News from Mother Russia

[moscovite]

You probably hear about joint venture we make with the Chines, see her:
Russia, China to design, build heavy-lift helicopter | Defense | RIA Novosti (http://rianovosti.com/russia/20100713/159799118.html) in fact Mil Factory we talk for almost 5 years this project! End product will be similar to Mi-26 but with new flight deck and some structure redesign - more details we release after project launch later this year.

http://en.rian.ru/images/15979/92/159799221.jpg

We have about another 10 major aviation projects being launched this year including ongoing coperation with your Eurocopter.

Nostrovia!

[Hell Man]

Glad to see that you guys are keeping everything big, big, big!

[Graviman]

Moscovite, this sounds like am incredible project to be involved in. Were you involved in the current Mil 26 design? Was there a redesign at some point to fit fly-by-wire?

[XV666]

hmmmmmm muscovite

Location:Moscow, Russia
Occupation: Design Engineer Mil Factory

or How to handle TR failure in flight (Mi 24) helicopter (http://www.pprune.org/5557794-post8.html)

As test pilot on Mi24 and training captain in both Mi24 and Mi26 I can tell you that we practice t/r failure procedure on both types.


As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.

[Thomas coupling]

No good over here in the UK. The country isn't big enough to take a Mil26 landing;)

Welcome . Brilliant to see you on this forum Moscovite - let's hear lots more from you?

[moscovite]

Am not interesting to make debate with hmmm heli from penzanse but I am sorry that in UK you don't have deisgn engineers who are also qualified to fly. Very sad! My flight training was over two years (part time) and which Mil consider investment to help technical division understand all aspects of helicopter operation. I am not only engineer with pilot qualifications.

Graviman, I was not involved in the original design of the Mi26 but in the upgrade for Mi17 and Mi24 to Mi35. For past two years I am working on Mi38 project.

In end of 2004 we begin major overhaul of Mi26 flight deck to reduce crew and integrate our BREO flight management system. This we call Mi26T and it is T model which will be used as basis for new project with china.

This Mi26T with BREO system fitted:

http://www.mi-helicopter.ru/rus/img/user/t43EF1E16.jpg

[rick1128]

Actually in the UK they do something I wish they would here in the states. Have the design engineers (not maintenance folks) work on the production line and in the service center BEFORE they are ever allowed to put a pencil to paper.

[9Aplus]

Like to witness that I personally know few people with similar
qualifications like claimed one from Mr. Moscovite

One of them was on maiden Mi26 flight :ok: and much
later on management position in UTair....

[moscovite]

Moscow, Nov 17

Russian Helicopters is preparing to launch a joint venture in China that will become the group's maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) centre for aircraft operating in the country.

A statement by Russian Helicopters on 15 November said the Sino-Russian Helicopter Service Company Ltd, which was formally set up earlier this year but has yet to commence operations, will be based in Qingdao on the east coast of China and will provide support and maintenance services to a wide range of Russian rotorcraft.

While primarily focused on civilian platforms the JV is also expected to provide similar services to military helicopters in service with the Chinese armed forces.

The announcement came as Russian Helicopters announced on 15 November that its subsidiary Rostvertol has delivered an Mi-26TC to China to carry out fire-fighting duties, thus fulfilling a contract placed in March 2010. It is the third MI-26TC purchased by China.

On the subject of the JV, Russian Helicopters said it represents an "important step in the change of strategy from selling just the helicopter itself to selling the entire lifecycle of a helicopter, including after-sale service and modern training means".


This new technical facilty will become largest for all Russian-made helicopters in China and is just one of some very largest new project we have coming in next 7-8 months!

[piggybank]

Heli, I have a picture of a Mil 26 tail rotor disintegrating and whoever took it snapped the photo just at the right moment, with the helicopter tipping back on itself at Moro airfield in PNG about 1994. Unfortunately its at home in Indonesia right now, but will make a note to scan it and put it on pprune.

[Yellow & Blue Baron]

MOSCOW, November 22 (RIA Novosti)

Two Russian politicians who survived a helicopter crash in the country’s remote Altai Republic are to face charges of illegal hunting, investigators said on Monday.
A Mi-17 Hip helicopter carrying government officials crashed near the Altai’s Chernaya mountain in January 2009, killing seven people, including the Russian president's envoy to the State Duma, Alexander Kosopkin.

Full story: Russian officials in helicopter crash to face illegal hunting charges | Russia | RIA Novosti (http://en.rian.ru/russia/20101122/161446384.html)

YBB

[Yellow & Blue Baron]

A Russian helicopter has crashed in Siberia, killing seven and leaving three injured.

04:30 Moscow, Friday 26 November 2010

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20101125/shamseddin20101125104650327.jpg

An Mi-8 helicopter has crashed while landing in the city of Tary in Russia's Siberian region of Omsk, said a statement from an investigative committee of prosecutors, AFP reported.

All seven passengers aboard the chopper were killed. The three crew members sustained injuries and were taken to hospital.

The cause of the accident is not immediately clear, said a statement from AFP, adding that Russian authorities have launched an investigation into the crash.

PressTV - Russian copter crash claims seven lives (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/152588.html)

[peterperfect]

Baron, does the photo in your post have any relevance to the Tary fatal accident apart from same type ?

[No-ID]

"A file photo shows the carcass of a Russian helicopter Mi-8"

Apparently not...

[Brilliant Stuff]

I have seen that photo before talking how that one crashed and wasn't recoverable because it's to high up a mountain which didn't make much sense to me.

[moscovite]

ULAN UDE TO BREAK 2009 PRODUCTION RECORD

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Moscow 29 Nov 2010

The Managing Director of Ulan-Ude aviation plant, Leonid White, has issued a statement this week that the plant will have produced a total of 85 Mi-171s by the end of 2010, an increase of 25% over the previous year.

The Mi-171 can transport a maximum of 37 passengers, although frequently a mixed passenger/cargo configuration is used. Currently, countries from Central and South-East Asia, Middle East, Africa, Europe, Latin America the CIS and China operate more than 600 Mi-171 helicopters in various versions and variants.

More Mi variants (Mi-8/17) have been produced than the total civil helicopter population of the United States.

[ascj]

What the latest on the fully aerobatic four seater they were going to put into pruduction.

[moscovite]

Please for patient as we still work for this. For 2010 extremly busy year for Mil. I tell before we have so many big project and I tell last month of teknical facilities in China and still more news for you next year (big) for Mil.

We are still worink on Mi34 and it will be the Russian colibri but better and you will enjoy.

0hKVROWpix4

[9Aplus]

On Mi 34 C1 subject


It was Mi-34C (not Mi-34C1) which was manufactured in 2000-2002. Since that time we worked with owners of Mi-34C and customers of other light helicopters.

The feedback allowed us to design a new helicopter - Mi-34C1. So now it is with electro-starter, new rotor hub, space luggage place, new interiors (designed by AeroTaxi company experienced in works in Russia and abroad for even countries' leaders) and many other improvements.

I fly both R-44 and Mi-34C and can insure that Mi-34C1 will be a new helicopter on the market. And in CIS Mi-34C1 will be sufficiently cheaper than R-44, the closer competitor.

Since we launch a new helicopter it is reasonable to analyze order backlog after the official presentation with demonstration flights. It will take place at MAKS (Moscow, Aug 2011). Serial manufacturing starts in 2012. We are organizing an impressive event at MAKS and the quantity of orders will be announced officially there. Now I can only say that surprising to me personally we have orders not only from Russia and CIS but from Europe also. And 2012 is fully booked.
As for distributors, we will use "Russian Helicopters" already established worldwide network and add private companies working with piston helicopters. We'd like our partners to distribute/maintenance and do all aftermarket works at one company.
The task is to cover the world with distributor/maintenance centers not less convenient than Robinson do for it's customers.
I will be glad to answer additional questions.
In December I'll try to provide some technical details and some parts of commercial offer to be more precise.
Turbine version is called Mi-34C2. It will be the next step in our market expansion. Frankly, we have several scenarios of further activity and will come back to consideration on obtaining feedback from launching Mi-34C1. :ok:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/3/4/3/1770343.jpg
What are the main parameters for you while you chose the 4-seater helicopter to buy?

Please, share your minds and ask questions about Mi-34C1.
Mi-34C1 is to be used for pilot schools, corporate and private transportation, all types of monitoring and sport.....

[GoodGrief]

That guy knows his aerodynamics:ok:

[heli1]

Surely the problem with the Mi-34 is that it is an old design,originally built for helicopter aerobatic competitions with little regard to economics or commercial use.That is why it has failed to sell in the last 20 years.
Mil would do better to start with a clean sheet of paper !

[9Aplus]

Pls take look on R44 blades and head and this one and let me know
what is better price performance ratio please ;)

[moscovite]

Mil would do better to start with a clean sheet of paper !


We are working on this but eurocopters are selling colibri in asia market so the 34 is not high importance just now as we have many large project going on which is taking all staff.

[moscovite]

Please be knowing that 4 time for Russia International helicopter exhibition is commencing from 19 - 21 mAy 2011 which is announce in moscov today 4th.

If you want to meet peoples in industry all involve in russian helicopters then you come.

For helirussia - 4rd International Helicopter Industry Exhibition (http://www.helirussia.ru/en/index.html)

[moscovite]

Gazprom and Shell to develop energy projects together

A new "special relationship" between Royal Dutch Shell and Russian state gas giant Gazprom will see the two companies develop more energy projects together.


Four years after Russia forced Shell to cede control of its $22bn (£14bn) Siberian field, Sakhalin-2, to Gazprom, it appears that cordial relations have been re-established.


As part of the deal Shell has agreed to let Gazprom share some of its projects abroad if it is allowed to help develop the third and fourth stages of the Sakhalin project.


Deals could even take the form of asset swaps, as Gazprom seeks to increase its presence on the international stage

.


Gazprom and Shell to develop energy projects together - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/8171333/Gazprom-and-Shell-to-develop-energy-projects-together.html)

Yes we know that more work is go for sakhalin1 for both shells and exxon, everyone is knowing this.

THIS IS AVIASHELF HELICOPTER Mi8 MTV for Exxons

http://lh3.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TPuPrWa6b2I/AAAAAAAAAfM/t4HhM9EbRTI/Mi8MTV1%20Nogliki%20Russia%20%7Bby%20Oleg%20Drul%7D.jpg

AVIASHELF is fly many oil companes , this from Sakhalinsk is using shell;

http://lh6.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TPuRWUxlG6I/AAAAAAAAAfo/IX65QqXktMM/Mi8MTV1%20Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk%20Russia%20%7Bby%20Oleg%20Chaplin%7D.jpg

Nor only for AVIASHELF but Kazir West also, they have rtraining from shells,

In Moscow, the Shell Safety Management Systems training course was conducted by Cliff Edwards, Quality & Safety Development Manager of Shell Aircraft Limited, London. Aviashelf, RusAir, Kazair West and Clintondale Aviation were represented by Victor Aksyutin (Aviashelf General Director), John Dunlop (Aviashelf Supervisor), Yuri Shanin (RusAir General Director), Alexander Trushin (Flight Safety Advisor), Serik Zhumagaliev (KazAir West Chief Operations Officer), Victor Synitsin (Clintondale Aviation Technical Director) and Blair Dyer (Clintondale Aviation Director of Operations). Yuri Tchoufyrin, Aviation Manager of Shell Exploration & Producing Services, Russia, also attended.

The purpose of the course was to present a systematic approach to aviation safety including the way to analyse areas of greatest aviation risks in our operations and the determination of actions to prevent, minimize or mitigate such risks. Because Shell believes that this system improves flight safety and reduces risk, compliance with its principles is a pre-requisite for future contractors that provide ongoing aviation services.


The companys fly for europe/america oil company have all good stnadard for safety and for flight schedules.

Now become more busy for Sakhalinsk - if you want work then come to HeliRussia show coming may which I talk before.

[moscovite]

India signs contract for 80 MI-17's with Russia

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India and Russia have today signed a contract for supply of 80 MI-17V-5 medium lift helicopters for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Valued at USD 1.6bn deal had been clinched just before Russian President Dmitriy Medvedev's state visit to INdia during a meeting of the High Level Monitoring Committee headed by Defence Secretary Vijay Singh and Russian Federal Service for Military Technical Cooperation Director Mikhail Dmitriev here on Tuesday.

The Cabinet Committee on Security too had given its go-ahead to acquisition of the helicopters at its meeting on Wednesday.

The helicopter contract was signed by Defence Ministry's Director General (Acquisitions) Sashi Kant Sharma and Rosoboronexport Director General A P Isaykin after the officials talks between Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Medvedev.

India signs contracts for 80 MI-17 choppers with Russia | India Defence (http://www.india-defence.com/reports-4101)

[moscovite]

This reports somehow accurate= Helicopters News and Military Helicopters Data from Flightglobal (http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/12/16/350905/russia-to-start-mi-38-production-in-2013-after-pw127-engine-supply.html)

[moscovite]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/__dRpfF8qlVM/TTE9Z2265YI/AAAAAAAABVY/KoE8rZzw9g0/s800/Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk-Khomutovo%20Nov%2010.jpg

AVIASHELF Mi8 MTV fly both Shell & Exxon is here at Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk-Khomutovo some week before.

Dont forget to come to Moskva in May for 4rd International Helicopter Industry Exhibition (http://www.helirussia.ru/en/index.html)

http://www.heliopsforum.com/styles/heliops/xenforo/ads/heli_2011_250_150_en.gif

[moscovite]

BP, the British oil giant, last night staged a dramatic rapprochement with the Russian government, signing a broad new alliance with the country's state-owned oil company, Rosneft, to hunt for oil and gas in the Arctic.

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/dynamic/00535/IN19401611BP-Chief-_535441t.jpg (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/russian-state-oil-giant-takes-78bn-stake-in-bp-2185228.html?action=Popup)

BP's Bob Dudley and Rosneft's Eduard Khudainatov
shake hands, watched by Chris Huhne

Under the deal, BP will help exploit new oil and gas exploration licences awarded to Rosneft last year, which cover approximately 125,000 square kilometres in the shallow waters of the South Kara Sea, an area roughly equivalent in size and prospects to the UK North Sea.

Russian state oil giant takes $7.8bn stake in BP - Business News, Business - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/russian-state-oil-giant-takes-78bn-stake-in-bp-2185228.html)

The production (barrels per day) for South Kara is expect same or more than north seas for the UK.

Mi-8/17 plus maybe Mi-38 when ready will support when first rigs and ships are in place.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/Kara_Sea_map.png/658px-Kara_Sea_map.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/31/Kara_Sea_map.png)

This is area (NW of Siberia) where explorations commence.

[Hell Man]

If the reserves which BP and Rosneft are hoping for are found, this may become one of the largest extreme cold weather helo ops.

Wouldn't enjoy ditching in the Kara Sea though!

HM

[9Aplus]

Private helicopter/aircraft over Moscow!?

When I was there last time in Sep 2010., that was dream, how is today in 2011.!?

After this news dated on 21 November 2010.

Russian authorities have given pilots of small private aircraft permission to fly over
Moscow, the capital, without waiting days for flight clearance.
The move is seen as a long awaited boost to the country's aviation standards.
Many hope it will bring some relief to the city's notoriously congested roads, but there
are also safety concerns over Moscow's skies becoming more crowded.

[9Aplus]

What a shame... some people are not decent but some even go over the edge, just spotted my own pictures of Kazan Mi 17V5 taken during MAKS 2009.....on "competitor" advertisement ;-)

My own pictures used on conXXXer.com in attempt to sale of „virtual“ Mi helicopter…. To be more shameless, that gentleman is using 2 pic exactly the same one like within my own add already present there 2 months (on same site). The third one he picked up directly from our web site.

Be careful, I am really wondering... can he provide real helicopter? Obviously he is not able, to approach close enough :} to real one, just to take decent photos :-)))))
My photos are:
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/Mi171SAR4sm.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/Mi171SAR2sm.jpg

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/Mi171SAR3sm.jpg

http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/Mi171SAR1sm.jpg

[malabo]

Didn't know the 17 had a glass cockpit, and a nice one at that. Remote video cameras and graphic systems display (is that fuel?) are right up there with modern times. Using the flashy MFD to show '50's era analog instruments maybe not so much.

Gotta love the foot straps to keep your feet on the pedals for those negative "g" bunts.

[Ascend Charlie]

The first design change you need to make is to allow enough ventilation for the pilots so you don't need those rotten fans!!

However, in the hover or sitting on the ground, a cool fan would be a blessing in a lot of machines...:ok:

[9Aplus]

Accepted, thank you for understanding

Regards

DXXX

-----Original Message-----
From: TXXX
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 01:37 PM
To: dXXXX
Subject: re: Mil pictures

Sorry for that XXXXX,

we received a pool of the generic photos from editor and I choose the one that I liked. We certainly did not ment harm you.

I will ask them to replace these pictures.

My apology,

XXX


Positive development,
Add removed,
Respect :D

[9Aplus]

We have certain needs for crew members... on Mi subject.
More than 1000 h on type plus USA, EU or Ex YU states citizenship
are necessary :ok:

[9Aplus]

This kind of pilots we are NOT looking for :E

nkOGdoJvi-o

[Savoia]

BP's deal with Rosneft on the verge of collapse - Business News, Business - The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/bps-deal-with-rosneft-on-the-verge-of-collapse-2252432.html)

This is unwelcome news indeed. As mentioned earlier, the South Kara Sea exploration efforts were mooted as likely to become one of the largest (if not the largest) cold-weather offshore helicopter operations. BP's involvement was also set to guarantee the involvement of a number of international aviation personnel related to the management of the helo op.

Strategically for BP this represents a challenge in their global search for 'significant' oil reserves in which they maintain a significant stakeholding.

S.

[Savoia]

http://en.rian.ru/images/16339/86/163398635.jpg
Mi17 - The helicopter of choice for the US Government abroad

Russia and the United States have agreed on the conditions of a $367-million deal for the supply of Russian helicopters to Afghanistan and will sign the document soon, the Kommersant daily reported today citing military officials.

The United States and Russia have been in talks for over a year on the deal to provide the much-needed vehicles for the NATO mission in Afghanistan.

"The Americans have informed me that the contract will be signed very soon," said General Abdul Wahab Wardak, Chief of Staff of the Air Force in Afghanistan. "We expect to receive 21 Mi-17 helicopters by the end of the year."

He said the cost of one helicopter had been agreed at $17.5 million.


More: U.S., Russia reach final stages of Afghan helicopter deal - paper | World | RIA Novosti (http://en.rian.ru/world/20110406/163398512.html)

[Ian Corrigible]

NSRWA: "So, how much does your Mi-17 cost?"

Rosoboronexport: "Сколько это стоит? 8 миллионов. Nyet, wait. How much is it for one of your чернота Hawks?"

NSRWA: "A UH-60? Oh, about $18 million."

Rosoboronexport: "Ah. In that case, the Mi-17 she is $17.5 million..."

:E

I/C

[ARRAKIS]

The question is, like always, what is included in the package?

Arrakis

[Savoia]

The question is, like always, what is included in the package?


At 17.5 a pop, I would say quite a few feathers (for various nests that is!).

IC got it right! :ok:

Sav

[9Aplus]

Usually that "package" unit price was 15M $ :ok:

[zlocko2002]

it would be interesting to see BUR download from helicopters flown by Afghan pilots :8 and to see what happens with warranty :E

[Savoia]

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Moscovite wrote on 2nd November 2010: I can tell you exactly where in world there is waring going to happen according to orders for helicopters. I have told you next year they will begin to fight in the sudan south .. http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/431868-canadian-mi-17s-2.html



8th April 2011:

Sudan Army Employs Gunships in Southern Sudan

KHARTOUM — Satellite images indicate a major deployment of military hardware by the Sudanese army, including helicopter gunships and tanks, near the flashpoint Abyei border region of Southern Sudan, a monitoring group said on Thursday.

The Satellite Sentinel Project said that, according to the newly acquired images, the introduction of two attack helicopters and at least nine battle tanks within the range of Abyei constituted a major escalation in the military capacity of the northern army (SAF) in the disputed area.

AFP: Sudan army deploys gunships, tanks near Abyei: monitors (http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h9Gw3OnoYWUBEOKYWw2xn-X_NGmg?docId=CNG.a76b4ba0203a6de8b8e726f1b9895209.a11)

Interesting.

Sav

[Savoia]

.
NATO/Russia Joint Helicopter Maintenance Fund

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/files/mi17.jpg

NATO and Russia have agreed to establish a Helicopter Maintenance Trust Fund for Afghan troops, with Germany as the lead country, officials said after the two-day NATO foreign minister meeting Friday.

NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said in a closing press conference that the foreign ministers from Russia and NATO declared the fund in the meeting of NATO-Russia Council held during NATO's Berlin talks.

"This is good news for the NATO-Russia Council - we are tackling together the challenge of stabilizing Afghanistan," he said. "But most importantly, this is good news for Afghanistan. Its forces will benefit from this valuable equipment to improve the security of Afghan citizens."

In the opening remarks of the meeting, Rasmussen told ministers that the fund project will "provide training, spare parts and tool kits for three squadrons of Afghan helicopters," which was a tangible achievement for the NATO-Russia cooperation and can help bring peace and stability to the war-torn Afghanistan.

Some diplomatic sources told German Press Agency dpa that Russia is to contribute 3.5 million dollars for the new fund, and Germany will inject 3 million dollars. Turkey, Luxembourg and Denmark also promised small amounts. Rasmussen did not mention detailed contribution of nations in the press conference.

Before the meeting, it was reported that the trust fund is for the supply and maintenance of Russian helicopters in Afghanistan, and Russia would receive 367.5 million U.S. dollars from the helicopter supply contract.
However, officials did not highlight the supply issue after Friday's meeting, and the fund seemed to be confined to works of maintenance and repair.

Rasmussen said that NATO and Russia also discussed a joint missile defense system project, supported by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in last year's NATO Lisbon summit.

"We have a very constructive dialogue (on this)," the NATO chief said. "It is an obviously a challenging job. It is quite a new thing to develop such a common missile defense architecture."

"Yet we have not agreed on how to build that architecture, but it is about a common objective, namely an effective protection of Russia as well as in NATO countries," he added.

Russia kept asking for a legal guarantee from NATO that the missile system will not be directed against Russia's strategic targets, while the alliance did not nod its head. NATO hopes to build two separate missile systems -- a NATO system and a Russian one with close coordination and cooperation between the two sides, while Russia prefers a whole package.

Russia and NATO agreed that the talks on a missile system should be taken forward energetically and the defense ministers of NATO and Russia will hold another meeting in June, officials said.

NATO, Russia Declares Helicopter Fund for Afghanistan (http://english.cri.cn/6966/2011/04/15/2724s632366.htm)

[zlocko2002]

they can spend all the money in the world, but without proper selection and training, and getting rid of 60% of current ANAF personnel, there will be no improvement there

[Savoia]

Russian Helicopters to Float

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/files/2011/04/russian-helicopters-pic2.jpg
Vladimir Putin has agreed to the floatation of Russian helicopters


Russian Helicopters, Russia’s dominant helicopter maker, has set the price range for its $500m equity offering as the state-owned company moves closer to welcoming outside investors – and securing some badly-needed cash.

As it edges towards next month’s planned London-Moscow IPO, the group will be learning the lessons from the seven Russian companies that have attempted a London listing this year. Only three succeeded. Russian Helicopters will keep a careful eye on pricing as it tried to become the fourth.

The company is on a mission to modernise its equipment, facilities and products as part of an ambitious Rb20 trillion (about $700bn) state armament programme designed to thrust Russia’s outdated military sector into the 21st century.

According to the company, the share of modern equipment at its plants stands at just 10 per cent, and analysts say Russian Helicopters has a way to go before both its equipment and capacity are back to Soviet-era standards: the group produces under 200 helicopters a year, versus up to 950 per year in the late 1970s.

New capital – and input from a new group of outside investors – could be the state’s first step towards modernising the company and helping it flex its muscles against western competitors including Eurocopter, Sikorsky, Bell and AgustaWestland.

But it still remains to be seen who exactly will be investing in the group’s IPO, given the mixed track record of Russian IPOs in London this year.
The three to secure London listings were Nomos Bank, pork and sugar producer Rusagro, and pipe maker HMS, all of three of which were noted for their discounted valuations in comparison with their listed peers.

Russian Helicopters may be following their example. The company is targeting a total valuation of $1.8bn – $2.4bn, which implies that, if priced at mid-range, the shares would be relatively cheap at just 4.6 times earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortisation.

But many emerging market funds could be restricted from buying aerospace or defence stocks and unable to take part in the offering, while investors from the traditional defence space could be turned off by some characteristics specific to the Russian industry.

Moreover, Like many other defence contractors, Russian Helicopters is dependent on one big customer – in this case the Russian state. The state armament programme is the fourth of its kind, yet none of the three preceding programmes jave met their targets, and analysts lament that the industry has a history of missing deadlines.

For Russian Helicopters to bring its volume of production back to Soviet-era levels, it will need a significant boost in capital expenditure both from the state and foreign investors – followed by a steady stream of orders.

The question is whether the investors will be ready to bet that such contracts will be forthcoming. Even at 4.6 times earnings.


Russian Helicopters: flying low | beyondbrics | News and views on emerging markets from the Financial Times (http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/04/26/russian-helicopters-flying-low/)

[Savoia]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2Bn2t4ez6Yo/Tej4Elw8X4I/AAAAAAAADWA/5s3uxznEZEY/HeliRussia2011-09-640x427.jpg
Latest prototype of the Mi38

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Kamov Ka226T

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Russian Hatchback!

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Ka226 Stretcher Arrangement

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_EuKYcaIKNU/Tej32cUT8UI/AAAAAAAADVM/mBg0auOCIQE/Cavalon%252520Autogyro.jpg
Cavalon Autogyro

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-i7vBY7IJLkU/Tej3tz0RsTI/AAAAAAAADVI/HiZyd9rs0ps/Berkut%252520Helicopter.jpg
Berkut Contra-rotating light helicopter

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Kamov Ka32-A 11VS

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ECVPYiNXISE/Tej5ediecqI/AAAAAAAADVs/B1v3m6ac4kI/VK2500%252520engine%252520for%252520KA52.jpg
Powerplant for the Kamov 52

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L0wL1AyUnzc/Tej5UxrTBUI/AAAAAAAADVo/hyoT6LwIE6w/s720/i-awrh.jpg
Flight deck of the AW139 (I-AWRH)

All photos courtesy of Vitaly Kuzmin except for the AW139 (above) by Alina Rodkina

[Peter PanPan]

Great shots! Thank you for sharing Savoia :D

[Savoia]

.

Mi-28 Night Hunters for Algeria

Russian helicopter producer Rosvertol is in talks with Algeria to sell its Mi-28NE attack helicopters.

The company, a wing of the state-owned Russian Helicopyers holding company, has sent a commercial proposal to sell the helicopters to Algeria.

“A commercial proposal has already been sent (to Algiers) and discussions will begin this year,” Rosvertol General Director Boris Slyusar was quoted as saying by Ria Novosti.

“We hope to sign a contract for delivery in 2012-2017,” the official added.

If the deal goes through, then this will be the second export deal for the all-weather night-capable Mi-28NE which is presently being introduced in the Russian Air Force, the news report said.

Venezuela ordered 10 Mi-28's in 2010.

The Mi-28NE ‘Night Hunter’ is the latest variant of Mi-28 attack helicopter family. It has been designed to carry out hunter-killer missions against enemy main battle tanks, helicopters, ground forces and armoured equipment.

The helicopter is armed with a 30mm 2A42 gun with 250 ready-to-fire rounds mounted under the nose, 23mm gun pods, up to 16 9M114, 9M120 and 9M120F anti-tank missiles, infrared-guided Igla air-to-air missiles, 80mm and 122mm unguided rockets.

The two-seat chopper has advanced night vision optical systems and it also features mast-mounted millimeter-wave fire control radar and state-of-the-art avionics.
Algeria to buy Mi-28's (http://www.brahmand.com/news/Russian-firm-in-talks-with-Algeria-to-sell-attack-helicopter/7241/3/13.html)

Comment: A common perception is that Africa's helicopter forces are in the main ineffectual, a cosmopolitan assortment of Cold War veteran airframes supported by semi-skilled ground and air crews and which, to an extent, is true. However, there has been rapidly growing interest in the Mi28 with numerous sub-Saharan governments seeking to negotiate purchases and .. crucially .. to buy training programmes that will ensure their effective and ongoing operation. Should these aspirations come to life for any number the relatively impoverished sub-Saharan nations, one could witness their possession, for the first time, of a formidable domestic fireforce in that the capability of the Mi28 exceeds anything they possess at present (Mi24) and represents an important advance in terms of commitment and defence strategy. Interesting times ahead!

A wee reminder of the nimbleness (and effectiveness) of the Mi28:

EZ5RNe6AKns

[Shawn Coyle]

My front seat ride in the original Mi-28 many years ago convinced me that it was a pretty formidable airframe - very gusty day, and very aggressive and rapid pedal turns into and out of wind showed not a murmur of protest from the machine or engines. Impressive performance, and it needed better weapons / sights, which have now been fitted. Love to have another chance to fly it!

[9Aplus]

Old news....
That's why
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/MAKS2011/smIMG_0298.jpg
and
http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/6711/smimg0441.jpg

[Dave_Jackson]

Oops. :uhoh:

Posting removed.

[Savoia]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ec7Y0gkVVV4/TtiEvD8VzLI/AAAAAAAAGng/oDWBeDSLgi0/s720/Mi%25252028N%252520Russia%252520Nov%25252011%252520%252528Ma x%252520Bryansky%252529.jpg
(Photo: Max Bryansky)

'50 Yellow' .. as the Russians like to name their craft. This is the 'all new' Mi28N (Night Hunter) seen here sporting the Russian Air Force's new grey paint scheme. The image was taken 'somewhere' (the photographer was asked not to disclose the location) in Russia within the past week.

50 Yellow is carrying two 20-round B-8 folding-fin unguided rockets, one SACLOS 9M120 Ataka-V radio-guided anti-tank missile (AT-9 Spiral 2) and is fitted with a 30mm Shipunov 2A42 autocannon. She is also fitted with infra-red vision, laser sights as well as all the anti-missile and defensive measures paraphernalia.

(When this craft landed from its sortie it parked nexted a Kamov Ka-50 wearing the identifier 'Red 28'!).

A couple of military consultants I know have 'pooh-poohed' the Mi28 but I'm not being so quick to 'rubbish' what I believe is gradually becoming an increasingly sophisticed aircraft.

As an aside, did you know that, despite its heafty price tag (by comparison with the Mi-8/17) African and Latin American governments have expressed an extraordinary level of enthusiasm for this craft!

Here is the 'regular' Mi28 in action:

EZ5RNe6AKns

Enjoy!

[rh200]

I'll have the two Cavalon Autogyro's please and the Kamov Ka32A-11VS. :E

[22clipper]

The Berkut Contra-rotating light helicopter looks cute but Google comes up empty. Looks more affordable than an X2, anybody get any info on this beast?

[9Aplus]

Sure:
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/MAKS2011/smIMG_0340.jpg
http://i730.photobucket.com/albums/ww304/d9aplus/MAKS2011/smIMG_0341.jpg
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:ok:

[chopper2004]

I second rh200 : ) I'd have the cavalon autogyro and the EMERCOM KA-32 thankyou with accessories :ok::mad:

Regarding the MI-28 Interesting enough about 10 years ago, there was this retired CWO who was an army grad of the MAWTS-1, a Vietnam vet and before his retirement managed to convert on the AH-64. had a website on helicopter air to air combat and photos from him in AH-1S fighting AH-64 over the desert ranges and Kamov-50 AND Mil-28. I was thinking eh? I know the US Army OPTEC/OTSA had a few Mil-24 and Mi-8 and a Kamov -32 operating out of JRTC and Biggs AAF but the latest Soviet hardware.

I emailed him to ask him how did the Havoc and Werewolf end up stateside and he said it all ahppened in the early 90s whereby in the aftermath of the break up of the Soviet Union and strapped for cash, they went everywhere trying to flog their latest hardware and even tried to demo the pair as evaluation models to the DoD!

[Shawn Coyle]

Clever to use 'Yellow 50' and 'Red 28'. Otherwise - confusion.

[Savoia]

A reminder for May:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-NQtTToRWiRM/T2QhUvlhRkI/AAAAAAAAIXQ/qga32ujdNiI/s462/HR%2520Logo%2520a.png (http://www.helirussia.ru/en/index.html)

Russian News:

Ka52 Aligator Down (http://www.unian.net/eng/news/491331-two-die-in-ka-52-helicopter-crash-in-russia.html)

US Senators tell RasPutin "Keep arming Syria and we'll chop $1bn Mi17 order" (http://en.ria.ru/mlitary_news/20120313/172126368.html)

Private Flying only recently legalised in Russia (http://indrus.in/articles/2012/03/14/russians_take_to_the_skies_15066.html)

Georgia protests deployment of Russian helicopter regiment (http://en.trend.az/regions/scaucasus/georgia/1999188.html)

Blades Over Russia:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-bdXIXVK8rKM/T2Qc4q7SVLI/AAAAAAAAIXA/cghIje1HQ0k/s720/Mi35%2520and%2520Mi24%2520over%2520Russia%2520March%25202012 %2520%2528Alex%2520Beltyukov%2529.jpg
Mi35 and Mi24 over Russia in March 2012. Image taken from Mi24 (Photo: Alex Beltyukov)

[9Aplus]

:cool: Coffee there, Sav?

[Savoia]

Si, assolutamente 9A+ :ok: .. and maybe with a little something to accompany the coffee.

Regarding the photo above, should read 'taken from Mi35' (the fixed undercarriage on the photo-ship is a bit of a give away).

[9Aplus]

:ok: suppose water :E

Now my turn....

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[sycamore]

When did the Russians start using `mushroom` type intakes on their helos,and are they electrically heated ,or hot-air heated..?

[md 600 driver]

Dont forget this one too we have a british team competing and a few HCGB members are flying over in their helicopters

i myself is looking forward to it will be a nice trip
and the chance to fly in russia too

steve












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http://14whc2012.org/img/Logo-FAI.JPGThe Federation Aeronautique Internationale

The Federation Aeronautique Internationale, FAI — The World Air Sports Federation, was founded in 1905.
It is a non-governmental and non-profit making international organisation with the basic aim of furthering aeronautical and astronautical activities worldwide, ratifying world and continental records and coordinating the organization of international competitions.
After a century of steady growth, FAI is now an organisation of some 100 member countries, forming a strong network linking all those who participate in air sports worldwide.
What FAI does.
FAI activities include the establishment of rules for the control and certification of world aeronautical and astronautical records. FAI establishes regulations for air sporting events which are organised by member countries throughout the world. FAI also promotes skill, proficiency and safety in aeronautics. FAI confers medals, diplomas and other awards to those who have contributed to the achievement of these aims as well as for work done in the restoration of old aircraft.
In achieving these goals, FAI brings together people who take part in air sports from all over the world. They share the delight of gliding, the excitement of parachuting and ballooning, the fun of flying microlights and exercise their skill in aerobatics.
Within the framework of FAI, each air sport has an International Commission which is responsible formaking the rules for competitions and which generally oversees the activies of their particular air sport.
All FAI Contests, Championships and Record Setting activities are conducted under the direction of the FAI Air Sport Commissions.
Regulations, rules or recommendations which have been accepted by the Commissions during their annual meetings are followed up by the delegates themselves at the national level and with Member-countries which need help developing their air sports.
The Federation of Aeronautical Sports of Russia
The Federation of Aeronautical Sports of Russia (FAS of Russia) is an All-Russia public organisation which was founded in January 1992 at the constituent conference of Russian air sports community and is a cessionary of the FAS of the USSR. The FAS of Russia was registered with the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation on July 30, 1992, № 1136. According to the Russian Federation legislation the Federation was re-registered under the same number on January 23, 1998.
The main statutory objectives of the Federation are: assistance in giving boost for massive air sport development; reaching high levels of air sport achievement; youth involvement in air sports; career guidance; patriotic upbringing of youth; active representation of Russia on the FAI.
The FAS of Russia carries out activities in more than half of the Russian Federation Subjects where it has its structural subdivisions such as branches, departments, representations. The organisation comprises nine all-Russia Aeronautical Sport Federations:
- Aerobatics;
- Aeromodelling;
- Amateur aviators;
- Ballooning;
- Gliding;
- Microlight;
- Parachuting;
- Rotorcraft;
- Spacemodelling
along with several regional public organisations. The Federation has a membership of more than 2000.
The FAS of Russia has been a member of the Russian Olympic Committee since 1995 and an active member of the FAI since 2001. In accordance with the FAI Statutes, By-Laws and Sporting Code the FAS of Russia is responsible for controlling aeronautical sports activities across Russia in cooperation with the relevant state government bodies for aviation and cosmonautics.
The Federation Aeronautique Internationale
The Federation Aeronautique Internationale, FAI — The World Air Sports Federation, was founded in 1905.
It is a non-governmental and non-profit making international organisation with the basic aim of furthering aeronautical and astronautical activities worldwide, ratifying world and continental records and coordinating the organization of international competitions.
After a century of steady growth, FAI is now an organisation of some 100 member countries, forming a strong network linking all those who participate in air sports worldwide.
What FAI does.
FAI activities include the establishment of rules for the control and certification of world aeronautical and astronautical records. FAI establishes regulations for air sporting events which are organised by member countries throughout the world. FAI also promotes skill, proficiency and safety in aeronautics. FAI confers medals, diplomas and other awards to those who have contributed to the achievement of these aims as well as for work done in the restoration of old aircraft.
In achieving these goals, FAI brings together people who take part in air sports from all over the world. They share the delight of gliding, the excitement of parachuting and ballooning, the fun of flying microlights and exercise their skill in aerobatics.
Within the framework of FAI, each air sport has an International Commission which is responsible formaking the rules for competitions and which generally oversees the activies of their particular air sport.
All FAI Contests, Championships and Record Setting activities are conducted under the direction of the FAI Air Sport Commissions.
Regulations, rules or recommendations which have been accepted by the Commissions during their annual meetings are followed up by the delegates themselves at the national level and with Member-countries which need help developing their air sports.
The Federation of Aeronautical Sports of Russia

The Federation of Aeronautical Sports of Russia (FAS of Russia) is an All-Russia public organisation which was founded in January 1992 at the constituent conference of Russian air sports community and is a cessionary of the FAS of the USSR. The FAS of Russia was registered with the Ministry of Justice of the Russian Federation on July 30, 1992, № 1136. According to the Russian Federation legislation the Federation was re-registered under the same number on January 23, 1998.
The main statutory objectives of the Federation are: assistance in giving boost for massive air sport development; reaching high levels of air sport achievement; youth involvement in air sports; career guidance; patriotic upbringing of youth; active representation of Russia on the FAI.
The FAS of Russia carries out activities in more than half of the Russian Federation Subjects where it has its structural subdivisions such as branches, departments, representations. The organisation comprises nine all-Russia Aeronautical Sport Federations:
- Aerobatics;
- Aeromodelling;
- Amateur aviators;
- Ballooning;
- Gliding;
- Microlight;
- Parachuting;
- Rotorcraft;
- Spacemodelling
along with several regional public organisations. The Federation has a membership of more than 2000.
The FAS of Russia has been a member of the Russian Olympic Committee since 1995 and an active member of the FAI since 2001. In accordance with the FAI Statutes, By-Laws and Sporting Code the FAS of Russia is responsible for controlling aeronautical sports activities across Russia in cooperation with the relevant state government bodies for aviation and cosmonautics.
http://14whc2012.org/img/fvsrf.pngThe Federation of Helicopter Sport of Russia

The Federation of Helicopter Sport of Russia (FHS) is an all-Russia public organisation with departments in 56 regions of Russia. It has over 1 500 members among whom are pilots, judges, representatives of air companies, factories and design bureaus, veterans and all those who are fascinated by the beauty of rotorcraft flying.
The Federation is involved in organisation and holding of helicopter competitions in Russia and abroad, the main purposes of which are development and popularization of helicopter sport, assistance in developing new helicopter technologies, support of the state youth policy promoting sports activities, patriotic upbringing of youth and raise of interest in air sports in Russia.
Helicopter sport is one of the few sports that originated in Russia. In 2008 it celebrated its 50th anniversary. The first Helicopter Championship of the USSR was held in Kaluga in September 1958 and in 1959 the Federation of Helicopter Sport was set up.
44 USSR and 46 Russian Championships, more than 400 town, zonal, departmental and regional competitions have been held over more than 50 years. About 1 000 helicopter pilots have been awarded the title of Master of Sports.
Helicopter sport is one of the most medal-winning air sports cultivated in Russia. Internationally, Russian helicopter pilots have been the best for many years. Russian National Helicopter Team has won World Helicopter Championships 8 times. Russian pilots have been awarded the title of Overall World Champions 9 times. Over the last three decades Russian helicopter teams have won 24 gold, 19 silver and 13 bronze World Championship medals.
http://14whc2012.org/img/dosaaf-rf.pngDOSAAF of Russia

The all-Russia public-state organisation “The Voluntary Society for Cooperation with the Army, Aviation, and Fleet” (DOSAAF of Russia) is a worthy successor to the renowned OSOAVIAKHIM (The Union of Societies of Assistance to Defence and Aviation-Chemical Construction of the USSR), then DOSAAF of USSR, and later ROSTO (the Russian Defence Sports-Technical Organization). The main objectives of DOSAAF of Russia are assistance in strengthening the country’s defence and national security.
It aims to:
- provide patriotic upbringing of the population;
- help government authorities with the implementation of the national youth policy;
- support educational establishments in teaching population the basics of defence and essentials of military service;
- provide military specialty training to citizens joining the armed forces;
- prepare the population of the country for defence in case of an armed conflict, help former military men maintain the necessary armed skills;
- organize physical training of the population;
- promote air, technical and military application sports as well as technical creativity of the youth in cooperation with other state bodies on physical culture and sport;
- implement other educational activities;
- assist government bodies with defence mobilization preparation;
- execute airborne duty within the unified air search and rescue system.
http://14whc2012.org/img/moatsk.pngThe Moscow Region Air-Technical Club ROSTO

The autonomous non-profit organisation “The Moscow Region Air-Technical Club ROSTO” (ANPO MRATС ROSTO) was founded in 2000 and started its practical activities in March 2003.
The Aero Club operates 3 fixed wing aircraft
- YaK-52
- EV-9FR
- SPORT-STAR and 2 Mi-2 helicopters.
Since 2003 the Aero Club has logged over 8000 flying hours.
Beginning with 2003 the Aero Club has been actively engaged in the country’s sporting life. In September 2003 the aero club pilots won several medals in the Open Russian Regional Helicopter Championship. In 2004 the aero club sportsmen became winners of the World Stunt Championship and in 2006 they hosted the World Glider Aerobatic Championship.
Club members Galina Shpigovskaya and Ljubov Gubar came second among all-female crews at the World Helicopter Championship in Germany in 2008.
Over the last 8 years the Aero Club has participated in 3 Russian Helicopter Championships, 7 Russian Helicopter Cups and 2 Russian Aerobatics Championships. Three sportsmen were qualified as “Candidate to Master of Sports of Russia” and one as “Master of Sports of Russia”. In 2011 the Aero Club team won the bronze medal at the Russian Helicopter Championship.
The Aero Club has trained 29 fixed wing and helicopter private pilots.
The Moscow Region Air-Technical Club ROSTO has more than once performed flights for the Moscow Region Ministry for Emergency Situations.

[Shawn Coyle]

I can't recall ever seeing so many sensors on a helicopter. Way more than the Apache. Must be a pretty busy front office!

[Savoia]

9A+ Great shots! :ok:

Sycamore: Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than myself will come back to you with an informed response. In the meantime what I can say is that the venerable Mi24 has worn a similar arrangement for many years:

http://www.airforceworld.com/heli/gfx/mi24/mi24p_2.jpg
Mi24 with Sycamore's 'mushroom style' air intake covers

MD600: The best of luck to you and the British Team! I suppose there will be more coverage of this as the year progresses.

Shawn, from the previous page:


A common perception is that Africa's helicopter forces are in the main ineffectual, a cosmopolitan assortment of Cold War veteran airframes supported by semi-skilled ground and air crews and which, to an extent, is true.

However, there has been rapidly growing interest in the Mi28 with numerous sub-Saharan governments seeking to negotiate purchases and .. crucially .. to buy training programmes that will ensure their effective and ongoing operation. Should these aspirations come to life for any number the relatively impoverished sub-Saharan nations, one could witness their possession, for the first time, of a formidable domestic fireforce in that the capability of the Mi28 exceeds anything they possess at present (mainly the Mi24). Interesting times ahead!

[zlocko2002]

"Mushroom intake" is dust protector (PZU), as everything in Russian helicopters it has anti-icing. "mushroom" itself is electric heated, and rest of the engine with hot air.
To my knowledge, they start using it on Mi-17 and Mi-24.

[TisnTat]

Hi there,
just curious about different eastern designs, as i´m not in aviation:O!

Being fascinated by aviation from my youth on and never been able to get there i´m still in love with it. When i have a look at the russian Heli´s and fixed wings i feel an unusual kind of safety.Does it come only because of my age ( and my love to old aircrafts) or am i right, that these machines are more rugged and reliable? Probably not advisably to the cost of economy! :)

As aformer camera operator i had been at Aigen, Austria 2002, taping all the stuff and it was fantastic for me!!! Much better than taping the floods around Vienna before and get real wet up to your hips :confused:!

So my two little questions: Are there operators of the Ka 226T somewhere in the West? I know that the bigger brother Ka 32 is operated in Switzerland. I´m just fascinated with it´s utility. Would it be operational in our world? I mean the Ka 226T! :ok:

Next one is the Su-80! Could it be changed to western standards? Why only 8 functional aircrafts? I love the back ramp and i can´t see an alternative plane with the same usability for short haul and passengers.:ok:

This is just my amateur view, please excuse me :p

Yours, Rainer :rolleyes:

[9Aplus]

Welcome Rainer....

Ka226T still expecting Interstate certification, production
runs in small numbers for local needs in Russia. But design
is more than promising. I see no major reasons against EASA/FAA full non restricted certification.
Except cost issues :E at EASA, and perhaps political in FAA :}
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[9Aplus]

Concerning Su 80, development was never finished, there are some non resolved issues with structure behind. During flight
testing, tail structure is "live" and cables for controls are non intentionally "live" too -> non commanded moves of control surfaces.
Last time I talked to KnAAPO they where "crazy" about SSJ
delay. Therefore Su 80 is waiting better times, to be finished.
BTW my suggestion was to switch on another 2 possible (safe) ways
of controls, but Suhoi designers know "the job" better than me ;)
Living in hope too to see second generation of Su80 on MAKS 2013. :ok:

[TisnTat]

9a+, thanks a lot :ok:

In the meantime i have a whole collection of photos and all available videos of the KA 226 and the SU 80:p! Hopefully both will be seen in the future somewhere in the West. "Living structure" does not sound quite nice, let´s see if they can solve that.

Waiting for MAKS 2012 and 2013 :cool:!

I can imagine that they are quite busy to get the SSJ certified. Very costly enterprise!

Since a while i´m also following the development of the Evektor EV 55, but not much news there. And one of my favourites, the RI 30 Eaglet, seems to be a stealth fighter. At least if it comes to news about it :sad:!

RI 30 Eaglet Presentation Part I - YouTube

Thanks again, Rainer :ok:

[Savoia]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7229/7163062974_c4d69c6096_b.jpg
Mi28N '47 Yellow' at an undisclosed location in Russia on 27th April 2012 in the company of an Mi35 and Mi26 '03 Blue' (Photo: Alex Beltyukov)

[DennisK]

And while we are talking Russia ... any Enstrom 280 or 480, MD 500 series or Schweizer 300C owners out there who would join me participating in the 'freestyle' section of the WHC in August. I guess we're looking at 30 hours flying there & back and would offer to share costs equally. Would also need dedicated insurance for display and run-up display practice. Suggest initial chats by PM then meetings. Regards. Dennis Kenyon.

[md 600 driver]

hi
were flying a gazelle to the world helicopter championships in august is there any way of getting to look around the mil factory [or any helicopter factory near moscow

steve

[Chris P Bacon]

Most of the manufacturing plants are well outside Moscow. Kamov have a design facility near Moscow, but the aircraft are built at either Kumetau or Orenburg.
If you have the spare time, try the aircraft museum at Monino. It is much better than looking round the 1950's era facilities.

[Savoia]

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http://media.englishrussia.com/112012/helirussia/helirussia001-6.jpg
Ansat light multi-purpose helicopter from Kazakh Helicopter Plant

http://media.englishrussia.com/112012/helirussia/helirussia001-7.jpg
Upgraded Mi26 .. the Mi-26T

http://media.englishrussia.com/112012/helirussia/helirussia001-19.jpg
RUMAS-10F

http://media.englishrussia.com/112012/helirussia/helirussia001-27.jpg
Mobile ATC unit

http://media.englishrussia.com/112012/helirussia2/helirussia002-6.jpg
R44

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/photo/2012-05/18/131595155_51n.jpg
Kamov Ka-62

VIDEO (http://en.rian.ru/video/20120521/173579780.html)

[ARRAKIS]

Regarding Kamov and certificates, I was wondering one thing.
The one that did get an EASA certificate, is - in Russian - Ka-32A11BC = Ka-32A11VS. The certificate was issued
http://www.easa.europa.eu/certification/type-certificates/docs/rotorcraft/EASA-TCDS-R.133_%28IM%29_Kamov_Ka--32A11BC-02-08062011.pdf

for an English "Ka-32A11BC", which in fact does not exist? Or am I wrong?

Arrakis

[400hover]

I thing Portugal has some Ka-32A11BC for governamental purposes... like HEMS (?? WTF??)

[Shawn Coyle]

I believe that's the designation that the Canadian certified ones operate with.

[flingerwinger]

We have 3 KA32A11BC's here in Canada, used exclusively for long-line work such as logging, fire fighting, powerlines, ect. Heliswiss in switzerland operates the same model I believe.

[Savoia]

Russian Government Officials to Commute by Helicopter in 2013

President Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev are likely to swap their armored limousines for helicopters next year, as the city center will be equipped with several landing pads, head of the presidential affairs office Vladimir Kozhin said Thursday.

The pads might appear on the territory of the Kremlin and near the White House in the first quarter of next year as part of the effort to create a system of transportation routes above Moscow, he told Interfax. Kozhin said the plan had received approval from the authorities.

"The options for developing the air corridors are being investigated, and others will get a chance to move by helicopters in the future — not only the president and the prime minister," Kozhin said, without specifying who else would be able to use the system.

Federal law bans flights over Moscow, with the existing 13 landing pads in the city used only by the police, hospitals and the Emergency Situations Ministry.

Developing a system of air transportation corridors involves a set of actions which includes amending current legislation, said Viktor Khrekov, a spokesman for the Office for Presidential Affairs. The move is aimed at reducing the city's heavy traffic jams, he added.

Roads closed to facilitate movement of Putin's and Medvedev's motorcades between the city center and their residences on Rublyovo-Uspenskoye Shosse create headaches for city motorists.

Developing air corridors above Moscow will be beneficial for city residents, as it will facilitate the use of helicopters by emergency services, said Oleg Panteleyev, editor-in-chief of the Aviaport.ru industry portal.

He added that the move might also advance the commercial use of choppers, which can be used for air excursions above Moscow.

"Moscow should become a helicopter-friendly capital, like New York, London or Paris," Panteleyev said. "It's obvious that business is ready to provide such services: there are companies that have a good fleet and personnel."

Business will be ready to build land infrastructure, like landing pads on the Moscow river embankment, as soon as the necessary conditions for the flights are created, Panteleyev said, adding that building a helicopter pad isn't expensive.

Kozhin said putting the country's leaders into helicopters wouldn't require additional purchases of choppers, as the aviation fleet of the special air group Rossia, which carries the president and senior officials, is constantly updated.

The state-owned firm, which reports directly to presidential affairs office, recently received a few new Mi-choppers made by Russian Helicopters.

Kozhin said his office had also purchased two new choppers made by Italian manufacturer AgustaWestland, which will begin local production soon. Kozhin promised that building a helicopter-landing pad near the Kremlin wouldn't damage the country's historic landmarks.

"We chose the location with maximum caution. The pad won't affect any of the historical and cultural parts of the Kremlin," Kozhin said.

He didn't specify the possible location for the helicopter deck, saying only that it won't be built on Cathedral Square.

Russian Government Officials to Commute by Helicopter in 2013 | Business | The Moscow Times (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russian-government-officials-to-commute-by-helicopter-in-2013/473693.html)

[9Aplus]

Who ever made attempt to commute around Moscow by car, knows real meaning
of phrase "traffic jam" :E

[Carbon Bootprint]

Who ever made attempt to commute around Moscow by car, knows real meaning
of phrase "traffic jam"Quite true. I guess having the big shots take to the air means that even the ZiL lanes have become impassable. :ouch:

[Anthony Supplebottom]

Surely they won't be using the big old noisy thirsty Mil's for this job? Sleek new Agusta 109's perhaps?

[9Aplus]

AW139 from joint venture production line....

[Savoia]

AW139 from joint venture production line ..

This is a distinct possibility. HeliVert is the Russian organisation with assembly rights for the 139.

And earlier this year:

Russian Helicopters and AgustaWestland (a Finmeccanica company) are pleased to announce that they have signed a Heads of Agreement at the Farnborough International Airshow to jointly develop an all-new 2.5 tonne class single-engine helicopter. The agreement was signed by Bruno Spagnolini, CEO of AgustaWestland, and Russian Helicopters CEO Dmitry Petrov. The overall programme will be shared on a 50/50 basis, with the new helicopter being designed for the worldwide market and a wide range of applications.

Russian Helicopters & AgustaWestland Sign Agreement To Develop A New 2.5 Tonne Helicopter | AgustaWestland (http://www.agustawestland.com/news/russian-helicopters-agustawestland-sign-agreement-develop-new-25-tonne-helicopter)

Look-out for new Agustovich models!

[Savoia]

Russian Med Ship makes road landing:

B9DvjHmgFmc

[Ian Corrigible]

Surely they won't be using the big old noisy thirsty Mil's for this job? Sleek new Agusta 109's perhaps?
When this plan was originally floated back in 2005 the air taxi of choice was the Ka-226!

I/C

[helops]

How do you think, is that possible to work in Russia with a G reg or D reg aircraft for a private owner?

...and is it possible to work in Russia with a JAR CPL(H) ?

Thank you!!!

[Savoia]

Q: What do you do when you want to fly a really really long distance without landing to re-fuel?

A: Keep adding tanks to your external stores carrier. Simples! :E

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8378/8513944996_4a22a1feb2_b.jpg
Federal Customs Service Mi8 TV-1 RF-01071 at Syktyvkar Airport, Russia on 20th January 2013 (Photo: Vladimir Karlov)

[Brilliant Stuff]

That will add some serious drag.....Where are they planning on going? Mars?

Anyone able to confirm that Eurocpter once planned to do a trip in a AS350 from New York to Paris straight across the Atlantic refuelling on barges along the way but it failed after the first barge due to a fuel leak?

I would love to do that, even if it might be a tad boring....

3200nm = 32hrs = couple of days = easy:E:E

[Brilliant Stuff]

I see the MD 500 has the record for flying 15hrs on an extended tank. Nice.

NY Paris in one refuel...

[helops]

In the eastern part of Russia, Siberia, there are no many places where to refuel, so this system is quite useful. There are distances like 2000 km from one airport to another - see Magadan, Yakutsk, Kamciatka... Would love to work in that part of the world one day..

[Savoia]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NyzMkwcK_DE/UXayv57IcUI/AAAAAAAANGI/Rs-p711InMo/s889/AW139+60001+Chkalovsky+11+Apr+13+%28Maxim+Stankevich%29.jpg
AW139 no. 60001 at Chkalovsky Airport (30 kms northeast of Moscow) on 11th April 2013 (Photo: Maxim Stankevich)

The first Russian-assembled 139.

[Colibri49]

What are those 3 black Xs under the tail boom? Some sort of Russian super strength black version of Duck Tape to hold the spiral crack together?

[skadi]

What are those 3 black Xs under the tail boom? Some sort of Russian super strength black version of Duck Tape to hold the spiral crack together?

Duct Tape to secure a cable ( Magnetic pickup or somewhat like that ) to the T/R area.

skadi

[Savoia]

Mi8 Down: Eastern Siberia

MOSCOW | Monday May 6, 2013 2:06pm BST

(Reuters) - A helicopter with nine people aboard including Russian Emergency Ministry officials crashed in eastern Siberia today the ministry said, and Itar-Tass reported it was also carrying two tonnes of explosives used to blow up ice on frozen rivers.

Debris from the Mi-8 helicopter was spotted in Russia's Irkutsk province later in the day. Interfax reported that search and rescue teams had found human remains and that it was unclear whether there were any survivors.

Accidents involving Mi-8 aircraft are frequent in Russia, which has been criticised for its poor air safety record. The Soviet-designed helicopter is widely used for ferrying people and cargo to remote areas of the world's largest country.

Russian helicopter with nine aboard crashes in Siberia | Reuters (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/06/uk-russia-helicopter-idUKBRE9450EV20130506)

[helops]

Accidents involving Mi-8 aircraft are frequent in Russia, which has been criticised for its poor air safety record.

We should consider that there are more than 10,000 Mi8 flying in more than 90 countries all over the world.

I heard a similar story about R44. But it's important to take into consideration that there have been manufactured more than 10,000 R44 too.

[tottigol]

MORE than 10,000 R-44s?

[helops]

MORE than 10,000 R-44s?

Robinson Delivers 10,000th Helicopter | Flying Magazine (http://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/helicopters/robinson-delivers-10000th-helicopter)

[Captino]

Hey Skadi and Colibri, you guys havent done much maintenance flying ,have ya, Track and Balance is what they do ! :} Hence the Black Duct-tape X´s and yellow cable :cool:

cheers

Captino

[Colibri49]

Have any of you ever heard the expressions "Poking a little fun at......" or "Having a little dig at......" ?

I've done more maintenance test flying in my career than you've had hot breakfasts. (Now let's see what "hornets' nest" that comment stirs up.)

[Captino]

Mate no need to get p*ssed, I just making fun as well. I am sure u have all the experience in the world and I didn´t mean to be rude. But how many smilies do I need to put in a Text so you understand?!

So relax and next time you come to Germany we´ll have a beer :ok:

Cheers M8

Captino

PS: and please don´t get me wrong but... I dont eat hot Breakfasts that often!:p

[Saraphi]

Hi,
I would like to do some maintenance training on Russian helicopters. i have sent some e-mails out but never got any reply's.
Has anybody ever done some training and could pass on the company info to me.
Thanks Russ.

[skadi]

Hey Skadi and Colibri, you guys havent done much maintenance flying ,have ya, Track and Balance is what they do ! http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/badteeth.gif Hence the Black Duct-tape X´s and yellow cable http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/cool.gif

cheers

Captino

Thats what I said !

Duct Tape to secure a cable ( Magnetic pickup or somewhat like that ) to the T/R area.

skadi

[Savoia]

Vladimir Putin and David Cameron hold "high-level" talks in Russian Presidential helicopter

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wfKwFTZKNXg/UY_ldX3-LnI/AAAAAAAANfg/Dpa5ZvSAsDE/w615-h390-no/putin+helicopter.jpg
RasPutin dismounts the Russian Presidential helicopter

The pair flew over the Black Sea resort of Sochi, where Russia will host the 2014 Winter Olympics, for talks which focused on the crisis in Syria and tackling terrorism.

The PM said relations between the UK and Russia had improved since 2006 when Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko died after drinking poisoned tea in London.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-obulTp3H32g/UY_lc_jSMiI/AAAAAAAANfc/Ghb0ksTjCXU/w690-h388-no/putin-cameron-sochi-security.si.jpg
Cabin Attendant: "Mr Prime Minister, would you care for some coffee .. or something stronger perhaps?" RasPutin: Why are you showing this "British" so much courtesy?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-O7VMps1sLTg/UY_ld_kSeoI/AAAAAAAANfw/M9JUXk9Zt7o/w585-h391-no/putin-cameron.jpg
"Over there is where I am building a new house. It has 155 bedrooms"

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-YE0oWBo4l1U/UY_leAAMw6I/AAAAAAAANfs/acVf5Whln9M/w634-h413-no/ras+and+cam.jpg
RasPutin: "You don't believe me do you? But you will read about it in one of your esteemed British publications, perhaps the Daily Mirror." Cameron: "I never wanted a house with 155 rooms anyway. To be honest I'm not even sure if I really wanted to enter politics?"

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-CdWICCYU8rM/UY_ldL7n85I/AAAAAAAANfo/-ly9we6HWvg/w634-h419-no/article-2322451-19B7FDBC000005DC-331_634x419.jpg
Presidential Aide: "What the President says is true. The builders began nearly a month ago. Its an amazing project. Maybe next time you visit the President will invite you!"

Cameron flys with Putin (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-vladimir-putin-talk-1883968)

[tottigol]

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wfKwFTZKNXg/UY_ldX3-LnI/AAAAAAAANfg/Dpa5ZvSAsDE/w615-h390-no/putin+helicopter.jpg

Putin: "OK, this is the last time I fly in this pig."

[9Aplus]

Tot....
You ever boarded or made even PAX flight on VIP Mi8/17(1)?

[tottigol]

Nope, and I hope I never have to.

[Tailspin Tommy]

Flies like an S-61 but with a lot of grunt. Mi-26 is more fun.

[African Eagle]

Well said Tailspin.

There is a misconception among people who have never had anything to do with Russian helicopters that they are flying death traps. They are not.

If they are properly maintained and properly flown they are as safe as any western helicopter.

Here in Africa they are all over the place but they do plow into the ground quite a bit - but that's because they are not being operated as they should.

[Heli-News]

Russian Helicopters (http://www.russianhelicopters.aero/ru/) has announced a $380 million contract with the Russian Defence Ministry for the supply of 40 Mil-8 helicopters.

The contract was signed by Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov and Russian Helicopters CEO Dmitry Petrov. Helicopter deliveries are to begin next year, Petrov said.

The Mi-8 AMTSh is a combat transport version of the Mi-17 helicopter, with more powerful turboshafts and portside tail rotor. Its weapon systems include Igla-V AAM or Shturm-V ASM missiles, B8V20 rocket pods and a GSh-23 gun.

Russian defense ministry signs $380 mln helicopter deal | Europe | World Bulletin (http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=114493)

[Heli-News]

UTair Helicopter Provides Escort for Arctic Scientific Expedition

On June 28, 2013, a UTair Aviation Eurocopter BO 105 helicopter joined the Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute expedition organized by State Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute.

The UTair helicopter is outfitted with special equipment for conducting operations in the polar conditions and departed to participate in the project from the deck of the diesel-electric icebreaker Capitan Dranizyn. The UTair crew has as its objectives visual ice reconnaissance, surveillance flights for research and facing practical challenges of flight operations including take-off and landing on a moving ship. The highly experienced crew is specially trained in high latitude operations and deck flying.

Previously, in July 2011, a UTair BO 105 helicopter took part in escorting the icebreaker Capitan Dranizyn on its way to the Franz Josef Land archipelago – the nearest landmass to the North Pole in the Eastern hemisphere.

http://www.utair.ru/en/data/2012/02/09/1234592408/IMG_1231.jpg

UTair Helicopter Provides Escort for Arctic Scientific Expedition > Helicopter Association International (http://www.rotor.com/Publications/RotorNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/3297/UTair-Helicopter-Provides-Escort-for-Arctic-Scientific-Expedition.aspx)

[Savoia]

09 October 2013 | Issue 5231
The Moscow Times

As international banks conclude that UTair is massively undervalued, Russia's fourth largest aviation group plans to divide its helicopter and airplane operations into two separate companies, the group's CEO, Andrei Martirosov, announced Wednesday.

The division, set for completion by 2016, will allow the company to attract separate investors for the two branches of its operations, chief financial officer Igor Petrov said at the same event, Prime reported.

UTair's Nefteyugansk United Airline Transportation Company has already been renamed UTair Helicopter Services, while a passenger airline will soon be established, Martirosov said, speaking at a ceremony in Seattle.

Hugely Undervalued UTair to Split Helicopter and Airplane Divisions | Business | The Moscow Times (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/hugely-undervalued-utair-to-split-helicopter-and-airplane-divisions/487621.html)

[turboshaft]

Slick piece of advertising (http://www.rferl.org/content/syria-helicopter-missile-ukraine/25167190.html) from Ukraine's manufacturer of the TV3-117VM/VMA and VK-2500:

zCVN1cABeFk

[Savoia]

Mi-8 crashes with no injury to passengers

An Mi-8 helicopter belonging to Russian helicopter operator Eltsovka Helicopter Airline crashed yesterday (5th December) in the Tomsk Oblast region of Russia near Kargasok in the West Siberian Plain.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bpuptR3cX6Q/UqGa7G2CVTI/AAAAAAAAPt0/l5GW9oYlyVo/w958-h538-no/Mil+8+crash+%25282%2529.jpg

A total of 18 persons were aboard (15 passengers and 3 crew) all of whom escaped injury.

The helicopter is believed to have departed Karagsok on a commercial flight when it encountered a problem resulting in a forced landing. A second helicopter came to recover the passengers and took them to their originally intended destination.

Russian Ministry of Civil Defence (http://www.70.mchs.gov.ru/operationalpage/emergency/detail.php?ID=25190)

[Agaricus bisporus]

Looks like he caught the third wire!

[Peter-RB]

Good afty Savoia

Does the Mi8, similar to the one shown that came down, have 4 engines, for it looks like 4 blanked off air intakes are on the top part of that injured Mi8

Peter R-B
Lancashire

[Savoia]

Buonasera Pietro!

The Mi-8/17 are twin-engine helicopters (I suppose three if you include the APU! ;)).

You are correct, the crew have blanked-off the main engine air intakes "B" (above and to the rear of the cockpit roof), the APU air intake "A" (abaft and central to the aforementioned engine air intakes) and the engine exhaust ports "C" which, on the Mi-8/17, are just for'ard of the main rotor mast/gearbox.

In the illustration below, the engine air intakes "B" are covered with the 'mushroom' style inlet covers which are also heated and perform a basic de-icing function but, as can be seen, the accident aircraft is not fitted with these.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-taxSuR5ZS2U/UqH-iJiNnLI/AAAAAAAAPuI/VV39dZDNJjk/w700-h359-no/mi8+2.png

[heli1]

You have to admire their optimism that it might fly again ,

[9Aplus]

Just small Errata
A - is oil system cooler air fan entrance
and APU AI-9 is behind MGB and hydro oil installation/accumulators - full right on Sav. picture.

Whole cutaway picture can be seen here ->
http://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/7049229/img/Anonymous/0-63c45-a3156507-orig.jpg

[Savoia]

Heli1: Indeed but .. given how the Mil's are built .. not entirely unreasonable ;) only that it would be far less expensive to 'rejuvenate' one of the numerous existing airframes which are to be found strewn across the former USSR.

9A+: Thank you for this correction. :ok:

Peter-RB: Please note (as per 9A+) that the uppermost intake "A" is in fact the oil cooler intake.

[Peter-RB]

Buonjourno Savoia,

Non comprende Italiano, -----in fact thats ma lot,

Thankyou for that explanation also 9A+, I once stood next to one of these Mi8 Helis, and remember they seem to be built like the original "Brick WC"

Have a nice weekend

Peter R-B
Misty raining Cold Lancashire, wishing I was somwhere warmer!:ok:

[Savoia]

I once stood next to one of these Mi8 Helis, and remember they seem to be built like the original "Brick WC"

As indeed they are! This, combined with their generally non-complex systems makes them ideal for operations in some parts of the world (with the right support and proficient crew).

Russia adds 52 'Alligator' Attack helicopters as Kremlin seeks to strengthen force

The first batch of Ka-52 “Alligator” attack helicopters has been delivered to Russia’s Western Military District (WEST), headquartered in St. Petersburg, reports Russian news agency Ria Novosti.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5519/9076126173_7eac960704_c.jpg

Formed in 2010 by Presidential Decree, WEST is one of the four operational strategic commands of the Russian Armed Forces and controls the 1st Air and Air Defense Forces Command of the Russian Air Force.

Over the past year, WEST has expanded its fleet to include more than 35 new and upgraded aircraft, including the Su-34 fighter bomber, the MiG-31 BM interceptor aircraft, and several different models of attack helicopter, Ria Novosti reports.

The Ka-52 “Alligator” is a twin-seated all-weather attack helicopter developed for battlefield reconnaissance and target designation. According to AirforceTechnology, Russia’s Air Force began fielding Ka-52s in April 2011 as part of a move to replace its Ka-50 “Black Shark” fleet.

The delivery is just part of the Russian military's recent resurgence.

Russia's Air Force Will Add 12 Ka-52 Attack Helicopters By Year's End - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/russias-air-force-will-add-12-ka-52-attack-helicopters-by-years-end-2013-12)

[Savoia]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7430/11363826985_80a2dcdef8_b.jpg
Mi-28UB (aka the 'Russian Apache') '37 Yellow' hover-taxis outside Mil's helicopter plant in Moscow on 11th December 2013 (Photo: Mikhail Medvedev)

[Ian Corrigible]

Something a bit special, c/o Av Week: a Mi-2 with a Rockwell Collins CAAS cockpit (as fitted to the MH-47G, MH-60M & MH-60T). Used by the University of Iowa’s Operator Performance Lab (OPL) as a sensor testbed, primarily for U.S. military research work.

http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/uploads/2014/07/Mi2%20cockpit.jpg (http://aviationweek.com/blog/no-run-mill-mil)

http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/uploads/2014/07/MI2%20outside.jpg (http://aviationweek.com/blog/no-run-mill-mil)

http://aviationweek.com/site-files/aviationweek.com/files/uploads/2014/07/Mi2%20engine%20start.jpg (http://aviationweek.com/blog/no-run-mill-mil)

I/C