Minimum requirement for ATPL

[K3nnyboy]

Hi all,

I was reading the CAR as part of my prep. toward my ATPL exams, when I got to this part (Section 5.172) where it talks about the requirement of having 1500 hours, I've got abit confused.

Here's my problems:
1) "1500 hours of flight time that includes 750hours as pilot of a registered aeroplane, or a recognised aeroplane Where can I find the definition of a recognised aeroplane?? Is it in the CAR?

2) In Section 5.172 (4) says "The balance of the 1500 hours of flight time must consist of any 1 or more of the following:
a) not more than 750 hours of flight time as pilot of a registered aeroplane or a recognised aeroplane............etc.

Could someone please clarify that for me please??:sad: Reading the first three sub-section was ok, but soon as I got to (4) it was all hell again :ouch:

cheers~~Thx in advance pplz~:ok:

KB

[kalavo]

Have you flown anything other than a VH- registered aeroplane? If so tell us and we'll let you know if you can count the hours. If not, stop worrying.

[jetstar1]

Where can I find the definition of a recognised aeroplane?? Is it in the CAR?

Yes - in the Interpretation section right at the front...

recognised aeroplane means an aeroplane:
(a) that is on the register of aircraft kept by a Contracting State; or
(b) that is operated by the Defence Force of Australia or of a Contracting State.

And while we are at it...

aeroplane means a power-driven heavier-than-air aircraft
deriving its lift in flight chiefly from aerodynamic reactions on
surfaces remaining fixed under given conditions of flight, but
does not include a power-assisted sailplane.

I hope that helps :ok:

[K3nnyboy]

No I haven't, in fact, im only a low time pilot who just got back into the industry. Planning to get all my theory exams done whilst building hours up slowly.

Just wanna learn more about it for exam purpose, and well....it's good to know in general. :}

KB

[training wheels]

Quote:
recognised aeroplane means an aeroplane:
(a) that is on the register of aircraft kept by a Contracting State; or
(b) that is operated by the Defence Force of Australia or of a Contracting State.


If the definition of 'contracting state' means another country, then it doesn't have to be in a VH registered aircraft, confirm?

[AerocatS2A]

Yeah it doesn't have to be VH- registered, just registered.

[K3nnyboy]

thanks heaps!!! Just that I haven't been touching any of the document for ages, gone bit rusty :uhoh:

Since you guys are being so helpful, I've got another question.....it's about the section where the CAR mentions about "The balance of the 1500 hours..." it said it must include at least one of the three options, but the part where it talks about not more than 750 hours really get me. According to my understanding, it means a pilot cant have more than 750hours on a recognised aeroplane, which kind of contradict to what been said before....help please~~~:ugh:

cheers~
KB:ok:

[AerocatS2A]

Well that is referring to the balance of the 1500 hours, so you've already had to have 750 hours in a registered aircraft and they're saying the rest of it can be in a registered aircraft as well. I suspect the "not more than" phrasing is just to align the phrasing with the other options as it doesn't make any difference or maybe it's closing some loophole that I can't see. In short, the entire 1500 hours may be in a bog standard registered aeroplane.

[K3nnyboy]

Thanks Aerocat!!

After I post up my previous question, I went ahead and read over the section over n over again, for some strange reason, it clicked and everything seems alot more clearer. It's funny how the legal document (not just in aviation), the wording could sound contradicting, but after reading it couple more times....it starts to make sense.

Thanks guys~~:ok: