New Chopper For Polair (NSW Police Force)

[YSSY sider]

Anyone know anymore about this?

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A new machine in addition to the other 5 or are they getting rid of one?

[PANews]

All the singles will have to go to meet the European style need for twins [eventually].

Rumour has it that the type will be the EC135.

[Big Beres]

Yep EC135 - an inside source tells me it hasn't got the legs once it's kitted-up :ok:

[PANews]

Nothing has 'legs' once all the kit is on board.

Unless miniaturisation saves the day the amount of kit police machines want to carry will result in them having to upgrade to a Puma just to undertake the base role.

That is partly why the nominally 6/8 seat favourites in the base police patrol role [902/109/135] end up being three seat machines with room for an occasional passenger [but then only by removing some fuel load].

The police customer took many years to learn that fact of life... never take the sales brochure at its word ..... I think they largely got there in the end with only a few dozen horror stories. :ugh:

[mickjoebill]

I see that 4 of the new mobile command units are pictured at the end of the video :)


Mickjoebill

[mickjoebill]

Reference comments about use of twins, will there be single engine ex police helicopters for sale?



Mickjoebill

[Ascend Charlie]

They flogged off the old B206s a few years back, tired old 25,000 hr machines, some had been for swims in the oggin. Rebuild by Helitech, still out there.

[Friendly Black Dog]

I hear the 135 will have about an hours endurance once all the kit is onboard. I think also they are replacing their 355N so no 350's to hit the market at this stage.

FBD

[BUSA]

I've heard it is actually lighter than most of the detractors have predicted, with full kit it will still have around 900kg usefull payload.

[industry insider]

I very much doubt it will have 900 kg actual payload or even useful load once kitted up.

[Senior Pilot]

NSW Polair 4 is now out and about

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[Kulwin Park]

So what is the new POLAIR 5 that they talk about at the end of the video??? Sounds like it maybe a AW139 or something.

[Senior Pilot]

So what is the new POLAIR 5 that they talk about at the end of the video??? Sounds like it maybe a AW139 or something.

Discussed in Funding Pledge for NSW Police CT helicopter (http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/446209-funding-pledge-nsw-police-ct-helicopter.html) :ok:

[PANews]

An interesting and all too common point in that other thread - about the BK117 replacement - effectively dissing the EC135 for not being able to fly for more than 90 minutes after all the role equipment is fitted.

It is amazing the number of times that this comes to light in police circles. The expectation that any helicopter [or fixed wing for that matter] will fly its max passengers, max fuel and max load forever!

It is sort of understandable that historically 'mere policeman' might have been mislead on this front by sales staff in the industry who certainly do know better. The industry certainly has been guilty of distortion of capability in the past, and hopefully you might have expected that those days had passed and realism had returned..... Not so it seems.

How many times have the police been caught with the wrong airframe for the job?

Roll on the first ASU with a Chinook.

[topendtorque]

'mere policeman'


Isn't that part of the problem? Carrying around several muscle bound wallapors is a heavy task for any machine, mind you telstra reps would put most in the shade, literally.

[John Eacott]

Very impressed with Constable Stewart's appearance ;)

[Ascend Charlie]

I think you will find that the 20-stone squashers of yore are not the lads who go in the Pork Chopper these days. They must pass a fitness test - or is that a fatness test ? Don't remember... damned Alzheimers...

[Nigel Osborn]

Keith is holding his age very well, must be nearly as old as John now!:ok:

[John Eacott]

Keith is holding his age very well, must be nearly as old as John now!:ok:

Pot/kettle?

;)

[Big Beres]

Thats Special Constable Keith Stewart cause he's a special kind of guy :ok::D

[Flying Lawyer]

That's Special Constable Keith Stewart cause he's a special kind of guyI'll second that! :)
I had the privilege of flying with Keith when I visited the NSW Police Airwing in November.

Honourable Company of Air Pilots
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Tudor Owen

Honourable Company of Air Pilots

Judge Tudor Owen

[rickyknee]

And I guess this will be the new POL5 (in late 2014)?

Hawker Pacific Sells First Bell 412EPI Into Australia (http://www.hawkerpacific.com/hawker-pacific-sells-first-bell-412epi-into-australia)

[Brucedicko]

Silly really only having one 412 in the shed. What happens when it's off line?
I heard the BK will go soon. Probably should have gone for 2 good second hand 412s as opposed to spending so much on one machine.
I would have thought that an organization such as the Police would account for the redundancy factor.:ugh:
Despite the disappointment with the 135 endurance and weight limitations, the people calling the shots there would like to replace the whole fleet with 135's. There goes their multirole capability.
For the distances those guys travel and for the work they do, they need something with legs. You can't beat those A-Stars for a workhorse!
You can tell the guys using the gear are not on the same wavelength as the guys making the decisions and spending the money. :rolleyes: