Spare chieftain seats for Birdsville Races (from YSBK)

[Rojer Wilco]

I'm flying a chieftain out to Birdsville Races (private ops) and have a few spare seats going for a grand and a bit if anyone's interested. Departing from Bankstown.

RH control seat's still vacant and up for grabs...

Note: Whilst I'm a CPL, this is a private flight amoungst myself and some mates.

PM me.

[maverick22]

Can I log ICUS if I take the RH control seat ;)

[goldypilot]

negative haha no ICUS unless in a comercial op. :=

[Jack Ranga]

Will there be more than 6 pob?

[Capt Casper]

Be careful! Note (a) & (b)

(7A) An aircraft that carries persons on a flight, otherwise than in
accordance with a fixed schedule between terminals, is employed in a
private operation if:
(a) public notice of the flight has not been given by any form of
public advertisement or announcement; and
(b) the number of persons on the flight, including the operating crew,
does not exceed 6; and
(c) no payment is made for the services of the operating crew; and
(d) the persons on the flight, including the operating crew, share
equally in the costs of the flight; and
(e) no payment is required for a person on the flight other than a
payment under paragraph (d).

[Gen. Anaesthetic]

Casper

They are cumulative clauses, meaning all of those conditions have to be satisfied for private operations to be satisfied. This is indicated by the "and" at the end of each paragraph. If it was "or" then they are alternative clauses meaning only one condition has to be met.

Probably stating the obvious here...

[Peter Fanelli]

(a) public notice of the flight has not been given by any form of
public advertisement or announcement; and

Well PPRuNe sure isn't private so I'd say the announcement has been made.

[Tinstaafl]

I suppose you could argue PPRuNe is a private club. Membership is required, after all...

The requirement for a max. of 6 POB will be the most limiting if the intent was to cost share every available seat.

[Brian Abraham]

But, but....... there are CASA approved private operations in the country that don't comply with any of those provisions.

[RatsoreA]

But, but....... there are CASA approved private operations in the country that don't comply with any of those provisions.

You refer to meat bombing aka organic lawn darts aka skydiving...

Lets see now...

(a) public notice of the flight has not been given by any form of
public advertisement or announcement; and - Nope, I seen me an ad-ver-tize-ment showen a plane innit!

(b) the number of persons on the flight, including the operating crew,
does not exceed 6; and - I might be wrong on this one, but tandem masters don't qualify as a 'person' I think has something to do with already being dead inside and not having a soul... Or maybe when you glue the TM to the paying customer, they are only counted as one 'person'...

(c) no payment is made for the services of the operating crew; and Hahahahahahaha... Payment. That was their word, not mine. I got paid more for taking the garbage out when I was 6...

(d) the persons on the flight, including the operating crew, share
equally in the costs of the flight; and - Nope, I am not giving anyone my hard earned to chuck someone off a plane unless I (a) don't like them to begin with (b) get to push them myself (c) they don't have rig or TM on their back!

(e) no payment is required for a person on the flight other than a
payment under paragraph (d). - I believe the TM's also get some sort of remuneration too!

[Brian Abraham]

Nope, an operation that would be the envy of any regional airline.

[CitationJet]

Those are not the requirements for a private operation.

Those are the requirements for a cost sharing flight to be deemed pvt.

[blacklabel]

No pilot will go coz they can't log anything and you won't get an extra passenger coz it's too expensive. So you're gona have to charge everybody more and they're gona start winging coz they can't take any baggage.
You're little shonky twin hour building op will end up dying in the arse the week before Birdsville.

[Brian Abraham]

My bad CJ, knee jerk response. :(

[apache]

i got taught really early on, that the FLIGHT is free, but I will make you lunch... and THAT will cost you $1200 or whatever you need!

give a receipt for the lunch.... and all is legit!

[The Green Goblin]

I'd be more inclined to take a Baron :)

It'll probably climb on one, it's more cost effective with the pax numbers you will more than likely get, has far more room in the nose and aft baggage zone for gear than the PA31 and lets face it, is far more fun to fly!

[RatsoreA]

GG

It'll probably climb on one

I have made a PA31 with a full load climb on one out the back of nowhere! But, that aside,

far more fun to fly!

What about an aerostar!!! Much more fun, and makes your Baron look like the ugly stepsisters uglier stepsister!! Faster too!!!
:E

[Jack Ranga]

:D :D

No pilot will go coz they can't log anything and you won't get an extra passenger coz it's too expensive. So you're gona have to charge everybody more and they're gona start winging coz they can't take any baggage.
You're little shonky twin hour building op will end up dying in the arse the week before Birdsville.


That was Ranga circa 2006. :ugh:

All except the 'shonky twin hour building op' bizzo :}

[Rojer Wilco]

:ugh: Why do I post here again?

*sigh*

If I was hour building, would I be flying there in a chieftain? I'm actually going there with some mates for a beer and the races. We go most years. Two blokes who regularly come with us have unexpected work commitments arising from yesterday's roster.

Uh-oh, who called the lawyers?

7(A) is to allow cost sharing, and doesn't apply in this instance.

I'm flying in accordance with 7(d)(viii). If I wanna take 10 pax, I'll take 10.

BTW, I'm not taking 10.

[Capt Casper]

What about the " a few spare seats going for a grand " bit?
You'd be better off taking Apache's advice.

[Peter Fanelli]

I guess CASA will be looking closely at any Chieftains turning up after having seen the Ad in this forum.


Uh-oh, who called the lawyers?

7(A) is to allow cost sharing, and doesn't apply in this instance.


So you're selling seats on a private flight is that it?

Ok I'm interested, please advise name of pilot in command and who do I make the cheque out to?
Who's AOC are you using?
Will this be an e-ticket or paper ticket?

[Hasherucf]

Damn no wonder aviation is going backward . Before the CASA even has a chance to say anything his mates bible bash RW with mob style justice .:{

Watch out for the policatial correct crowd , the regulator , random alcohol/drug tests , internal exams , ASIC checks and the vigilante ppruners mob when your in Birdsville RW :ok:

God forbid you enjoy your trip with mates

[Jack Ranga]

I don't reckon there's too much bible bashing going on here, ignorance (or feigning it) is no defence if you find yourself in court!

Personally don't have a problem with a fella grabbing a Cheiftain and taking 9 mates out to Birdsville. Went through a lot of organisation to do it myself, even had the use of an AOC but got let down at the last minute by a couple of tight arsed wankas that spoilt it for the serious 4 blokes who'd committed.

There are some mind numbingly stupid rules in this industry, who is going to change them and how? Stuffed if I know, better men than I have banged their heads against a brick wall for years :ugh:

Stuffed if I'd be breaking stupid rules to make a point with an authority that you WILL NOT win against though.

[sprocket check]

Hey, maybe CASA should delegate the responsibility for anything up to 5700 and 12 seats or so to RAA.

That'll fix up GA....:ugh:

What an incredibly wasteful and regressive system we are forced to tolerate.

[Rojer Wilco]

Wow, what a ruckus. Who'd have thunk it? :D

I suppose I'm grateful to you all for keeping my thread at the top of the board.

Not that I'm paranoid... but maybe I should clarify a few things.

At the moment I have myself and three pax. Two more would be ideal. By the time you stuff six people, bags and swags in a chieftain there ain't that much spare space. Trust me, I do it a fair bit.

If CASA wants to argue that this thread is some sort of ernest attempt by me to announce the flight publicly, then they can see me (the lawyer) in court.

Goodness me.

[tail wheel]

Free advertising of a commercial charter is not permitted. :mad: