PDA

View Full Version : Concorde at Sinsheim


The late XV105
2nd Aug 2010, 18:41
Reading a comment in the Military forum about properly mounting display Lightnings to show off the aircraft to good effect reminded me of my annual drive from UK to Czech Republic that usually includes driving past the transport museum at Sinsheim in Germany.

My wife grabbed some photos this year as we whizzed by (stopping will be when my three and a half year old son is a little older!) and I reproduce them here. F-BVFB is shown with Tupolev cousin SSSR-77112.

From afar on the A6 autobahn:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/mach1point02/IMG_100716113007.jpg

Closer from the A6:
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/mach1point02/IMG_100716113645.jpg

The same base photo as above but with a little cropping and the museum sign and some lamp posts edited out. That's more like it! :)
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s202/mach1point02/IMG_100716113645_2.jpg

She may have been delivered on a barge (and a low loader) in a major operation and with her wings clipped, but at least she's not "displayed" on a barge or dusty apron!

Proplinerman
3rd Aug 2010, 07:28
And here's a close up shot of the TU-144 that I took some years ago-the Concorde had yet to arrive then.

JetPhotos.Net Photo » CCCP77112 (CN: 07-1) Aeroflot Tupolev TU-144 by Michael Blank (http://tinyurl.com/2ck25s5)

Good Vibs
3rd Aug 2010, 08:03
Nice Photos
"Its a "Crime" not stopping for a visit when you are so close.
They have been collecting for at least 30 years.
A great collection and worth more than a day.
Nearby, to the east in Bad Friedrichshall, is also an underground salt mine (salzbergwerk) you can visit and great for children older than 5 or so.

Proplinerman
3rd Aug 2010, 08:08
Yes, it's an excellent museum, with, in addition to the SSTs, a Tu-134, a Viscount, Ilyushins 18 and 14, a Percival Pembroke, a Canberra, a DC3, a JU52, several Luftwaffe 2nd World War aircraft and more.

The late XV105
3rd Aug 2010, 12:51
Nice Photos
"Its a "Crime" not stopping for a visit when you are so close.

Thanks for the compliment (duly passed to the missus although I'm usually the enthusiast photographer in the family!).

Not quite a "crime", I hope. As mentioned I will stop when my son (and his twin sister for that matter!) are a few years older that their current three and a half years. I'm sure the museum will still be there, probably with something new and exciting too, and we can have the fun of exploring and each pointing things out to the other. :)

Nearby, to the east in Bad Friedrichshall, is also an underground salt mine (salzbergwerk) you can visit and great for children older than 5 or so.

Thanks for the tip :)

The late XV105
3rd Aug 2010, 12:56
And here's a close up shot of the TU-144 that I took some years ago-the Concorde had yet to arrive then.

Thanks for that. I'm looking forward to the unique opportunity of seeing the two together, close up.

stevew62
4th Aug 2010, 06:58
What the above photo's don't show is that both Concorde & the Tuplov are mounted on the roof of the museum.

Access is free ( once you have paid to get into the museum all displays are free ), but controlled numbers of visitors are allowed inside the planes. "YES" you can enter the planes & walk around.

Here's the museum web page showing Concorde & a video showing it's arrival / current location => http://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/concorde-f-bvfb (http://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/concorde-f-bvfb)


The Museum is well worth the visit, I've been there at least 5 times. a day is not long enough !


All the Best
Steve

Flying_Frisbee
4th Aug 2010, 07:13
They also have a sister museum in Speyer, not far away.
Highlights there are a Lufthansa 747, an Anotonov AN-22 and the Russian space shuttle, the Buran.

dixi188
4th Aug 2010, 09:26
Concorde and TU144.

Many years ago, about 1972, I went to the Hannover airshow.
Parked next to each other were the two SST airliners.

The Concorde wing upper surface was all complex curves, same with the TU144.
The wing lower surface of the Concorde was also all complex curves whereas the lower surface of the TU144 was flat.

My theory at the time was that the Russians only had aerial photo's to work from.

Was this the reason that the russian airliner could only maintain Mach 2 with afterburners and hence only had a range of about 2000 miles, whereas the Concorde had a range of 3000+ miles?

Proplinerman
4th Aug 2010, 09:26
"They also have a sister museum in Speyer, not far away."

Yes and I went to Speyer on the same trip as when I visited Sinsheim. Another excellent museum and here's a link to a photo I took there of an Antonov 2.

JetPhotos.Net Photo » RA41343 (CN: 1G 65-18) Aeroflot PZL-Mielec An-2 by Michael Blank (http://tinyurl.com/32evcln)

And "My theory at the time was that the Russians only had aerial photo's to work from."

That sounds entirely feasible to me.

PaperTiger
4th Aug 2010, 15:24
Don't forget Hermeskeil, much less 'commercial' and a better (IMO) collection - Comet, VC-10, Constellation and more.

There's also a railway museum nearby if that sort of thing lights your fire.

Proplinerman
5th Aug 2010, 18:55
Yes and I went to Hermeskeil too, on the same trip to Germany, back in April 2002. A very fine museum indeed and well worth a visit. Here's a link to one of its more unfashionable exhibits, a Noratlas-a very rare civil example. Not the most stellar of aircraft, but one I rather like, as a dedicated propliner fan.

JetPhotos.Net Photo » D-ACUT (CN: 065) Elbeflug Nord N-2501 Noratlas by Michael Blank (http://tinyurl.com/2v9zghd)