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Agaricus bisporus
24th Dec 2010, 15:04
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30-7-27 Newspaper not identified


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Annotated "Moth arrives at Hucknall Aug 1927 Sir Harold Bowden greeting Martin on Landing

For info the 1927 King's Cup Air Race was won by W.L. Hope
in a DH60 Moth G-EBME race number 5 on 30 Jul '27 at 92.8mph

Hugh Broad won in the previous year, also in a DH60 G-EBMO
He became DeHavilland's Chief TestPilot and in 1931 flew the "first" Tiger Moth (ie DH82) on its inaugural flight, but more of Tiger Moths later.

The Bowden Baronetcy, was created on 23 June 1915 for Frank Bowden (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Sir_Frank_Bowden,_1st_Baronet), founder of the Raleigh Bicycle Company (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Raleigh_Bicycle_Company). Sir Harold was High Sheriff of Nottingham from 1933 to 38. He entered a Cirrus engined MothX in this race, flown by one Bernard Martin...

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Moth Annotated "Kings Cup Air Race Hucknall 1926 The DH60X Moth Nottinghamshire's entry"

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Presumably the 1927 winner WL Hope in G-EBME

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According to G-INFO this is the one and only Avro 566 Avenger II. Bet that sounded sweet when the Lion roared...

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Cierva C8L MkII (G-INFO again)


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Ladies flew too!


At the 15 picture limit here, so To Be Continued...



whirlwind
28th Dec 2010, 14:50
AgBi, Nice. You don't happen to have any pics of the 1938 Folkestone Aero Trophy race do you? I have a special interest in the winning machine (DH87).

Agaricus bisporus
28th Dec 2010, 19:04
Sadly not. This is only a part of a family photo album.

If anyone can advise me how to I'd love to post it here but can't figure out how to get a photobucket resized (problem 1) let alone post the whole album to PPRuNe (problem 2).

I know, its all explained on the stickies and on photobucket!

Unfortunately to normal brained people it just isn't.

Planemike
29th Dec 2010, 09:02
A/b.......

Hey, pleased to see that I am not the only one who is totally baffled by this IT mumbo-jumbo!!! Simple, it is NOT !!!!!!!!

Planemike

India Four Two
29th Dec 2010, 13:48
Ab,

You've loaded the pictures into Photobucket already. That's more than half the battle :ok:

A picture is worth a thousand words they say, so here's five thousand:

Open your Photobucket album, point to the picture you want to load and click on the address in the box to the right of the words "Direct link". A message saying "Copied" will briefly appear.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Screenshot2010-12-29at210934.png

Now switch to the Reply you are preparing in AH&N. Position the cursor where you want to insert the picture. For ease of editing text, I recommend that you have a blank line above and below the proposed location of the photo.

Now click on the image icon at the top of the message area - it's the yellow square with the grey mountains and grey sun:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Screenshot2010-12-29at212629.png

A pop-up window will appear:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Screenshot2010-12-29at212602.png

Do NOT click in the pop-up, just select Edit Paste from your browser menu (or Ctrl+V in Windows, Cmd+V in a Mac). The URL of your Photobucket image will appear:
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c309/india42/Screenshot2010-12-29at213927.png

Click OK et voilą:
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/Kings%20Cup%201926/kingscup_0003.jpg

I hope that helps.
I42

PS What kind of Moth is that?

DeepestSouth
29th Dec 2010, 16:51
From the radial engine I'd suggest a DH 60 Genet Moth - which had an Armstrong Siddeley Genet engine. Only 6 were built so this is a rare Moth, and I suspect a pretty rare photo. All 6 were used by the RAF Central Flying School - I think for display purposes although other, wiser Pruners may know better! All had serial numbers starting with J88**. What appears to be an RAF roundel on the fuselage is a further clue.

Sir George Cayley
29th Dec 2010, 23:21
And who are those Chaps?

SGC

ps Thanks I42 always wanted to know the secret :ok:

India Four Two
30th Dec 2010, 00:14
Sir George,

You've made my day. I've taught something to the father of aviation. ;)

Agaricus bisporus
30th Dec 2010, 11:44
http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/Kings%20Cup%201926/kingscup_0022.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/Kings%20Cup%201926/kingscup_0021.jpg

And which aircraft burned out? A DeHavilland I'm pretty sure, but which one, and how/where? Any sleuths out there?



http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc189/agaricusbisporus/Kings%20Cup%201926/kingscup_0003.jpg
This picture is framed seperately from the rest and is not part of the album, so I guess it is from a later date as indicated by the annotation on the back, " L to R Captain Broad. Kings Cup race winner, the late Sir Sefton Brancker, David Rushworth, DC Rushworth. Sir Sefton Brancker - Arrival at Hucknall Aerodrome - to give his address to Nottingham Rotarians"

Director of Civil Aviation from 1922 Sir Sefton was also chairman of the Royal Aero Club's Racing Committee from 1921 to 1930 and his dynamic leadership led to the RAeC forming the Light Aero Club scheme in 1925, which helped provide the UK clubs with examples of such new and improved aircraft types as the DeHavilland Moth and Avro Avian.
He died in the wreck of the R101 on 5 October, 1930 (Wikipedia)

David Rushworth was my Gt Grandfather who was clearly involved in organising this event as per the newspaper cutting in post 1. DC Rushworth was my Grandfather. Sadly this album surfaced after his death or I'd have chapter and verse on all this.


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Sir Sefton Brancker on the right, but who's the Anthony Worral-Thomson lookalike on the left?
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Related links;
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1927/1927%20-%200882.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1927/1927%20-%200579.jpg
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1927/1927%20-%200542.jpg read through to "what they are, where they are, why they are cannot be divu...That's a historic moment, surely?
http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1927/1927%20-%200585.jpg and subsequent pages


Also from Flight, Aug 17(?);" A NEW light 'plane club has sprung upon the movement, complete with a machine and pilot, with very little pre- liminary announcement. This is the Nottingham Aero Club whose President is Sir Harold Bowden, Bt., who figures in our latest list of private owners. Sir Albert Ball, J.P.. the father of the famous Captain Albert Ball, V.C., is the acting Vice-President; Mr. D. Rushworth, the Chairman ; Mr. C. R. Sands, A.C.A., the Hon. Treasurer ; and Mr. R. Macpherson, the Hon. Secretary. The Club's pilot is Mr. Bernard Martin, who was a competitor in the King's Cup race, flying the Club's " Moth," which he flew up from Stag Lane to Notting- ham a few days before the race. The headquarters of the new Club are at the United Services Club, Nottingham"

India 42, many thanks for putting me straight, it really isn't that hard when you know how!

Planemike
30th Dec 2010, 13:06
A/b............

Well done you are a smart chap!!! Interesting photos, well worth airing.

I agree with Deepest South, certainly a Genet Moth.

What is a Photobucket? How does it work?

Planemike

DeepestSouth
30th Dec 2010, 13:48
Agaricus Bisporus,

I've done a bit more delving and you are right to express doubt. According to the ab-ix website, it looks as though the Genet Moths were not delivered to CFS until June 1927 - a tad late for the 1926 King's Cup!. There is ANOTHER Genet listed, though - G-EBOU which was registered to the De Havilland company in July 1926, CofA'd in Sep 1926 and flown by Hubert Broad in the Lympne Trials. Looks like only the King's Cup archives will resolve this!

Agaricus bisporus
30th Dec 2010, 14:33
DS, this is the 1927 race, not '26

Planemike
30th Dec 2010, 17:27
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This aircraft is still extant, preserved in the Musee de L'Air at le Bourget. It is the first rotary winged a/c to have flown across the English Channel.

Interesting to see a photgraph of it at Hucknall. Some of the hangars in the background are still standing, within the Rolls Royce works.

Planemike

DeepestSouth
30th Dec 2010, 17:35
1927 it is - silly me!

So .. the Genets are still in with a chance!

DS

Agaricus bisporus
30th Dec 2010, 18:37
Planemike, thanks! I really must visit the Musee at le Bourget.

Now, re your query about photobucket...you seem well able to post pics here so do you really need to know? Because if you do India Four Two has thoughtfully nominated me as the local expert on image posting (he having just put me straight on the subject) so if it comes to the blind leading the blind you know where to ask...


Anyone else able to dig up more facts about the events of the 1927 King's Cup Air Race?
It must have been quite a feline event with those Genets purring, Lions roaring and the still secret and scarcely whelped Tiger kits mewling almost inaudibly.

Shame this particular year's event was recorded as a damp squib due to a high dropout rate and poor handicapping rules.

Planemike
30th Dec 2010, 19:16
A/b..........

No really I have no idea where to start!! I have a few images I would be happy share but they will likely remain in an album or packet. I am a slow learner when it comes to IT!!

Your photo of the Genet has me intrigued. It would seem that only seven Genet powered Moths were build G-EBOU and the six for the RAF J8816 - J8821.

G-EBOU was built so that the a/c would comply with the rules for the 1926 Lympne trials. I do not know what markings (if any) it wore at that stage. A photo in AJJs BCA 1919 - 1972 Vol II shows it in 1928 wearing it's civil reg. plus the manadatory "G" on the rudder.

The six RAF machines were delivered in time for them to particpate in 1927 RAF Hendon display. A photo in AJJ's de Havilland Aircraft since 1909 shows four of them in military markings with tri-coloured rudders. Did they all have the same colour scheme?

One of them J8818 later went on to be flown by Sir Sefton Brancker, Director of Civil Aviation as G-EDCA.

So am still puzzled as to which a/c appears in your photo.

Planemike

Agaricus bisporus
30th Dec 2010, 19:20
The more you dig the more you find.

Check this out! Three years before the Tiger Moth we all know and love, and the above mentioned Hubert Broad who first flew it we discover this!

I had no idea! None whatever, that the "Tiger Moth" had a predecessor...

http://www.flightglobal.com/FlightPDFArchive/1927/1927%20-%200719.jpg

AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHH! Ballix!!

Can someone translate this link, plus my others above into someting useful for humanity?

Planemike
30th Dec 2010, 19:27
Ha ha.... IT, isn't it wonderful, don't you just love it?!!!

Yep.......two deH 71s built and interestingly two replicas have been constructed. One in the UK G-ECDX, partially complete not flown and one in the USA which has had air under its wings. Seem to recall seeing it on U-tube.

Planemike