DGAC licence and type rating

[wind check]

La licencia CPL, ATPL tiene una caducidad de 5 años, la HT de 1 año y depende de la experiencia que hayas tenido, te pedirán mas horas de simulador para renovarla, si pasas de 36 meses, tendrás que realizar TODO el curso completo.


That is NOT what the JAR-FCL say. So if the spanish DGAC signed the JAR-FCL agreement, why don't they apply the rules. People who are concerned with this issue should put the DGAC to the european court.

[N-1]

Licence Validity is 5 Years as you can read below:

JAR-FCL 1.025. Validez de licencias y habilitaciones.
(Ver IEM FCL 1.025)
(a) El titular de una licencia no ejercerá las atribuciones concedidas por cualquier licencia o habilitación emitida por un Estado miembro de la JAA a no ser que mantenga la competencia mediante el cumplimiento de los requisitos pertinentes del JAR-FCL.
(b) La validez de una licencia está determinada por la validez de las habilitaciones anotadas en la misma y el certificado médico. (ver IEM FCL 1.025)
(c) La licencia será emitida por un período máximo de 5 años. Durante este período la licencia será reemitida por la Autoridad:
(1) después de la emisión inicial de una habilitación o su renovación;
(2) cuando el párrafo XII de la licencia esté completo y no tenga más espacios;
(3) por cualquier razón administrativa
(4) a discreción de la Autoridad cuando sea revalidada una habilitación.
Las habilitaciones válidas serán transferidas por la Autoridad al nuevo documento de licencia.
El titular de una licencia solicitará a la Autoridad la reemisión de la licencia.
Con el formulario de solicitud se incluirá la documentación necesaria.
JAR-FCL 1.245. Habilitación de tipo y clase - Validez, renovación y revalidación.
(Ver apéndice 1 y 3 al JAR-FCL 1.240)
(a) Habilitaciones de tipo y habilitaciones de clase multimotor, aviones - validez. Las habilitaciones de tipo y las habilitaciones de clase de multimotor son válidas durante un año desde la fecha de emisión, o desde la fecha en que expiran si han sido revalidadas durante el período de validez.
(b) Habilitaciones de tipo y habilitaciones de clase multimotor, aviones - revalidación. Para la revalidación de las habilitaciones de tipo y las habilitaciones de clase multimotor, avión, el solicitante completará:
(1) una verificación de competencia de acuerdo con el apéndice 1 al JAR-FCL 1.240 en el avión del tipo o clase correspondiente dentro de los tres meses inmediatamente precedentes a la fecha en que expira la habilitación; y
(2) por lo menos, 10 sectores de ruta como piloto en el avión del tipo o clase adecuado, o un sector de ruta como piloto en el avión del tipo o clase adecuado volado con un examinador durante el periodo de validez de la habilitación.
(3) La revalidación de una habilitación de vuelo instrumental (IR/(A)), si se es titular, será combinada con los requisitos de revalidación de habilitación de tipo o clase establecidos en (1) y (2) anterior, de acuerdo con el JAr-FCL 1.185.
(c) Habilitación de clase de aviones monomotores de un solo piloto - validez y revalidación. Las habilitaciones de clase de aviones monomotores de un solo piloto son válidas durante dos años, desde la fecha de emisión o de la fecha de expiración si ha sido revalidada dentro del período de validez.
(1) Todas las habilitaciones de clase de aviones monomotores de pistón (terrestres) y todas las habilitaciones de TMG - revalidación. Para la revalidación de las habilitaciones de clase de aviones monomotores de pistón (terrestres) y todos las habilitaciones de TMG, el aspirante realizará en un avión monomotor de pistón (terrestre) o en un TMG:
(i) dentro de los tres meses precedentes de la fecha de expiración de la habilitación, superar una verificación de competencia o un examinador autorizado, o en un avión terrestre monomotor de pistón, o en un TMG; o bien
(ii) dentro de los 12 meses precedentes a la espiración de la habilitación:
(A) completar 12 horas de tiempo de vuelo en la clase incluyendo 6 como piloto al mando, y 12 despegues y 12 aterrizajes; y
(B) completar un entrenamiento en vuelo con instructor de al menos una hora de duración. Este vuelo puede ser sustituido por cualquier otra verificación de competencia o prueba de pericia en vuelo para habilitación de clase o tipo.
(2) Aviones monomotores turbopropulsados terrestres para un solo piloto - revalidación. Para la revalidación de una habilitación de clase de aviones monomotores turbopropulsados terrestres el aspirante realizará una verificación de competencia con un examinador autorizado en la clase correspondiente de avión, dentro de los tres meses precedentes a la fecha de expiración de la habilitación.
(d) Habilitaciones caducadas
(1) Si la habilitación de tipo o de clase multimotor ha expirado, el aspirante cumplirá los requisitos de (b) anterior y un entrenamiento de refresco según sea determinado por la Autoridad. La habilitación será válida desde la fecha de cumplimiento de los requisitos de renovación.
(2) Si la habilitación de clase de avión monomotor para un solo piloto ha expirado, el aspirante superará la prueba de pericia del apéndice 3 del JAR-FCL 1.240.
JAR-FCL 1.250. Habilitación de tipo para aviones multipiloto - condiciones.
(Ver AMC FCL 1.261 (d))
(Ver IEM FCL 1.261 (d)).
(a) Condiciones previas al entrenamiento: El aspirante a la emisión de la primera habilitación de tipo para un avión certificado para más de un piloto tendrá:
(1) al menos, 100 horas de vuelo como piloto al mando de aviones;
(2) una habilitación válida de vuelo instrumental en aviones multimotores;
(3) ser titular de un certificado de haber superado un MCC. Si el curso MCC es añadido al curso de habilitación de tipo (ver JAR-FCL 1.261 y 1.262 y AMC FCL 1.261 (d) e IEM FCL 1.261 (d)), este requisito no será aplicable.
(4) cumplir los requisitos del JAR-FCL 1.285.
(b) El entrenamiento para habilitaciones de tipo multipiloto adicionales requiere la posesión de una habilitación para vuelo instrumental en aviones multimotores.
(c) El nivel presumido de conocimientos para ser titular de una PPL(A) o CPL(A) y para una habilitación de tipo de aviones multipiloto emitidas según requisitos distintos del JAR-FCL no servirán para subsistir el cumplimiento de lo requerido en el párrafo (4) anterior.

With this, no one can put any Authority into Court, sorry it's written and they apply is as it is.

[wind check]

The licence validity is 5 years, I do agree with that.
What I dont agree with the spanish DGAC is that the type rating is valid for 5 years also (and not 1 years as they think in madrid paseo de la noseque)!! and even if it's not updated, it has to be mentioned on the licence.
The also put "copiloto" and this is not a JAR FCL rule neither. A type rating is a type rating, it 's not the DGAC who decides copiloto or captain. Only the company decides if you are captain and you just need the ATPL licence. So, lots, lots of weird things with the spanish dgac, probably the most useless of the world!!! Even in africa or asia the local dgac are not that stupid. Dont be surprised if everybody transfers ther spanish toilet paper into a real JAR licence in another country.

[N-1]

Ok... it seems we are advancing just a bit.

Let's put aside the issue for 5 years validity on licence, and focus on TR validity.

If you have a TR on your licence, and you are flying (working for a company), you must pass two simulator checks a year. Every six months you must prove your company that you comply with their procedures, it is called OPC. Well, in one of those, at the same time must prove the TRE (wich is in fact a delegate of the Authority) that your skills are enough to renew your type rating, instrument rating, and multiengine rating on licence... for that, the TRE fulfills a form numbered as 1.240 and signs your licence renewing its validity for another 12 months. As you can understand (I hope) this TR validation CAN'T be carried out out of period of validity of the license.

In the case you are not working and do not realize a LPC before its expiry date, your TR will remain 'frozen' by a maximum period of 36 months. After that 36 months period it will be lost forever and if you want it back, you will have to do a complete instruction (theorical, 10 simulator sessions including a skill test, and a base training -real flight with 3 landings and 3 takeoffs-).

I was looking for a file with the training required in the event of renewal for an expired TR (nor ravalidation), sorry I can't find it but as far as I remembrer was something like this:

- During validity period: Two hours FFS Sim and Skill test
- From 12 to 24 months expired: Two sectors with TRE and skill test.
- From 23 to 36 months expired: Four sessions Sim, refresh theorical and skill test.
- Over 36 months expired: New type rating.

Other very dangerous thing is the original point for all this mess: When you are flying abroad with a local ICAO licence issued based on a JAR licence that has expired or it's about to do it.

To me, the local ICAO can not be used since its based licence is not valid. Once renewed the JAR licence, once again to ME, you can not transfer a ICAO TR (or FAA TR) issued on a non JAR licence directly.

But as I said BEFORE and will not say AGAIN, the very best thing to DO is to ASK directly to the concerning AUTHORITY. They will tell you what THEY want you to DO.

Best of luck.

[wind check]

Thanks N-1 for those explanations. You have confirmed the stupid spanish rule about Type rating validity. Because, sorry I dont have the texts with mebut, according to the JAR FCL, any JAR 25 type rating are valid for 5 years. No matter if you renew your LPC or not (the OPC is just an operator thing and is not requiered to maintain the licence, the LPC yes, it has to be done every 12 months in order to keep the type rating and IR and ME current. I use the term CURRENT and not VALID on purpose.
Also I remeber about another stupid spanish rule that say it s not possible to do your LPC every 10 months or so. It has to be done every 12 month exactly.
The "copiloto" thing is also a tremendous bull**** that you'll never find in other JAA country.
I tell you what, I was fed up some years ago with the useless and stupid spanish DGAC so I converted the licence into a british JAR and I feel as free as the air :cool:

But once again, no matter if you are current or not, a type rating is valid for 5 years in the JAR FCL- Hence people facing this stupid nonesense issue can just sue the spanish DGAC.

[N-1]

Windcheck, please download the Ammendment 7 for JAR-FCL 1 at:

JAR-FCL 1 - Search (http://search.conduit.com/ResultsExt.aspx?ctid=CT2443659&SearchSource=3&q=JAR-FCL+1++) (the link starting with "1 December 2006 JAR-FCL-1 ......)

Then, go page 142 (1-F-3), section JAR-FCL-1.245 (a) - right column above..... and READ that paragraph..... IT READS TR VALIDITY IS FOR ONE YEAR, cojones!!! :{

YOU can always renew your TR within the 3 months previous to its expire date. If you don't, it will be "frozen" for a maximum of 36 months as I explained before.

Last year, I gave as instructor, several simulator sessions to a pilot that had left the A320 type rating NOT renewed for 4 years on his licence and he HAD TO DO IT ALL AGAIN, just from ZERO in a NEW TR course, base training included. :ugh::ugh::ugh: I know what I'm talking about.

Spain is NOT the only JAA Country which specifies the "co-pilot" restriction on the type rating.... I hold a Portuguese ATPL(A) licence and I also had to take that restriction away at its moment, just like anyone in Spain, only difference is that I received my new licence in two days.

P.S: Regardless I'm spaniard and this ia spanish forum, I do write english for courtesy to others. Sorry for any typing fault or mistake, we spaniards are quite fans of making noise on this in aviation forums. :}:}:}....

Saludos y a ganar la Copa del Mundo!! :ok:

[wind check]

N-1,
Your link talk about spanish DGAC.
By experience as an ex spanish licence holder, and also comparing with friends and collegues all over europe, the spasnih DGAC is by far the worst. They do their own rules and we know why: Their employees don't like to work more than 2 hours/day, and they don´t know how to use an email address or telephone, but the ministerio de Fomento needs to rip of people and suck as much money as they can.
If I have an advice to people doing their training in spain, as soon as you get your spaniard CPL guys, just run away to any other european DGAC, and convert you spanish toilet paper into something more acceptable.

The topic was covered previously, and I invite you to check out the last post of that following link:

http://www.pprune.org/questions/112220-how-long-type-rating-valid.html

Sorry, I can´t find the JAR-FCL rules on google, but I've been in professional aviation for many many years now and I have always heard that in all JAA countries the type rating is valid for 5 years, of course the IR, ME and LPC have to be refreshed every year.

[A320rider]

you can check lazor.T/R good for 5 years.

IR frozen good for 7 years until you get the ATP.

all you need is 4 hours in the sim every 5 years and you are good to keep all your license except the IR single pilot.

save lot of money. no need to keep current every year when there is no job !

in fact pilots who keep current their T/R are waisting lot of money for nothing.

I don't mention the idiots who pay for line training and who will never get a job.

let companies to renew your license as you have to go back on their own OPC( which is a complete joke)...