View Full Version : ATPL ground school (dl) before ppl ?
21st Sep 2010, 10:21
Will I be able to commence atpl groundschool (dl) with bristol/cats without a ppl or any flying experience?
Would be grateful for replies straight to the point.
21st Sep 2010, 10:23
Nope, you must have completed the PPL before commencing an ATPL theory course.
21st Sep 2010, 23:21
Thanks for your reply G Sixty.
A little confused as to why students at oxford, cabair etc; are able to complete all of their groundschool before commencing any flying ?
They're doing an integrated course.
22nd Sep 2010, 07:45
You must admit, it is a bit weird though. Do you think the CAA are involved?
22nd Sep 2010, 12:49
Not just the CAA but the whole debacle known as Joint Aviation Requirements Flight Crew Licensing Part 1, soon (ish) to be replaced by EASA's EU Regulations.
If you are on an integrated course then you simply do the ATPL Theory but you are not issued with a PPL, only a CPL IR.
The Modular route requires you to take one step at a time, PPL, CPL, IR, and for PPL issue you need to complete the PPL theory exams.
22nd Sep 2010, 18:01
Well, if you did 3min research and checked out the mentioned DL schools, you'd know the answer. Anyway..
BUT, nothing prohibits you from making headstart by finding some resources online or lending/buying some books to study from. If you don't have PPL yet, I think it makes more sense studying for the PPL first, going for basics, then more advanced stuff. If you're geeky and know it all already, then why not reading up ATPL stuff?
The catch is, in modular, you can't be officially enrolled on the course.
Had I been one of those 'cadets' these days, I'd have found it pretty damn boring to read tons of stuff I can't relate to ('just yet'). Would anyone sane pass all the PPL exams before going up in the air for the first time? So why ATPL? :uhoh:
22nd Sep 2010, 22:23
Would anyone sane pass all the PPL exams before going up in the air for the first time?I passed five of my PPL exams with only a half hour trial lesson behind me. I make no comment on my sanity. :}
However, it was hard as there were certain aspects which made no sense but no worse than when I did my CPL(H) exams when they were all fixed wing based. :8
30th Sep 2010, 04:12
Well, nerdy helicopter types are excluded :ok: We know we're hooked up for life.
Actually, after finishing my PPL(A) recently, if I'm doing European theory, I'm going to take advantage of heli interim ATPL theory system. Asked CATS, still do it. That leaves me with heli POF on top, nothing else. Also, since I do plenty related stuff on my course for fixed winging and know and will know more about helis (CPL here I come next year in the US), it's not too bad.
True, for someone who does only rotary stuff, the airliner tosh must be a pain, so good vibes for Paco and his course.