EK short of pilots?

[GMC1500]

I had my PPC/training cancelled yesterday so that I could operate a Tehran turnaround tonight (FO). I asked the controller and he said they had nobody else.:eek:
I've never had this happen before here or previous companies. Training slots are usually considered pretty sacred, no?

[White Knight]

Nothing new!!!! Been like this for a long time!!!

[jumbo1]

Capt or F/O?

[atiuta]

Maybe both?

[captainsmiffy]

Top bid and managed to get, and am enjoying, a run of 7 days off (not bad for airbus!)...however, the phone rang on the afternoon of the preceeding rest day and it was crewing enquiring if I wanted to enjoy a night flight to Madras tonight! "Not me, guv!" was the response - they don't even have the nous to offer a guy a decent trip on his day off so what can they expect?!! Did he really think that I would be enticed to wreck valuable time off (recovery time, more like) to do a night flight? Thinking that we clearly live on different planets these days!

[Flyer1015]

Well, if they truly are short of pilots, then drop the 30 ton rule and my app would be in!

[Aussie]

Mate drop the 30T rule and theyll have another 5000 Applications no doubt...:ugh:

[donpizmeov]

Flyer1015 they (and EY, GF and QR) also need you to be able to hear from both ears. Stay with that Air Blue app. Also check the thread about the new cargo contract for EK if you want heavy metal.

The Don

[Flyer1015]

donpizmeov,

You must have really spent time browsing post history to make your post above. Ouch, that hurts. :ouch: Anyway, I fly in the US with no problems because one of the provisions for 1st class medical is the ability to hear an average conversational voice from 6 feet away, and I pass that easily. No waivers/restrictions for me here. I think most foreign airline options are out, except the UAE, because the GCAA 1st class medical standards for hearing is similar to that of the FAA. If I interview at EK or QR, best case scenario would be hired, worse cast scenario would be denied due to medical. At least I still fly in the US, so it's more like certain doors that aren't open to me, but walk down the path further, other doors will open.

As for your comments on AirBlue, I currently fly for a regional in the US, and have no intention on applying to AirBlue. In addition, I do not want to do contract work.

I'll probably stick it out here. 2010 is almost over, and the legacy retirements will pick up as soon as people start hitting age 65. I personally think that most legacy airlines in the US will be hiring like crazy in the next 2-3 years, if only just to help stem the losses from massive forced retirements.

[donpizmeov]

Sorry Flyer, I don't think I explained it very well. To pass the medical over here you do need to be able to hear from both ears. Not trying to be smart, just stating the facts. I know of two chaps that have lost medicals over here for having hearing in one ear fall below whatever threshold is set (I don't know what db that would be).

The Don

[Flyer1015]

In that case, I'm surprised Emirates wouldn't fall back on just GCAA 1st class medical standards. The ability to hear an average conversational voice 6 feet away.... is a standard that if passed, should be sufficient according to 1st class standards. It's the same way in the US with the FAA. I fail the audiogram in the left ear but this 'ability to hear avg. convo voice 6 feet away' is the life saver! I would hope that if any pilot at EK fails the audiogram, then at the very least they should be afforded the opportunity to pass that avg. convo voice 6 feet away test. Doing so should be fit for GCAA 1st class standards. And as long as you have the GCAA medical, then I would hope they can fly again.

[Alcatraz69]

Why would anyone want to join EK ! after all these posts....

Well if you dont have a choice.. Yes but if Not ...

[jackbauer]

Flyer, what Don is saying is true. If you fail the audiogram that's it. They don't sit you 6 feet away and whisper sweet nothings to see if you blush! You must pass the audiogram or no class 1.

[Flyer1015]

I have to conclude those are Emirate-specific standards, not UAE GCAA 1st class medical standards.



From the UAE GCAA First Class Medical Standards:

Link: http://www.gcaa.ae/en/ePublication/_layouts/GCAA/ePublication/DownloadFile.aspx?Un=/en/epublication/admin/Library Pdf/Civil Aviation Regulations (CARs)/LICENSING REGULATIONS/Ch. 5.pdf


5.4.4 Hearing Requirements

5.4.4.1 The applicant, when tested on a pure-tone audiometer, shall not have a hearing loss, in either ear separately, of more than 35 dB at any of the frequencies 500, 1000 or 2000 Hz, or more than 50 dB at 3 000 Hz

5.4.4.1.1 An applicant with a hearing loss greater than the above may be declared fit provided that:

(a) the applicant has normal hearing performance against a background noise that reproduces or simulates the masking properties of flight deck noise upon speech and beacon signals; and

(b) the applicant has the ability to hear an average conversational voice in a quiet room, using both ears, at a distance of 2 meters (6 feet) from the examiner, with the back turned to the examiner

Note 1. It is important that the background noise be representative of the noise in the cockpit of the type of aircraft for which the applicant licence and ratings are valid.

Note 2. In the speech material for discrimination testing, both aviation-relevant phrases and phonetically balanced words are normally used.

5.4.4.1.2. alternatively, other methods providing equivalent results to those specified previously shall be used.

[jackbauer]

You don't want to listen do you. EK WILL INSIST YOU PASS THE AUDIOGRAM. Deaf in both ears I think.

[fatbus]

Unfortunately EK can have what ever Med Requirements it whats as long as they meet the Min for GCAA

[STD]

Guys,

If you post your Roster, (what you were supposed to do, and to which flight were you pulled out, which date and rank, etc.) := for sure the company will know who your are.... Food for thought....

Be SMART!:ok:

[donpizmeov]

Flyer I bow down to your Superior knowledge about all things in the desert. :hmm:

The Don

[Flyer1015]

You don't want to listen do you. EK WILL INSIST YOU PASS THE AUDIOGRAM. Deaf in both ears I think.

:=
Since you are trying to be a smart azz, you don't hear a forum, you see it. You read it. So your implication that I'm deaf in both ears doesn't work for reading a forum. Being blind would have worked better.

Flyer I bow down to your Superior knowledge about all things in the desert.
I only posted the GCAA Aviation Regulations, Chp 5 Medical requirements. That was all. It's not about superior knowledge, it's about following the trail and finding out exactly where the problem lies. It's not in Chp 5 of the aviation regulations, so it must be airline-specific requirements. British Airways is the same way. As if UK's CAA 1st class medical standards aren't strict enough already, British has their own medical requirements that they subject pilots to, more strict than the CAA. In many countries, it happens. Luckily in the United States, that type of dicrimination doesn't exist. As long as you hold a FAA 1st class medical, you're basically good to go.

[Flying Spag Monster]

Luckily in the United States, that type of dicrimination doesn't exist

There lies your first problem, you will hate it in the desert if you keep the "back home" attitude. Regulations, fareness, common sense, rites, call them what you like, are not a factor to companies/government in the desert if it doesn't suit them. If those things are pillars of your life then struggle you will. Flyer, why apply to EK if you believe the US majors will behiring like crazy in the next 2-3 years?

Otherwise wait for the pre-reqs to change and come on over...

[Capt.Easy]

Hey together,

do you think they will lower the min. Requirements within the next time? Or will they never consider applicants with low hours like TT2000 and Airbus on Type 1500?

Thanks ;)

[non0]

... well the economic looks pretty stable in this slow but steady wake-up... a couple of majors are hiring both in US and UK and it's just a matter of time ... so there's no reason to go to the sandpit unless you really willing to! my 2 cents

[Flyer1015]

Exactly, I think I'm gonna wait it out. Before, my airline wasn't hiring nor upgrading. Now they are doing both. Before, Delta/Airtran/Jetblue were not hiring, now they are. 2010 is almost over, and US Airways and Spirit will hire for 2011. Along with SWA (out of their pool) and more planned hiring at JetBlue. That's 2011 alone. Once 2012/2013 come around, the legacy retirements will finally start, and the numbers will be throw the roof! I'm gonna hold on for the US economy. The sand pit idea sounded nice when there was no movement here, but now that momentum has gained traction, I think I'll wait it out.

Paitently optimistic :)

[Iver]

Why don't you get some 777 time in the meantime? Get 2 years of 777 experience flying worldwide and then jump to Jet Blue to fly one of their E190s.

[harry the cod]

Iver

Are you sure that's such a good idea?

After 2 years in Emirates, how could Flyer1015 ever hope to regain the confidence and ability to do a visual! :E

Harry

[Aussie]

That bad is it guys....? :{:{

[Flyer1015]

You guys don't do visuals?

[BobDole]

All the time.... So long as the auto pilot is on and the FMA says CAT3 Dual..... :}

[kotakota]

Not so sure that EK are struggling to recruit - they have just rejected an application form a very competent co-pilot I fly with who ticks all the boxes , except that he is 50 with no heavy command time.

[Aussie]

Mate, like said earlier... while they have a 30T rule.... they are far from desperate... :)