the airshow website email list (http://www.airshow.net.au/avalon2011/organisers.html)

Try - [email protected]

[Critical Reynolds No]

Thanks Bentleg,
I scoured that site with no luck. There should be a "contact us" tab.

[gate4]

Pakistani Air Force JL-8s dropped along with KC-30/A330MRTT. :ugh:

Cessna CJ4 & C162 Skycatcher will make their debut. :cool:

[HarleyD]

I have just been at a show for the previous week and saw Gripen, Rafale, Tornado, Su30, Tejas, the Red Bulls, the Suyra Kirans and heaps of other stuff that won't be there at Avalon. The weather was great (mild) and the food as well. I was disappointed that he Mig 35 wasn't here or the Be 200 that was doing water bombing demo's last time i was here, but at least the Roosians had their usual gorgeous dollies on the indoor trade stands, a poor substitute but always easy on the eyes.

Oh Well, Avalon will still be fun anyway and I will be making the most of this showcase of aviation and will be there every day with my camera and sunscreen. I must get a Morris Oxford staff car and Royal Enfield dispatch rider escort so that i can wear my Air Marshall epaulets. It is so good to be British don't you know.

HD

[Sunstar320]

Anyone know any arrival details of anything over the next couple of days??

[airspace alpha]

I suspect the RNZAF B757 will be a no-show as well- they almost certainly have far better things to do at the moment. For this year I'll be quite happy to keep in my memory their super display from past Avalon's. Come back when you can guys, but godspeed with what you and the rest of the NZ defence forces will be doing in the coming weeks

[CirrusSR22T]

Sunstar -
A Cirrus SR22, Super Decath , and the first of its kind in Oz, Aquila A210 will be arriving at YMAV main runway 1400hrs Sunday 27th.

I suspect you were talking about some faster heavy metal :E

[gav_20022002]

Heard a nasty rumour today that the Raptor will only be a static display and no one with in 50m of it and the B-2 has been canned but sending and extra B1 as a replacement.....really hope im wrong as they were the only 2 reasons i booked airfares to go!

[mickk]

Just received this.

13th Air Force Public Affairs

2/24/2011 - JOINT BASE PEARL HARBOR-HICKAM, Hawaii -- At the invitation of the Government of Australia, the United States military will be represented at the Australian International Airshow 2011 held at Avalon Airport, Victoria, Australia, from March 1 through 6.

A cross-section of U.S. military aircraft and equipment are scheduled to be on static display and performing aerial demonstrations including the F-22 Raptor, the F-16 Fighting Falcon, the B-1B Lancer, the KC-135 Stratotanker, the C-17 Globemaster III, the C-130J Hercules and the MH-60 Blackhawk Helicopter.

Through participating in air shows and other regional events, the United States demonstrates its commitment to the security of the Asia-Pacific region, promotes the standardization and interoperability of equipment, and displays capabilities critical to the success of current and future military operations.

The PR at the bottom and the PR blurbs are always interesting tells me they will fly it unless somone here says no. Its here to show off IMHO. There is no crew from this Sqn qualified to do a handling display according to ACC that is scheduled to come down here, but Id expect it to do laps, unless the one qualified crew from this Sqn shows up.

The USS Shoup that has the helos on it is due into Station Pier at 7.30am on Monday for any Shipaholics.

[PaulDamian]

(Assuming I can find something available);

Is there someone out there with a Chieftain or Navajo rating that is available and interested in going to the Airshow for the day ex-MBB???
Sat or Sun.

Cheers,
Paul

[Udor]

Hi All,

I want to take my Grand father (he's 91!) to the airshow on sunday using the gold pass as I dont think he can handle standing around for too long. My worry is that the walk to the airstrip will be too far. How many km is it, and is it possible to drive up an drop him at the entrance and then I go find a car park?

[Ken Borough]

I remember going down there one year when Qantas took down a 747 (ex Mascot)

This flight with a full load was reckoned to be the first 744 departure from 16L! Don't count on QF participation anymore - there's not an ounce of entrepanaurial spirit left.

[VH-XXX]

Udor, you should be able to drive up to the entrance if you let them know nicely and if you promise to watch out for the pedestrians.

Once you get there, if he can't handle a 500 metre walk, if you ask them nicely they will probably get you someone in a golf buggy thing to come and pick him up. Tell them he's a War vetran and you should have no worries.

[mcgrath50]

Udor,

There will be people able to help, with golf buggies/wheel chairs and other things to let him enjoy himself. Probably the best thing to do is give them a ring and ask before getting there as it will be busy making it hard to wing it.

[Pedota]

Does anyone know what time the flying displays start on Wedesday and Thursday?

Thanks

[CaptainMidnight]

Page 9 of the AIP SUP:

WED 2 0700 - 1100 R979ABC Avalon TWR
1000-1700
1100 - 1400 R979ABC Rehearsal*
1400 - 1600 R979ABC Air Display*
1600 - 2000 R979ABC Avalon TWR
THU 3 0700 - 1100 R979ABC Avalon TWR
0900-1700
1100 - 1400 R979ABC Rehearsal*
1400 - 1600 R979ABC Air Display*
1600 - 2000 R979ABC Avalon TWR

There are changes to the AIP SUP though - check both Avalon and Melbourne (YMMM) FIR NOTAMs prior to flight.

[Mick.B]

Raptor have arrived in style.

[likes2fly]

Now that the show has started, keep the reports coming pruners. Can't make it myself again this time so need to live the show through others.

Raptors arrived in style.....

Please elaborate mick b, . Any beat ups from the b1 on arrival?

Cheers

[Mick.B]

The KC-135 arrived first and requested to be in a position to film the Raptors arrival. The Raptor called up the tower and the ATC requested them in an almost begging voice for them to perform a low level left pitch over the top of the pavilions and fire station. I was positioned close to the runway and both raptor come down to around 200ft then lit the burners over the top while pulling into a left fast climbing turn. You could feel the heat. AWESOME. From what I could read, one is AK 108 the other the other reads AK 525 FS. I will post some photos soon.

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[PyroTek]

That wasn't there last time! I'm getting excited!
:ok:Pyro

[Capn Bloggs]

Now THAT is a machine! :ok::ok: http://www.smilies.our-local.co.uk/index_files/worship.gif

I could use the Raptor's radar to find Dick Smith before he collided with me. Bugger ADSB! Where's that missile button again, Bloggs? :}

[PoppaJo]

Would I get in with just a ARN? Got pre approval via the website and they will get $55 out of me.

[PyroTek]

What are you trying to get into exactly?

[airtags]

Nice pix Mick,

missed the arrival but everyone was talking about it

What does always impress me about every Airshow (apart from the toys) is the massive number of volunteers that make the thing happen.

One of the Ground Ops blokes yesterday was standing on the edge of the taxiway in the cold, wind etc. He volunteers for it every show. He said there are literally hundreds of people who give up their time just to be part of the event.

I appreciated the asistance received yesterday so to all the Airshow volunteers:
" well done and thanks for the effort (& I hope the Wx is kind over the weekend)"

AT

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

You gotta see the Italian Spartan demo.

A half size herc doing a fully aerobatic routine. Fantastic!

[Wodonga Josh]

Yeah the spartan will be one of the highlights for me.

[Like This - Do That]

You gotta see the Italian Spartan demo.
A half size herc doing a fully aerobatic routine. Fantastic!

Yeah the spartan will be one of the highlights for me.

Should be one of the highlights, in fact should be the REASON for anyone from MINDEF down to attend. Should be one of the ADF's highest priorities.

But it isn't. The capability gap just keeps growing and growing into a yawning gulf. :mad::ugh:

[VH-XXX]

OMG when I saw that Spartan for the first time it was from a distance and I said "holly s*hite" that thing's gonna do a loop and crash.... (thinking it was a Herc at the time) It started the loop, got steeper and steeper and I thought it was all over!

[Sunfish]

In a word, boring yesterday.


The organisers are trying to make up for a lack of new talent with pyrotechnics.

[flyinkiwi]

When I was there in 2007 I looked up and saw a Spartan flying along inverted (they were halfway through an aileron roll). I nearly choked on my chips. Sadly I didn't get my camera up in time.

[aussie027]

Great Pix Mick, Thank you very much.
Magnificent aircraft.
Taxpayers dollars in action!!!:ok:

[Cookie7]

I just got home from Friday Night Alight and what a thrill it is to have that B-1 Lancer hurt my ears - worth every bit of it.
The thunder right through my body was immense, I absolutely loved it!

Kent Pietsch performing his routine to Enya's "Sail away" - who the hell chose that song? I heard it whilst chatting to a lovely lady from the Alaskan crew of the C-17, well, at least I think it was a C-17 (will check that later) and she's a sight! :ok:

I have some 170 pics and about 20 videos, it would have been more if it wasn't for my battery going flat. And I do suggest to those going, if you have or can borrow a camera with telescopic lense - DO IT!!!

I could go on and on but I won't ruin it for the hordes who are going this weekend. At least you won't freeze like we all did tonight!

[mickk]

Just a quick report from today.

Parachute jump was cancelled as they would have had to exit over the crowd due to wind. Connie went U/S, B1 went U/S, C17 took off and went to NZ so no display. A Cessna got bogged at YAVE and BRT went to assist. B52 blokes cracking B1 jokes all day, "at lestt we can fly and blow stuff up, they can only blow emselves up".

The orgasnisers gave us a 45 minute rest at lunchtime, we got a lot of rest breaks.

Spartan was good, Jelly Belly was fun, no B52 flyover and all the acts were well to the west of the runway, never seen em so far away. Squirrels did their usual thing, Sea King did a bit of a show but that was it for the choppers. MH60 from USS Shoup didnt fly, there was more that didnt fly than did If you know what I mean.

Hoping for a better day tomorrow.

[Avgas172]

Organisation of traffic on exit was the most incompetent display of traffic management I have ever witnessed, took more than an hour to move out of the carpark while they still had three lanes open to incoming traffic at 3.30pm
:ugh: I have attended massive motor racing events in Aus without 1/4 of the drama these clowns caused .... shame to the traffic management involved.
note to self: Never X 30 times take a car to Avalon.

[Teal]

Organisation of traffic on exit was the most incompetent display of traffic management I have ever witnessed....


I well and truly endorse those comments Avgas172....also took us an hour to travel 300 metres out of one of the car parks. Not as bad as 2005 (from memory) - that time it took 2 hours!

A few pics from today:


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[717tech]

I agree Avgas, bunch of incompetent idiots. Took us 1 hour 50 mins to get out of there!

Nice shots Teal!

[ptrg]

..the B1 did fly yesterday (Saturday) - got some epic shots of it!

[ant1984]

When did the B1 fly yesterday (Saturday)? :confused:

I didn't see it. Unless it was extremely late in the day after the flying display was scheduled to finished.

The weather was absolutely perfect yesterday so it's a shame things got cancelled and the schedule seemed out of whack. On the positive side I got to have a good chat to a Wedgetail pilot and the Rhino display pilot.

I've got to say that I was overall disappointed with this years show. It was nice to see the Sabre though.

Hopefully for everyone going today things should run a bit smoother.

[Teal]

Yeah the show did seem a bit jaded this time around - perhaps a bit repetitive in its format. I was really looking forward to seeing the Constellation fly again but it wasn't to be. The Sabre was good though. Full credit to the USAF for bringing aircraft in from all around the world including Texas, Alaska and Okinawa, etc. Had a good chat with Raptor pilot Lt Col Chris Niemi who has featured in various newspaper, TV and radio reports during the week. All of the other American crew members we spoke with were cheerful and happy to answer questions from all and sundry, no matter how silly some of the questions were. Huge queues for food and toilets, overflowing bins, no seating/shade around food areas, and the car parking fiascos took the shine off.

[dat581]

The announcers were terrible this year and did not seam to have a clue what they were talking about most of the time. No research done and many factual errors such as:

Australia has bought 14 Super Hornets,
The Mirage can reach three times the speed of sound
etc
etc
:ugh:

Line of the day from one of the USAF F22 pilots:

Small boy: Is that Starscream?
Pilot: This one right here? No. But that one just over there is but don't tell any one!

[Macchi 408]

Went yesterday and I have to say it was really disappointing. GA didn't really have that much of a presence, announcers as said above had no clue whatsoever and the flying displays have been better in the past. That being said, was near the threshold at the end of the day when the B-1 appeared and wow is that thing a beast! Also was great to see the Rhino in Australian colours and in action.

[Ultralights]

that B52 either has a very small rudder for an 8 engined machine, or one very long trim tab!

[717tech]

Were there two B-1Bs this year? On Sat I walked around the one parked next to the F-22s. Then while in the two hour que to get out of the car park I watched one land in the rear view mirror (about 6pm I think)..... I didnt see one take off.

[Mick.B]

There was one at Tulla since Friday night after it had a flap problem. Back to Avalon on Saturday.

[Jethro Gibbs]

Has this Show ever produced any aerospace / aviation jobs at Avalon always a lot of talk but no action.

[mickk]

Today was much better than yeserday, more action, less breaks, the holding a/c were closer so it wasnt as boring when waiting for an act. B1 went up, KC10 landed after being static yeserday, where did it go? Connnie made it up briefly but a limited display, I think it was still crook.

Agree woth the lack of GA. So much sexy stuff on the tarmac, you culd have one day of GA and one day of chocker block military.

For the life of me, I cant understand why high aerial acts ala Matt Hall and the various gliders and stunt a/c are put on when the sun is at its worst at Avalon. A prime example of not understanding the basics.

Almost every fault with this event could be rectified if the ASDU would talk to a few punters, do some market research, like every decent business does. Instead its "we are right and we are the only game in town" if you dont like it bad luck.

Its a shame really, but then again the ASDU masquerades as a not for profit organisation, a law unto themselves. Roll on Point Cook.

[DeltaT]

100,000 people there today the announcer said. Certainly fantastic weather.
I have to agree with other postings it was really dissappointing.
If the USAF hadn't turned up in strength a very large chunk of the aerodrome would have been vacant!
Highlights for me were the Spartan and Matt Hall in his MX-R Racer.

[mickk]

"100,000 people there today the announcer said."

Must have been 200,000 there on Saturday then, funny they didnt mention that!

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

Could have put up a sign;
"Shade....$10 for 30 minutes"
and would've made a fortune.


Love public days.
Try to get kids into the cockpit but no matter how many times you tell them they always try to bust the control locks off.
End up just closing the a/c but someone reaches in through the storm window, opens the door and leaves the masters on. Thanks, dopey.

"Excuse me madam, but you're smoking under the drain of 300 litres of AVGAS."
Response....
"Bitch bitch, moan, moan, bleat....."

Sorry, but we have those stools there so people can see through the window, not as spectator seats.

Shame.

[puff]

The US defence crews really are a credit to their nation and their service. Every single aircraft this, and every time I have been to Avalon always had a crew member from that aircraft standing guard and they took the barrage of questions, stupid and sensible all day long without a hint of even seeming annoyed.

Jumped on the aussie C17 for most of it internally roped off(on a trade day), with the cockpit off limits, walk over to the US one, no sign of a rope anywhere, and the crews had no worries with you sitting in the cockpit and having a chat, big thumbs up !

Quote of the time for me, was someone asking the B1 crew if their aircraft was the noisiest, the reply 'we like to think so!'

How freaking cold was it on Friday, March in Victoria, like a cold winters day in QLD !

Anyone else see the Qantas 747-400 leave and come back on Fri morning, seeing it use half the runway the A320s were using was pretty impressive. They left and reported tech. problems and returned for a landing and left again a few hours later, seeing it land from the gable markers was impressive and something you never normally see either.

Love to know what the book value of a/c on the ground is during the show, as well as the value of camera equipment !! Some of those lenses on the gable markers would provide a 8 X 10 glossy of a seagull ****ting at Bells Beach !

[Qantas 787]

I will be in the minority but I enjoyed it yesterday. There are so many things that could be improved, but we say that at each show.

The car park sounds like a debarcle - very happy I didn't get a rental car. The annoying thing was getting out, all the buses had to get onto the freeway at the next exit. We got on at 4:30pm, it was bumper to bumper all the way to the motorway enterance from the car park. They cut down the freeway to two lanes to make it easier for the exiting car parks, but we were on the freeway for at least 40 minutes before we got past that blockage. Stupity all round.

Anyone get the train? How quick was that on the way out?

Shade: yes, they never get that right. They can easily fit some portable shades in some areas. The reason the Halls were packed was because they were the only shade available.

[Critical Reynolds No]

Kudos with the US aircrews putting up with rubbish! My young bloke was waiting like a saint to ask the B-52 pilot how many bombs it could carry. Had to wait for 10 minutes while this old bloke chewed his ear off about our red ranger prime minister etc etc. The relief on his face when I jumped in with "excuse me mate but this young man has a question". Great to see the smile on the young bloke when they started talking about the computer game "Call of Duty". Way over my head! :D

[Dangnammit]

More than 100k there, me thinks.
I walked out the gate just before 2pm and people were still coming in.

Just a question, what's the go with this bird? Looks like someone took off her tatts.
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[VH-XXX]

Isn't that Walana Dreaming or Nalanji Dreaming? I forget which one.

Flying Art (http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/aircraft-designs/global/en) (these are the newer ones)

Has been retired for a while now and poached for parts from memory. I wonder if it will be leaving one day on the back of many trucks to the scrap yard. Went on that to Hawaii back in 2003, 'twas one of the later 300 series from memory and didn't have business class or decent in-flight entertainment.

[Dangnammit]

I know there was a red one (I think it's still doing the rounds) and this blue one in 747 guise with all that sticker work all over them.
I think I saw the red one recently (few months ago) over Melbourne.
I could be wrong.

[puff]

It's VH-EBU - Nalanji Dreaming Photos: Boeing 747-338 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Qantas/Boeing-747-338/0805462/M/)

Been in Avalon since 2005 - and in about the condition you photographed it since about 2007. God knows what the plan and story was - I believe it went down there for maintainance in 2005 - pulled it apart with the intention of returning to service - GFC hit - some of the other 300s were also bought down and parked, things picked up the other 300s were put back into service and they didn't end up spending the money to get EBU going again and it's sat there ever since.

Wunala the other was initially on VH-OJB - then it got taken off and put onto the new 400ER - VH-OEJ

[Qantas 787]

That is EBU alright - last airshow it was hidden. It is a shame to see it in that state. Still, it looks better there than cut up into pieces.

[skyhawkmatthew]

EBU is now used as an AFP hijacking/hostage situation trainer...

I flew down from Sydney with Jetstar on Saturday - got a few nice shots of the aerial displays. The highlight for me was the Spartan - transports shouldn't be able to do what it can! :eek:

I was very disappointed the B-1 didn't fly on Saturday, I was looking forward to that. It seems the flying program shrinks a bit every year, and there's too much downtime in between acts. :(

It was worth the trip down there though.

[Kiwiconehead]

Line of the day from one of the USAF F22 pilots:

Small boy: Is that Starscream?
Pilot: This one right here? No. But that one just over there is but don't tell any one!

That's great work.

[Wally Mk2]

Interesting reading the neg comments here,would be interesting to know the general public's thoughts on the event rather than us picky pilots etc:-)
I know I wouldn't bother going again (went many years ago,poor back then too) due very poor overall event management but the public know no better I guess.
At least the Yanks look the part as well as act the part:-)

Wk2

[PA39]

I enjoyed every minute. Anything to do with aircraft gets my vote.

[jackson's_joyflights]

What a great show.....

Landed on main RWY18 at 9:30..... Marshalled to parking across from the Roulettes......excellent static and flying displays....... Free lunch care of Hawkers and flew out on RWY18 at 5:00......... As always not what you know its who you know........ Or better still who you've got in the back......

Thanks Avalon!

[Teal]

So tell us JJ, which VIP were you carrying - surely not the big fella who leases the joint...:ooh:. (At least give us a hint).

Of course, when I am watching my beloved Bombers from the lofty confines of the Medallion Club at Etihad Stadium, it is certainly much more enjoyable than being in the stalls at ground level with the sun in my face all afternoon.:*

[Critical Reynolds No]

I saw Ted Bay-loo on the back of a golf cart? Was this your said pax?

Although, come to think of it, the only thing I can remember across from the Roulettes was an Albratros.

[onezeroonethree]

Why couldn't they get a display pilot over to fly the F22?
Couldn't even bring in an F15 to take its place in the sky?

747 was on the schedule list on the website for Friday. Apparently it flew out before the gates opened at 2pm?

C17 didnt fly on friday. Fair enough the NZ 757 wasn't there that I can understand...

Yet again no russian jets... wouldn't want to upstage the americans :ok:

All in all I was hoping for a better airshow as the last 2 were let downs. Nothing new.

Result? Less than the previous year. Doesn't help theres no F111 or Caribou flying anymore. Just shortened the list even more.

Not to mention no time table except for the one in the information booth. Amazingly you could take a photo of it on your phone for free to reference later. those $10 airshow books didnt even have a time table. it was just a rough guide - same thing as on the website.

Fail. :ugh:

[lamancha73]

Easy in and out for Sunday!!
I recall seeing a very nice Super King Air backing up into position opposite the Roulettes. Walking past and seeing the passengers hop out, I thought, now that is a nice way to arrive.

[PyroTek]

Why couldn't they get a display pilot over to fly the F22?Because there is only one authorised display pilot, and he is currently training a new guy to be the display pilot (but I guess he is no longer 'the display pilot'). Unfortunate, but even on the ground they looked great.
Something about displays being risky business :D\

I'm currently tending to some pretty bad sunburn from the airshow.:ok: Photos to come soon!

[Allan L]

At least the Yanks look the part as well as act the part


At least they pick the smarter ones, but with 310 million to chose from I guess they can find 1 or 2, maybe even 3:ooh:

[Macchi 408]

One question I have to ask and that's been thrown around very recently is, will we see an Avalon 2013?

[VH-XXX]

Given the record crowd this year, there's no doubt Avalon 2013 will happen.

[bentleg]

Easy in and out for Sunday!!
I recall seeing a very nice Super King Air backing up into position opposite the Roulettes. Walking past and seeing the passengers hop out, I thought, now that is a nice way to arrive.

Yes that Kingair was a very nice aircraft.

He was a bit of a prima donna. He did not have the required prior permission from ASDU (all charters and private flyers were required to go VFR to Avalon East). ATC and ASDU did the right thing and let him in. Then at 4 pm he decides he wants to go and taxis to holding point and calls. ATC says no as the flying display is still happening so he gets stuck into them. ATC quite rightly insisted he shut down at the holding point and wait until the display finished at 5 pm.

Did he not read AIP SUP? Or maybe he thought it didn't apply to him? Just as well there were not too many like that.......

[nitpicker330]

I saw that Kingair taxy up then shutdown during the latter part ofthe show. I wonderered what he was up to. I hope he got nice and hot sitting on the taxyway with both shutdown!! Serves him right. Even I could read the AIP.

Overall a good show, bloody big crowd.

Does anyone know how many turned up Sun?

[Regs]

So does anyone know why the B1 just turned up at one of the RAAF bases on its way home?

[Critical Reynolds No]

Gear problem. Needed jacks that Avalon don't have. MickB will post a picture with the mains locked away with the nose gear still in the breeze.

[HarleyD]

Both B1 s got airborne on Monday about Midday for departure. Those who saw the B1 on flying display days saw it get airborne in about 1200 m or so, very speccy, but when full to the guts with fuel they were really using a lot of runway 36, in fact most of it, to get up and away, except they didn't go away, they went round and round a few times with one with wheel up and one with wheels down. wheels up then departed to the north on climb and wheels down departed to the south for about 45 min and when they came back they landed back on AV. I was on the way home by then so missed the return.

I suppose there are a few hundred thousand pounds of jet A1 floating around in bass straight, possibly close to where it gets dug up, that lightened the load for Hawk 01's landing.

The B1 may have had a crap operational career in the USAF, but is the only military jet that rings my bell more than the F111.

I had a chat with the pilots on sunday morning, and they were pretty cool dudes who just love that monster.

HD

[mickk]

I spoke to several non aviation enthusiasts today that went, their first or second time around. They all loved it. To them its like the Royal Show, they dont take scanners, chairs, binos, tape recorders, 20k worth of lenses, 4 cameras, a video, take regos, measure speeds or compare it to anything but the movie Top Gun.

Sometimes I wish I was like that, it would be easier.

On the bus to YAVE after Sunday, a message came over the bus, or was it coach? radio. A polly needed a gate opened urgently to get in somewhere. As a chorus the entire compliment cried out "tell him to get.... let the bastard wait.. who does he think he is...where is he....gimme the mic!" it was a blast.

[Mick.B]

Photo as requested

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[Mick.B]

Great Matt Hall Cockpit vid. Well worth the look. In HD watch in full screen.

YouTube - Avalon Air Show 2011 Saturday (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=m3wSDJDt6pE)

[PyroTek]

My photos are sitting in the photos thread for anyone who wants to see:ok:

[Critical Reynolds No]

Here is the C27J doing a roll.
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