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frieghtdog
19th Jul 2010, 02:16
after 30 resignations or so ,they decide to increase MMF to A320 f.o , but be careful , don't base your decision to leave based on that, MMF will not work and it has not been working for CAPT either .:=

jackbauer
19th Jul 2010, 11:50
WTF is MMF?

CanadaRocks
19th Jul 2010, 12:52
Jack, what is WTF? :mad:

inciter
19th Jul 2010, 13:19
Should have been Mixed Fleet Flying.

What The F@^#.

frieghtdog
19th Jul 2010, 13:50
its MFF (mixed fleet flying ) thanks for the correction.

VoxPopuli
19th Jul 2010, 20:05
It's it's.
Sorry couldn't resist.

Gulfstreamaviator
20th Jul 2010, 03:07
Could not resist either.

Can not resist asking: if resignations are not acceptable to the company is death a good reason to leave.?



glf

can not resist Ice Cream either.

BlueSkye
20th Jul 2010, 05:06
WTF is MMF?

A subcategory on Youporn.com. Or so I'm told.

Other than contractual issues or restraint of trade, how do you refuse a resignation?

ironbutt57
20th Jul 2010, 06:03
How do you spell frEIght??

global707
20th Jul 2010, 06:43
Reason MFF not working is due to lack of numbers in the MFF pool. Guys do the course (from 320 to 330) and thn have to come back and fly due to lack of drivers on 320. If more pilots were in the pool (from 330) then the system achieves a greater level of multi fleet flying

safelife
20th Jul 2010, 07:08
Forcing 330 pilots into MFF would make those leave as the 320 guys do and would be like opening another can of worms I reckon.

iflysky
20th Jul 2010, 07:33
They already are. 4 330 CA per month will be CCQ/MFFed to the 320. So now you have two pissed off groups 330 guys going down and 320 never comming up. Its not even the type that matters the most, but the increadible disparity between the quality of life and pay between the two fleets, 320 being the utlimate slave mill with no end in sight.

megatop15k
20th Jul 2010, 15:11
Guys, lets cut the b.... t !!! things are as simple as this: 330 guys don't want to go on the 320 and don't want the 320 guys on the 330. Very understandable since that will make their life miserable and to bad for the 330 guys since they will have no options other than leave this company for a better option. On top of that, this company will keep hiring DEC and that will keep the FO upgrade options to zero; another b....t from management since ey have plenty of experienced FO ready to upgrade on the 320. Ad per the new bidding ??? that is only to keep the guys who still have expectations on this company, on STBY MODE. :zzz::ouch:

Sir Osis of the river
20th Jul 2010, 15:51
Upgrade #'s increased for Oct, Nov, Dec from twelve to eighteen :ok:

stillalbatross
20th Jul 2010, 21:38
So what's the current time to upgrade if I joined as an F/O on the 777?

astronaute
20th Jul 2010, 21:46
5 to 8 !:E

megatop15k
21st Jul 2010, 05:59
maybe less if this company finally understands that all the upgrades shall be done in the 320 fleet. :ok: Of course that only happens in a normal AIRLINE :ugh:

Nightfire
21st Jul 2010, 07:15
that all the upgrades shall be done in the 320 fleet.

No way!!! I'll be :mad: if I were sent back to the 320 now, after nine years!

With what right would you decide to push somebody else onto a different aircraft type, just so that you may have his place?

You wanna fly widebody, find your own way, but not on my back! :=

NineInchSnail
21st Jul 2010, 07:34
Nightfire, nobody wants to push you back on the 320. If you want to hang out on the right seat of the 777 and upgrade on it whenever your seniority allows it then you should be entitled to do it. But somebody senior to you on the seniority list , whatever his current fleet is, should be able to upgrade Capt on the 777 BEFORE you. That's the way it works in every civilized major in the world where the seniority system is strictly enforced. Then if you want an earlier upgrade, you gotta go on the 320. It sucks but you have to pay your dues like everybody else if you want to be a Capt fast.

The problem at EY, is that the seniority list is a pile of Junk. People junior to me go straight to the 330 and make more money and have a better quality of life than me. Why is that? is EY that cheap just to hire direct entry pilots on every fleet to save money on training? I guess that's what it is.....

Jumbo Wambo
21st Jul 2010, 12:10
How come airbus cmd slots are open for all EY FOs to bid, however 777 cmd slots are only being offered to 777 FOs?

411A
21st Jul 2010, 15:07
...however 777 cmd slots are only being offered to 777 FOs?

To reduce training costs, I expect.
A simple solution to a vexing problem.

In addition, having the first airplane on which a command is offered...being a junior fleet...is nothing new.
TWA did this many years ago.
No matter how senior you were, the first command had to be on the 727...no exceptions.
After two years, a bid to a more senior airplane was allowed

goeasy
21st Jul 2010, 15:36
exactly.... since Etihad came up with this hare-brained idea that all upgardes will be on 330, the whole system crashed to bits. Idiocy.

If a new upgrade captain can't be trusted with a cadet, then he shouldn't be in the left hand seat, in any airline. Either you are up to the job, with ANY FO, or you are not.

And anyone who wants a command in Etihad, had better get used to the idea of flying the 320, or just enjoy life in RHS forever.

The way the resignations are going, I dont think anyone in EY is immune from finding a 320 course on their next roster........ :ugh: You watch!

Perhaps RH should be next?

p.s. 411A .... EY commands arent on 320, but 330, for 500hrs, then CCQ back.

Sir Osis of the river
21st Jul 2010, 21:55
Goeasy,

I dont think the issue is about whether a new upgrade can handle a cadet. (For the record, by the time they are signed out on line, they are no longer cadets.)

I think the issue is rather about experience levels. There have been some high profile accidents in the past, where pairing 2 inexperienced crew were cited as contributing factors. ( Potomac accident and GF 072 spring to mind) I would think that there are insurance issues here as well as rostering difficulties. (However, with a decent rostering system, this should be taken care of.)

I think the better option would be to upgrade on the A320 and put the Second officers on the A340 as in flight relief for a year or so to give them exposure to the operation, before they gotta worry about flying the Bus.

But what do I know anyway??

Sir O

Bredrin
22nd Jul 2010, 23:34
It will hapen again, just like inexperienced Capts and FOs illegally flying together or A330/340 pilots having to advise crew control that their assigned flight is illegal as they do NOT fly A320.....OOOPS!

auh_to_auh
23rd Jul 2010, 07:17
Hi guys,

When were B777 commands announced.

Unless there were big numbers announced I'm guessing all slots would go to the guys who have been waiting on the B777 for years.

Has something changed cross fleet commands have occurred in the past no reason not to continue.

AUH