Hours needed to "melt" a frozen ATPL

[zedoscarro]

Hey guys!

Wonder if anyone could give me some insight about how to unfreeze the ATPL. I am asking this because I don't have my Air Law books with me, I know there's something there about this issue.

How many hours do we need? 1500?
Of these how many should be PIC? 250?
Co-pilot hours count as half? That meaning we have to have 3000 hours TT?

Cheers and thanx!

[sharpclassic]

JAA ATPL, 1500hrs total

[Spendid Cruiser]

Download JAR-FCL1 from www.jaa.nl

[STBYRUD]

Yes, thats JAR-FCL... What about EU-FCL ? When will that come anyway ?


Here is the part from JAR-FCL 1

The holder of an ATPL(A) issued in
accordance with ICAO Annex 1 who meets the
1 500 hours flying experience requirements on
multi-pilot aeroplanes as PIC or co-pilot of
Appendix 1 to JAR-FCL 1.015 may be exempted
from the requirements to undergo approved
training prior to undertaking the theoretical
knowledge examinations and the skill test, if that
licence contains a valid multi-pilot type rating for
the aeroplane to be used for the ATPL(A) skill
test.
[Amdt. 1, 01.06.00; Amdt.

Here is the juicy bit, more complicated than above:

(a) An applicant for an ATPL(A) shall have
completed as a pilot of aeroplanes at least 1500
hours of flight time (see also JAR-FCL
1.050(a)(3)). Of the 1500 hours flight time, up to
100 hours of flight time may have been
completed in FS and FNPT of which a maximum
of 25 hours may have been completed in FNPT,
including at least:
(1) 500 hours in multi-pilot operations
on aeroplanes type certificated in accordance
with the JAR[/EASA-CS]/FAR–25 Transport
category or the JAR[EASA-CS]/FAR–23
Commuter category, or BCAR or AIR 2051;
(2) [ ][(i) 500 hours as pilot-incommand
under supervision; or
(ii) 250 hours either as pilot-incommand;
or
(iii) 250 hours made up by at
least 70 hours as pilot-in-command and the
necessary additional flight time as pilot-incommand
under supervision;]
(3) 200 hours of cross-country flight
time of which at least 100 hours shall be as
pilot-in-command or as [ ][pilot in command]
under [ ]supervision [ ];
(4) 75 hours of instrument time of
which not more than 30 hours may be
instrument ground time; and
(5) 100 hours of night flight as pilotin-
command or as co-pilot.
(b) (1) Holders of a pilot licence or
equivalent document for other categories of
aircraft will be credited with flight time in such
other categories of aircraft as set out in JAR–
FCL 1.155 except flight time in helicopters
which will be credited up to 50% of all the flight
time requirements of sub-paragraph (a).

[zedoscarro]

@Spendid Cruiser
Thanks for the website, I googled "ICAO Annex 1" and stuff like that but was unable to get the official stuff

To everyone else:
What do they mean by "hours as pilot-incommand under supervision"? A co-pilot performing PF duties would be considered PIC under supervision?

[IRRenewal]

What do they mean by "hours as pilot-in command under supervision"? A co-pilot performing PF duties would be considered PIC under supervision?

Only if you actually made all decisions and your logbook is countersigned by the PIC.

[DFC]

and the method of supervision has been approved.

Just getting a PIC to sign the logbook is not enough if the approval is not in place.

[Mikehotel152]

Only if you actually made all decisions and your logbook is countersigned by the PIC

I don't know of any FO who does this after every flight for which they are PF. :confused:

As far as I know, it is usually acceptable to present a logbook together with a letter from your Airline confirming that you meet the requirements for 'melting' your frozen ATPL.

[Checkboard]

You're kidding, right? :hmm: There's a current thread running on the PICUS topic:

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/422145-co-pilot-picus-time.html

[Coffin Corner]

Mikehotel is right, you don't need your logbook countersigned at all. Just a letter from your company stating the hours flown with them are present and correct at the time of application.
Don't forget they'll (if it's the CAA) want to see all your claimed hours (all your logbooks)

CC