Subject: Fw: Unbelievable Article - Well Written !!! We should take Heed while we still can




To those of you that have an email address in Denmark or other European country, I urge you to forward to those places.




It has been around before but probably one of the most important pieces to
read over and over again.


> THE CANADIAN CONTENT APPEARS AT THE END OF THE ARTICLE AND IS
> MEANINGFUL TO SAY THE LEAST.FOR NEW ZEALAND AS WELL.
> This pilot 'hit the nail' right on the head in his open letter.
>
> The paper stated that some Muslim doctor is saying we are profiling
> him because he has been checked three times while getting on an
> airplane
>
> The following is a letter from a pilot. This well spoken man, who is a
> pilot with American Airlines, says what is in his heart,
> beautifully....
> Read, absorb and pass this on.
>
> 'YOU WORRY ME!' By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John Maniscalco
> I've been trying to say this since 911, but you worry me.
> I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the streets of this
> country that I love, that your color and culture still blended with
> the beautiful human landscape we enjoy in this country. But you don't
> blend in anymore. I notice you, and it worries me.
>
> I notice you because I can't help it anymore. People from your
> homelands, professing to be Muslims, have been attacking and killing
> my fellow citizens and our friends for more than 20 years now. I don't
> fully understand their grievances and hate, but I know that nothing
> can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.
>
> On September 11, ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked four jetliners in my country.
> They cut the throats of women in front of children and brutally
> stabbed to death others. They took control of those planes and crashed
> them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers, loving sons,
> wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best friends, favorite coaches,
> fearless public servants, and children's mothers.
> The Palestinians celebrated, the Iraqis were overjoyed as was most of
> the Arab world. So, I notice you now. I don't want to be worried. I
> don't want to be consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that
> has destroyed the soul of these terrorists But I need your help. As a
> rational American, trying to protect my country and family in an
> irrational and unsafe world, I must know how to tell the difference
> between you, and the Arab/Muslim terrorist.
>
> How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the
> Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our
> schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the
> protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that
> will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?
>
> The events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my
> responsibility to determine which of you embraces our great country,
> with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its different citizens, with
> all of its faults. It is time for every Arab/Muslim in this country to
> determine it for me.
> I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a right to know, whether
> or not you love America. Do you pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you
> proudly display it in front of your house, or on your car? Do you pray
> in your many daily prayers that Allah will bless this nation, that He
> will protect and prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it
> in one of your Jihad's? Are you thankful for the freedom that only
> this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for by the blood of
> hundreds of thousands of patriots who gave their lives for this
> country? Are you willing to preserve this freedom by also paying the
> ultimate sacrifice? Do you love America ? If this is your commitment,
> then I need YOU to start letting ME know about it.
>
> Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be flooding the media at
> this time with hard facts on your faith, and what hard actions you are
> taking as a community and as a religion to protect the United States
> of America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for the death
> of the innocent because I worry about who you regard as innocent.
> No more benign overtures of condemnation for the unprovoked attacks
> because I worry about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested
> in any more sympathy. I am only interested in action. What will you do
> for America - our great country - at this time of crisis, at this time
> of war?
>
> I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN flag in the streets. I
> want to hear you chanting 'Allah Bless America ' I want to see young
> Arab/Muslim men enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment
> of money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering and to
> this nation as a whole.
>
> The FBI has a list of over 400 people they want to talk to regarding
> the WTC attack. Many of these people live and socialize right now in
> Muslim communities. You know them.
> You know where they are. Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen
> little even approaching this sort of action.
> Instead I have seen an already closed and secretive community close
> even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You have posted
> armed security guards at your facilities. You have threatened
> lawsuits. You have screamed for protection from reprisals.
>
> The very few Arab/Muslim representatives that HAVE appeared in the
> media were defensive and equivocating.
> They seemed more concerned with making sure that the United States
> proves who was responsible before taking action. They seemed more
> concerned with protecting their fellow Muslims from violence directed
> towards them in the United States and abroad than they did with
> supporting our country and denouncing 'leaders' like Khadafi, Hussein,
> Farrakhan, and Arafat.
>
> If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance and peace and love
> for all people, then I want chapter and verse from the Koran and
> statements from popular Muslim leaders to back it up. What good is it
> if the teachings in the Koran are good, and pure, and true, when your
> 'leaders' are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and
> intolerance? It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if huge
> numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the teachings of Mohammed
> incorrectly and adhere to a degenerative form of the religion. A form
> that has been demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose
> structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death, and suicide.
> A form whose members are recruited from the prisons around the world.
> A form whose members (some as young as five years old) are seen day
> after day, week in and week out, year after year, marching in the
> streets around the world, burning effigies of our presidents, burning
> the American flag, shooting weapons into the air.
> A form whose members convert from a peaceful religion, only to take up
> arms against the great United States of America, the country of their
> birth. A form whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members
> refuse to show their faces at airport security checkpoints, in the
> name of Islam.
>
> We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11, or any others for
> that matter, to take away that which is so precious to us: Our rights
> under the greatest constitution in the world. I want to know where
> every Arab Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my right
> and the right of every true citizen of this country to demand it. A
> right paid for by the blood of thousands of my brothers and sisters
> who died protecting the very constitution that is protecting you and
> your family.
> I am pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my brother,
> my neighbor, my friend, as a fellow American.
> But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding your
> allegiance, and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU stand. Until
> then.
> 'YOU WORRY ME!'
>
> CANADIAN COMMENTS:
>
> I totally agree with this sentiment. I hope you will forget all about
> the 'political correctness' mandate we've had rammed down our throats,
> and see if this doesn't ring true in your heart and mind. For Canada,
> with all the multiculturism we've been told is so important....why
> should we not, as Canadians, expect that the millions of new people
> immigrating to our country will show their love for our country, their
> allegiance to our country, their willingness to obey the laws of our
> country, and acceptance that we are a Christian country? Just because
> they are able to enjoy exercising their own religion, they should not
> expect us to be ashamed of ours. They knew Canada was a Christian
> country when they came here. Why are we erasing Christianity because
> immigrants who are unwilling to adopt our way of life expect us to?
> There is just too much insanity in the world, and we have to start
> taking a stand.
>
> I hope you will forward, so others will feel they are not alone if
> they are starting to feel the same.
>
> THIS IS TOO GOOD TO JUST READ AND DELETE.... LET'S SATURATE NEW
> ZEALAND, AUSTRALIA, THE USA , CANADA , AND EVERY OTHER COUNTRY WHERE
> MUSLEMS COME FOR REFUGE AND SANCTUARY FROM THEIR OWN KIND, WITH THIS
> ONE!

Lots of people worry me and I don't feel the need to wrap up my fear in an e-mail and export it with any one of a number of preconceptions and prejudices...

I implicitly distrust anyone or any group that uses phrases like "their own kind"...

NF

There does seem to be a certain amount of anti-Islam agitation going on right now but why just now?

I just got a rather odd e-mail c/w piccies of a mass wedding in Gaza, 500 men in their 20s with 500 girls around ten years old! Creepy! Down the page was that demo in London, the one with the signs all lettered the same reading "To Hell with Freedom!" and "Your 9/11 is Coming!" and suchlike. Am I supposed to be receptive to this stuff or is everyone getting it?

You might as well dig up stuff about the Klan or the Aryan Brotherhood from the States and start circulating that too, just for balanced imbalance.

He seems to demand proof of loyalty. How does one assess whether that demonstration of loyalty is genuine?. I seem to remember a US army Major carrying out a mass shooting in Fort Hood. Did he not pledge allegiance on at least one occassion?

I did 30 years of active duty and reserve in USAF and not once was I ever compelled, or even asked to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States of America, and to the Republic, for which it stands, one Nation, under God, indivisable, with Liberty and Justice for all."

As a young schoolboy in the 50s, in the Detroit Public School district, I and every other student stood and recited the Pledge in unison at the beginning of every school day. That ended, I think, around 3rd grade, when I would have been 8 years old.

The Ft. Hood murderer, Major Hasan, would, like me, have taken an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution upon his original enlistment and again upon receiving his commission as an officer.

Such oaths, plainly, are meaningless to adherents of a particular segment of Islam, such as Major Hasan.

NamibFox,

You say "
I implicitly distrust anyone or any group that uses phrases like "their own kind"...

Why do you say that? Is that not an accurate statement? why are all these people leaving their own countries, and moving to countries that have a religion that many thousands of them, probably more like many millions, have vowed to eliminate.

Are they all economic migrants?? we have some here who certainly have considerable fortunes as evidenced by the property they manage to accumulate in a very short time.

Why then are they leaving their own countries? could it not be that it is for refuge and sanctuary from their own kind??

We have not, yet, been subjected to the indiscrimate suicide bombings that hit the world headlines daily, but it would be the method of choice for many of this religion to make a point. I would rather they made their point in their own communities that have spawned this type of behaviour.

"I seem to remember a US army Major carrying out a nass shooting in Fort Hood. Did he not pledge allegiance on at least one occassion? "

How does one ensure that this obscene criminal behaviour does not occur within ones own territory?? The answer appears to be perfectly obvious to me, but one must not state such obviously politically incorrect views where it might hurt some peoples feelings. But not as much as getting blown up, as an innocent bystander going about legitimate business would hurt.

Ben......thats what I was meaning...sorry for the use of an incorrect term.

They're all as bad as each other, people are scared of what they are unfamiliar with.

They're all as bad as each other, people are scared of what they are unfamiliar with.Let's see...I know the five pillars of Islam. I work and travel extensively in Muslim countries. I have good Muslim colleagues and friends. I understand a bit of Muslim history and philosophy. I've been as far into a mosque as a kafir is allowed.

Yet, when I'm in Europe and see neighborhoods full of long-bearded, 20-something males in full Muslim dress, walking a few paces ahead of fully-covered females, I fear for Europe.

Why do you say that? Is that not an accurate statement? why are all these people leaving their own countries, and moving to countries that have a religion that many thousands of them, probably more like many millions, have vowed to eliminate.Prospector, people leave their countries for many reasons and Muslims, being people, do the same. We live in a mobile and dynamic world.

It is far too easy to crudely categorise millions of people because of the lunacy of a few. If we are so uncertain of our own values then our enemies, whoever they are, have beaten us by terrifying us into to denying our own decent principals and beliefs.

I would no more disseminate a shoddy and crude piece of anti Muslim propaganda than I would an anti Semitic tract or (as Chuks noted) send out Aryan brotherhood leaflets...

I would bin that mail, not because I am naive to the many dangers we face today but because somehow I feel stronger than my enemies from wherever they come.

" It is far too easy to crudely categorise millions of people because of the lunacy of a few. If we are so uncertain of our own values then our enemies, whoever they are, have beaten us by terrifying us into to denying our own decent principals and beliefs"

Why then is it that the US, UK, and NATO forces being killed and maimed, in a number of Muslim countries?? Why should it fall to these countries to contain these "lunatic few"?



" Prospector, people leave their countries for many reasons and Muslims, being people, do the same."

My point is that if Muslims, for whatever reason, wish to leave their own countries, why do they not emigrate to other Muslim countries, why is it that they are emigrating in their millions to basically Christian countries.
America, Canada, England, Denmark France, Sweden, Germany and others in Europe. Why??
And of these people of whom you speak that leave their countries for many reasons, why is there not the same flow in the opposite direction? I mean which Muslim country has trouble with keeping up with the flow of immigrants on their borders?.

And of these people of whom you speak that leave their countries for many reasons, why is there not the same flow in the opposite direction? I mean which Muslim country has trouble with keeping up with the flow of immigrants on their borders?.I can only guess that many people would not not enjoy the loss of certain freedoms when living in many Muslim countries (I know I would not live in many such countries).

With regard to containing the lunatic few I am apt to ask the same question as you and then guess that the answer is we do it out of our own self interest. Whether we are going about it in the right way is a moot point!

NF

" the answer is we do it out of our own self interest. Whether we are going about it in the right way is a moot point!"

I would have to agree with that up to a point, but, probably for different reasons. How many other Major Hassans has the Western World imported, trained and armed and sitting in our midst.

Prospector, no doubt there are others like Hassan. Here in the UK many of the radicalised Muslims connected with viable or actual terror plots were home grown. Many were radicalised by their perception of the West's attitude to their religion and culture.

Of course there are enemies within who are not Muslims either.

I tend to think that picking on one group is likely to lead to further alienation. Clearly if people live in Rome they should do as the Romans do but Rome should not change its culture to make it easier or harder for people to relate to its society.

"Many were radicalised by their perception of the West's attitude to their religion and culture"

Maybe so, but what is the West's attitude to their religion and culture that so upsets them?? I mean it is not the Western culture that is blowing up Sunni's because they are Sunni, it is not the West who are blowing up Shia because they are Shia, and no matter that a number of children who have no say in what their religion is are being killed and maimed. And many of these atrocities are carried out in the close vicinity of Mosques, which are supposed to be the visible manifestation of the same God.

From Matari

"Yet, when I'm in Europe and see neighborhoods full of long-bearded, 20-something males in full Muslim dress, walking a few paces ahead of fully-covered females, I fear for Europe."

That fear is shared by many, It stretches the imagination that many liberals, with the" Live and let Live" philosophy are allowing this nearly peaceful takeover in their own backyard happen, whilst their Armed Forces are in bitter conflict in the countries where many of these people originate.

Maybe so, but what is the West's attitude to their religion and culture that so upsets them?? I mean it is not the Western culture that is blowing up Sunni's because they are Sunni, it is not the West who are blowing up Shia because they are Shia, and no matter that a number of children who have no say in what their religion is are being killed and maimed. And many of these atrocities are carried out in the close vicinity of Mosques, which are supposed to be the visible manifestation of the same God.I would suggest that Western historic meddling in the make up of places like Iraq (for example) has had a profoundly negative effective on the Sunni/Shia antagonism that goes back to schsims in the Muslim religion. The rest of course is based generally upon human intolerance.

It isn't like Christianity has much to be proud of here either (choose your own examples of intolerance and schism at will).

So what you really appear to be saying is that you would rather not have Muslims in whatever country you live in?

Well I suppose you have the democratic right to join the local equivalent of the British National Front to try and make that dream come true. Who will be next in your dystopia, the Jews, the Catholics, anybody who does not quite share your worldview?

"Well I suppose you have democratic right to join the local equivalent of the British National Front to try and make that dream come true. Who will be next in your dystopia, the Jews, the Catholics, anybody who does not quite share your worldview?"

Nothing to do with "dystopia????". We have not yet had anybody so full of their own idea of what utopia should be that they have tried to convince the rest of us by blowing themselves, and anybody unfortunate enough to be within range, in this country yet. Personally myself, along with all Jew's the Catholics and anybody else, and anyone who wishes to live here in the future, bound by the rules of the society that they wish to join, we wish to keep it that way.

First off that piece is the usual sectarian bile you can see in various forms. The clever thing is that it's dressed up to appear almost reasonable, like all good propaganda. I would bet money there is no Captain John Maniscalco of American Airlines.

You can actually go through it paragraph by paragraph debunking most of it quite easily. But it won't do any good. It's sentiments simply reflect many people's ignorant view of Muslims.

My only other comments are to point out that by far the majority of the victims of Islamic fundamentalism have been Muslims and in reality they are the real targets of fanaticism.

It is also absolutely asinine to suggest that immigrants who are Muslim are moving to western countries to convert or conquer us. That is paranoia. If history teaches us anything it's that exposure to European culture is a moderating influence. Not the reverse.

In fact this is the very thing the fanatics fear: Moderate Muslims just getting on with their lives.

The tract above should be binned and ignored for the nonsense it is.

From the ever reliable, reasonable, logical and amusing Snopes.

snopes.com: You Worry Me (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/soapbox/worryme.asp)

I should have just posted this commentary in the first place.

I have twice received a similar sort of email, which tried to lay the blame for the Etihad A340-600 'wall climber' accident at Toulouse on its 'Ignorant Muslim Arab' crew. It didn't take many minutes of research to find the accident report and discover that the email was just a pile of prejudiced rubbish attached to some genuine pictures.

Anyone who forwards on such emails without checking the facts behind them is just a puppet for the original perpetrator.

I've worked with a number of Muslims, some Arab, some not, and have found them to be amongst the warmest and most genuine people I have met. To tar them all with the extremist brush is as fair as labelling every Irishman either an IRA or UDA supporter.

Unbelievable Article

Yes it is


Well Written


No it is not.

It is a bigotted, egocentric, rambling, piece of nonsense.

It should just fade away.

Wings folded - a voice of reason..:D

wings folded,

"It is a bigotted, egocentric, rambling, piece of nonsense."


In your eyes perhaps, to many thousands of others it has the ring of truth. Do you deny that 9/11 happened? do you deny that the "shoe bomber' is not of the same religious persuasion, was Major Hassan committing that murderous act because he disliked the people he murdered? or was it to satisfy some religious urge?

You will note that the letter was penned to answer a query why the Moslem Dr was complaining of racial profiling. Is it any wonder?

He is certainly not blaming all Muslims for the action of a few, all he is asking is that these actions, in the name of this religion be stopped. It is certainly conceivable that the more these abhorrent atrocities are carried out in the name of the Muslim religion the more they will be eyed with suspicion.

And in that mode who was it that tried to blow up the bomb in Times square?? and for what reason? a person that had been given American Citizenship and all the advantages that go with that citizenship, and how does he thank his benefactors?? and people should not get upset that all these atrocities, and attempted atrocities that are carried out by people who only appear to have one thing in common??

I would have thought that the requirement for everybody, including the flight deck crew,:* to go through this stupidity of body searches, inspecting shoes etc before boarding their own aeroplane, brought about by the actions of a few religious zealots would be cause for far greater complaint. The fact that it has not is very likely due to the politically correct majority screaming racist, which these days appears to be a worse crime then rapist.

Is there any need to go into the atrocities carried out in the name of this religion in other parts of the world, and the ones that have been foiled by the local security forces??
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" How do I differentiate between the true Arab/Muslim Americans and the
> Arab/Muslim terrorists in our communities who are attending our
> schools, enjoying our parks, and living in OUR communities under the
> protection of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that
> will slaughter these same good neighbors and children?

That is the essence of the letter, and how would you answer his question???

Gentleman Jim

Many years ago during the height of the "troubles" I returned from working in Nigeria and I met a friend of my father's who I had not seen in a long time. He asked the usual what was I doing and when I told I had just returned from Nigeria he asked what's it like.
I said it's just like NI with one difference, we have only two tribes. He thought it funny anyway.

Gentleman Jim,

I see nothing in my post to indicate I have been "Wound Up"

But neither do I see, from anyone yet, an answer to a very direct question.

" That is the essence of the letter, and how would you answer his question??? "

Prospector,

The answer to your question is quite simple and quite logical, you cant differentiate, which is the saddest part of the whole thing :(

"The answer to your question is quite simple and quite logical, you cant differentiate, which is the saddest part of the whole thing"

Exactly, so how does that make that letter " a bigotted, egocentric, rambling, piece of nonsense." It is a genuine concern raised by the actions of a certain group within another group. Just think how much more pleasant air travel would be these days if this group had not caused all this security scare.

"There is very little that can be done on a day to day practical basis ...is there?"

And that very little cannot be achieved without complaints of some sort of profiling being expressed.

And that very little cannot be achieved without complaints of some sort of profiling being expressed.As a certain German propagandist once opined...

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

That mail seems to have followed this technique fairly successfully.

As SNOPES noted of the mail...

The fear and unease generated by the knowledge that
the perpetrators were people who had been living among us
undetected for months; people who, although they may have
been foreigners, were not out of place amidst the cultural
diversity of America. How, then, do we now distinguish
friend from foe? Wouldn't it be so much easier if, as
advocated in this essay, we could simply assume a
ARAB-MUSLIMS to be guilty and demand them to demonstrate
otherwise?

But such an approach is not only inimical to many of
the principles American stands for, it is also logically
flawed. What terrorists bent on the destruction of the U.S.
would hesitate to camouflage themselves by hypocritically
waving American flags or professing a false love for America?
We cannot judge people by outward appearances alone, and that
realization leaves us feeling scared and powerless.

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly "


And if that fundemental principle is to ridicule all statement of fact as some sort of profiling, when the facts are so obvious, who else uses this method of terrorism to try to advance their cause??? everybody goes through this security hassle, even for example Buddist monks, catholic priests, little old ladies, and for the ultimate stupidity, even the flight deck crews. Why??? when was the last time any of these people tried to blow an aircraft up?? or anything else.

So where is the propaganda technique coming from??? Who is using it???

And if that fundemental principle is to ridicule all statement of fact as some sort of profilingWhat statement of fact?

As for profiling, which of these people would you stop and gratuitously force to swear allegiance to your hyper state...?

Him...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/images/2005/05/12/brian_blessed_150_150x180.jpg

or him...

http://footflyer.com/Articles/Political/2007-06-23-Rushdie-Balance/Salman_Rushdie_by_Kyle_Kassidy.jpg

or him?

http://www.abyssinia-et.com/Pictures/5Thesiger.jpg

Shall I continue?

10 points for each image recognised by the way and remember that points mean prizes (with apologies to the late Mr Lyttelton or was it Forsyth?)....

And remember that for every time you peek at the image properties another soul will not make it to paradise so beware... pass this on.

Given that converts to religions are often the most fundamentalist and fanatic, and they are also the ones from outside of the usual ethnic group, it would be very easy for any of these to be a terrorist without matching any of the ethnic 'terrorist' stereotypes.

So, just because you are white caucasian with a Texan, Geordie or Scottish accent, for example; you are, with good reason, just as likely to get as thoroughly searched as someone called Mohammed.

One more thing, just because Al Qaieda is terrorist group of the moment, doesn't mean another group with completely different objectives and origins isn't planning some airborne atrocity.

One more thing, just because Al Qaieda is terrorist group of the moment, doesn't mean another group with completely different objectives and origins isn't planning some airborne atrocity.

True enough.

Most terrorists have a political motivation,a defined outcome, a agreement to their demands that would cause them to hang up their guns, these religious feckwits dont as far as I can see, except to compel us all to whine to the same imaginary friend,and that will never happen.
:uhoh:

I had hoped the topic would fade away.
It hasn't. Pity


Given that converts to religions are often the most fundamentalist and fanatic, and they are also the ones from outside of the usual ethnic group, it would be very easy for any of these to be a terrorist without matching any of the ethnic 'terrorist' stereotypes.

So, just because you are white caucasian with a Texan, Geordie or Scottish accent, for example; you are, with good reason, just as likely to get as thoroughly searched as someone called Mohammed.



So what of the

do you deny that the "shoe bomber' is not of the same religious persuasion


Was he "Arab/Muslim" which you and the author of the rant you quote appear to think are synonimous? Or is the quote above a little bit pertinent?

But that covers all Irishmen, they must be one or the other It was a joke Corsair I promiseGrrrr... Gentleman Jim, you are fatwa'd or whatever the Irish equivalent is: Cogadh naofa!

But the point is well made, today I was shopping, albeit reluctantly but I did need new clothes. An upmarket shopping centre in Dublin. Notable were a number of Muslims both burka wearing and other traditional and obvious indications of Islamic affiliation. None appeared to have an explosive vest and all appeared to be enjoying their day. I wasn't scared of them unlike the bould Captain Maniscalco. But then I suffer from the illusion that they have no intent to inflict their religion and culture on us Irish.

You could go to any number of shopping malls all over the western world and see the same thing. People going about their business who happen to be Muslims. Imagine that?

I can relate to the whole security issue. During the 'troubles' as they were euphemistically called. I was contantly 'randomly' checked at British airports when I went through. Random my eye! It didn't bother me and I understood the need. As a light aircraft pilot I had lots of 'friendly' chats with Special Branch.

There were plenty of British people who advocated bombing Dublin and expelling all Irish in ignorance of the reality of the situation. So I can see how stupid tracts like that are whether they be directed at Muslims or Hari Krishna. So Prospector stop trying to defend it. It's nonsense.

Try and separate terrorists and people who happen to share the religion or nationality of the terrorists. It's easy really.:ugh:

What does a terrorist look like? for that matter, what does a serial killer or a pyschopath look like? You cannot define them but race, religion, look or creed.

Best summed up by Wednesday Addams when questioned on why she wasnt in costume for a fancy dress party: "I'm a homicidal maniac, they look just like everyone else."

Nuff Said

Prospector you're afraid of Muslims because in the past some Muslims killed people?

How many Christians do you think commit murder yearly?

Are you scared of Christians as well?

Pathetic nonsense.