helloo

has anyone heard from the Dragonair pre-qualified cadets? got a email about 3 months ago saying they're going to start interviews mid-year but nothing since then.

any info on assessment during the stages will be greatly appreciated also

z

is it gonna be similar to teh short-course at CX?? There's seem to be not enough advertisement about the short course....at the moment everyone's just guessing. :rolleyes:

News of interviews / sim ride coming up late July / early Aug.

Anyone else got notified ?

yep 28th for me what about u reverse flight?

5th August for me. Anyone know any details of what is involved in the first interview?

Zanski, heard the news from one of my mates.

Isn't Dragonair CPP only for HK citizens?
Dragonair - Careers : Flight Crew Position (http://www.dragonair.com/da/en_INTL/afe9caa28983a110VgnVCM10000010d21c39RCRD?refID=233080149573a110VgnVCM10000010d21c39)____

the requirements on this link show this way..

yep thats right hk citizens only

I have a feeling sooner or later it's gonna change just like Cathay~~:}

Obviously nothing is impossible, but I don't think KA will need to look outside HKG for cadet pilots. The company currently don't need as many pilots as Cathay, nor do they have as many incoming aircraft or route expansions either. I also don't think the company itself has the resources to conduct interviews for expatriate applicants. Unless there is a major exodus of pilots from Dragonair, it is hard to see them resorting to recruiting expatriates for their CPP.

That being said though, a turn in the rumour mill is indicating cadet pilot intake will increase next year.

i am doubting why Cathay need so many pilots?

Hopefully it doesn't open up internationally too soon...no offense to those people who want it to. Looking to go for KA if i don't get though CX again my next try :)

for those who has completed the assessment .

could you briefly tell us what it consists of??

thanks guys.

I don't think KA will need to look outside HKG for cadet pilots...I also don't think the company itself has the resources to conduct interviews for expatriate applicants.

Your info is incorrect. It's happening right now.

ReverseFlight,

Where do you see that they are accepting Expatriate Cadet Pilots? Their website still states that applicants need to have a permanent HKID.

I meant KA won't need to open their cadetship to people without a permanent HKID.

they are accepting Expatriate Cadet Pilots?

Before you fall off your chair, I didn't say they are accepting, just conducting interviews. Read the thread carefully.

BTW, what's a Class 1 medical "without restriction" ? Is the need to wear glasses a restriction ?

Thanks for your contribution to this thread.

Are you saying they are conducting interviews with expatriates? On the application, they ask to provide a HKID number before continuing...

ReverseFlight,

I meant "accepting" as accepting applications and not accepting to the program.

i submitted the application last week.

i still heard nothing else from them

i am quite anxious.

anyone is in the same situation as i do?

I'll not be surprised if the KA cadet program opens up to international applicants. As some of you probably knows, CX is hiring international cadets now. The sole intention of that is to reduce housing allowance by replacing the DESO scheme with the cadet scheme. KA, being a subsidary of CX, will probably do the same in the near future. CX is trying to integrate the whole operation with KA now. All the sim trainings for KA are now being done in CX city. If KA cannot hire enough cadets locally, they will definitely accept international applicants.

I don't deny the fact that KA will open international, but i would say the fact won't be housing allowance. KA don't offer that have much housing allowanace compare to CX.

from KA's page It required the applicants pass all ATPL ground examinations. Just wondering for those who just got their CPL/multi-engine instrument rating around 200+hours. How do you go write the ATPL exam? Isn't it need at least half 1500 hours to write the ground examinations?

the CASA and JAA licenses allow you to take the theory examinations and your ATPL remains frozen until you've got 1500hrs

the CASA and JAA licenses allow you to take the theory examinations and your ATPL remains frozen until you've got 1500hrs

Or more precisely, CASA is frozen until 1500 hrs but under FAA you only get a theory exam credit as you still need a checkride after 1500 hrs to obtain your FAA ATPL. In practice however it doesn't make any difference for KA.

hey everyone

just wondering how did ka contact you if you are invited for the interviews?

phone calls ,emails?

thanks for the heads up

takamasa sir, I've noticed for some time that you are a regular and helpful contributor. :ok:

The answer is - "email".

Cheers.

ReverseFlight

thanks, brother.

i am wondering when they will start informing candidates,especially overseas.

i am from oversea, really anxious to know if i will be considered.

thanks for your heads up:)

anyone know if they are willing to take upon an CPL holder without frozen ATPL??

Hi All,

Does anyone know when they actually started hiring for this position?? I'd applied for the Cadet Pilot Program earlier this year, but didn't hear anything in return.

However, when I clicked "APPLY" on the Pre-qualified Cadet Program page, after I enter all my details, I've got this:

"We are unable to accept an additional application as your current application is being processed."

kind of confuing but, it seems like they are still processing my last application??:confused:

PA911

polair911

hey,how are you?

are you an oversea applicant as well?

Also did you update them saying you meet the mini. requirement for the PQCPP?

cheers man

Hey Takamasa,

Yea, I am an oversea applicant, but as I was saying I was originally going for the normal cadet programe until the Pre-qualified one came out. Haven't heard anything from them, and yet couldn't apply for the PQCPP because they're still processing my previous application. Might just give them a call when I get to HK, as im going back for the GFS eye test anyway.

Thanks dude~~:ok:

cheers~
PA911

i am wondering when they will start informing candidates,especially overseas.

KA has been conducting interviews and sim checks for overseas candidates under pre-qualified scheme already. BTW, you may have a problem with this scheme if you hold Canadian CPL but not Canadian ATPL exam credits due <750 hrs, even if sufficient hours for HKCAD.


I was originally going for the normal cadet programe

Depends. If you have 250 hrs, ATPL exams and fulful other requirements of CAD54, then you may be considered for pre-qualified scheme. If not, then you're back on the original cadet scheme. I think the computer server might have recognised your name and put you on hold. By all means contact HR when you're back in town.

ReverseFlight

hey,

thanks for your instant.

they started already?that might be a big concern for me.Coz i originally applied for the traditional one. Later i updated my resume with my renewed IFR and ATPL written done. I dun know if they will automatically move me to the PQCPP pile , i hope they do of course.
i still dun have any news from them

for the hours you are mentioned, i have about 900 hrs tt. i hope it should be good enough to impress them, at least experience wise.:)

Word is that there will be a pre-cadet program to decide if you can make it to the cadet program. The pre-cadet program will identify certain characteristics in you that will decide your applicability. The pre-cadet program is rumored to begin in Jan.2011 and will cost appx. $499.00 for the pre-cadet screening.

are u serious Uncle W.?? Cos it sure sounds like one of those program that focus more on $$ than the right candidate......hmm similar to what I read on this forum regarding to CX's English tutoring class???

If so, that's a big worry where the aviation industry is heading......:(

PA911

any updates or news from KA??

have been so long since applied.

any news for all of you guys??

thanks for the heads up for any info.

hey guys just some updates on the interview process-

1. General Interview (2 recruitment personnel) 35-45 mins
Self introduction, company info, fleet details, questions on your resume and experience

2. ICAO english test

3. Technical Interview (2 Training Captains and someone from recruitment) 45 mins
Typhoons, thunderstorms, jet engines, constant speed propellers, IFR charts, fleet info, weather in hk, a330, a320, situation questions i.e how do u handle stress, terrain in hk, MDA/DH, visual circling, pneumatics, hydraulics, braking, aircraft you've flown on, fly by wire (thats all i remember but basically everything under the moon so ur better off studying everything- Ace the Technical pilot interview was pretty useful)

4. Sim Check (2 Captains and someone from recruitment) 30 mins
In the A330, but i think it depends on sim availability could be in the 320. General handling and ILS approaches, no auto throttle. Happens on the same day as the tech interview with casual drinks at the bar at the end of the day.

5. CAD class one medical

6. Flight grading
1 sim and 7 flights in the DA42

upon passing flight grading you stay on for 4 more weeks in FTA for JTS in the 737 sim.

hope this helps!

good luck to all applicants

z

wondering if there's any questions regarding calculation,

if yes, wt would they be?

talking IFR charts, what r they about? approach plate? en route chart?

what do i need to know about the terrain in hk?


thanks zanki, have a good one

Anyone holding FAA CPL +250 hours got called for the interview?

Checkerboardhk

just wonder if u have ATPL written and valid Multi IFR?

Hi Takamasa,

I only have PPL but I'm planning to go for CPL and MECIR in US or AU. However, my concerns on FAA are whether the FAA ATPL theory exam is recongized as fATPL by KA and CAD and whether KA "appreciate" FAA's CPL.

Cheers

for this program, basically Ka is helping you for your conversion.

but due to the fact, they only accept conversion base on ur first license.

meaning if you have your FAA PPL, you must not get a CPL/MEIFR issued by other countries.

this is not Ka's requirement but HKCAD request that.

so i strongly suggest you to stick with where you are and continue the training in USA.

i actually cant give you the answer whether they would accept both. but what i can tell you is that USA is one of the member in ICAO. i believe they will accept that. Dont quote on me. i cant confirm atm. i will see if i can find out the answer for u.

Thank you Takamasa. In fact I'm holding a AU PPL so this mean I'll stick to CASA thought the AU$ is so expensive now.............But I think many others here and I still want to know more about the FAA's issue.

Thanks again.

Anyone holding FAA CPL +250 hours got called for the interview?

Yes, as far as I am aware.

whether the FAA ATPL theory exam is recongized as fATPL by KA and CAD

Yes, required under CAD54 Part 3 Chapter 3 section 3.2.5.


whether KA "appreciate" FAA's CPL

Yes, US is ICAO member. However, you must in addition fulfil all flight requirements of CAD54.


they only accept conversion base on ur first license

I understand that CAD conversion is based on CPL which itself must not be a conversion. So if Checkerboardhk moved to US to obtain FAA PPL by conversion and then FAA CPL by examination* (not by conversion), that CPL is recognised by CAD.

* see wording in CAD54 Part 3 Ch 3 sec 3.8.1(e)

To be considered for selection as a Dragonair Pre-qualified Cadet, applicants must hold a Hong Kong Permanent Identity Card and meet the following requirements:

Hold an ICAO Commercial Pilot’s Licence (CPL) with passes in all ATPL ground examinations
they only accept conversion base on ur first license

Hey,

Can any tell me if I do my CPL in NZ and ATPL papers in AUS if this would still be valid?

Cheers

If your existing licence is converted from another licence, please do not submit it.
The Hong Kong Civil Aviation Department will only accept your original "non-converted" licence.

it's quote from the appendix of HKA flight crew application instruction.

So basically u cant take short cut.

like Canada, people are only eligible to write the atpl with 750 hrs.

technically people can take a short cut, go to US,convert to FAA CPL,then write ATPL anytime they want.

but this wont work if you want to convert ur current license to hongkong license.

Do you have a link or any idea on how to access the CAD54?

In Australia and NZ, there is no hour requirements for sitting the ATPL exams, therefore it remaining frozen until the 1500 hours are completed.

And so if what youre saying is correct, I can submit my original ICAO NZCPL license with my Aussie ICAO ATPL papers? cause in theory, those ATPL papers are just papers until its unfrozen.

Cheers

CAD 54

http://www.cad.gov.hk/english/pdf/CAD54.pdf

Hope this help

Thanks Checkerboard, appreciate it!:ok:

Hi guys,

I'm just wondering how do they usually contact you if you get an interview after handing in your application? Are they going to call you or e-mail you ? I'm little bit worry about his since I'm living in the U.S at the moment. I left the U.S contact number only on the application form. I heard that they usually give you a call if you are in H.K.

"Like Canada, people are only eligible to write the atpl with 750 hrs.
technically people can take a short cut, go to US,convert to FAA CPL,then write ATPL anytime they want.
but this wont work if you want to convert ur current license to hongkong license."

Hi all,
So for the applicant from Canada, what is the best way to get the written ATPL done that is suitable for the KA pre-cadet program and HKCAD?
I am looking for the best place for me to take the ICAO ATPL written, but confusing now...

I submitted my application 2weeks ago and I'm wondering how long it normally takes for the process. Somebody said they will call the applicants about 2-3 weeks after the date of submission. Is that true?

Just want to say thanks to Zanski for the info regarding the interview process.

It was a really big help.

Just did my Medical in HK and should be going to adelaide in Jan for Flight grading.

Does anyone hv any info for the DA42's that are flown at FTA? And also what is involved in the flight grading itself?

I've managed to find the checklists and flight manuel from the internet but its not from FTA. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers.

hey rookie,
I couldn't manage to get my hands on a checklist from FTA until i got there either. The DA42s at FTA have the lycoming engines (the flight manual from the diamond website still have the diesel). Read up on the VPG for Parafield from the CASA website and flip through the G1000 manual. You might also want to have a look at the approach plates for YPAD (ILS and VOR). That should be enough to get you started.

Will do Zanski,

thanks again :)

Hi,

Does anybody knows what's the minimum requirements to qualify for this KA Pre-Qualify Cadets Programme. I'm holding UK JAA Frozen ATPL and was told that i do not meet the mins.

thanks

yep,

its on the KA website

"To be considered for selection as a Dragonair Pre-qualified Cadet, applicants must hold a Hong Kong Permanent Identity Card and meet the following requirements:
Hold an ICAO Commercial Pilot’s Licence (CPL) with passes in all ATPL ground examinations
Hold a valid 1st class medical certificate without restriction
Have a valid multi-engine instrument rating
Have at least 250 flying hours
Excellent command of English, both oral and written"

have u tried Cathay? They are hiring internationals but Dragonair are ONLY hiring permanent HK residents as far as i know

Rookie p,

I was told by KA that i'm still in the Pre-cadet file. They told me that I'm well short of hours. PIC and Night time. Do you know whether UK SPIC time is the same as HK SPIC time? If that's the case then I would qualify for the PIC section but just 5 hours short at night time.

many thanks

What address did you e-mail KA at?
There wasn't anywhere to list total time that I could see on the application form, just space for flying training, with what I assumed was hours flown during each particular training.

How many hours of PIC and night time are they looking for?
Will there be any other requirements like PIC U/S hours?

Wg 100, check your mail for the email address.
KA sent me the 'Flying experience' sheet once I got accepted for the PreCadet Application.

100 PIC and 10 Night time

Thanks for that. I'll drop them a line to see whether my application is likely to get processed, or if they are holding everything for now.

Oh, and n.dave. How has your application progressed?

My application is on hold at the moment unless I have enough hours. So frustrating after finished flight training that cost me £££££s my UK frozen ATPL is not enough to convert to HK CPL. :*
Been sending an email to HKCAD to see whether my licence and my hours are enough to convince them for a HK CPL.
(Hey wg100, you in UK right? Have you tried Aer Lingus. They were hiring low hours FOs. I'm waiting anxiously for their call)

How many more hours do you need? What are the HK CAD requirements for license conversion?

Yes, I'm in the UK and in the same boat as you.

How many more hours do you need? What are the HK CAD requirements for license conversion?

It's all set out in CAD54:

Flying experience requirements for CPL: Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6

Flying experience requirements for IR: Part 3 Chapter 10 section 10.4

Licence conversion application docs: Part 3 Chapter 3 section 3.8

Now, here comes the fun part. Go to the CAD website, locate and download CAD54 (a pdf document). First guy who finds all the answers to the above questions and posts the answers on Pprune gets a bottle of champagne. The rest of you, ask him all the questions you need to know about converting your licence.

I have offered this prize to many student pilots but all of them have done nothing but wait for the champagne winner to give them all the answers.

Flying experience requirements for CPL: Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6
The minimum flying experience required for the issue of a Hong Kong CPL(A) is 250 hours. This may be reduced to 200 hours where the applicant has completed an integrated course of flight and ground training approved by the Hong Kong CAD. These minimum hour requirements are to include the following flying hours obtained in aeroplanes:-
(a) 100 hours as PIC or PIC U/S, of which, 70 hours must be as PIC. In the case of a Hong Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training, such hourscan be reduced to 90 hours as PIC of which 20 hours can be SPIC;
(b) 35 hours cross-country flying as PIC, PIC U/S or SPIC of which 30 hours must be PIC. This cross-country flying should include a flight as PIC on a route of 300 nm completed in a single day, in the course of which the aeroplane landed and came to rest at not less than two intermediate and different aerodromes;
(c) 10 hours night flying as PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T, of which five hours must be as PIC. This night flying must include 10 take-offs and 10 landings without assistance, and two cross-country flights as PIC or PIC U/S or SPIC terminating at an aerodrome a minimum distance of 65 nm from the point of departure. It must also include three hours
night dual of which one hour must be navigation training; and
(d) 10 hours instrument flying as P U/T in aeroplanes.
1.6.2. The remainder may comprise flight time as either PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T
counted in full, or P2 counted at half rate.
1.6.3. SPIC (Student Pilot-in-command) refers to the flight time obtained in a Hong Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training during which the flight instructor on board the aircraft will only observe the student acting as pilot-in-commandand must not influence or control the flight of the aircraft.
Flying experience requirements for IR: Part 3 Chapter 10 section 10.4
The minimum flying experience required for grant of an IR(A) is 250 hours. This may be reduced to 200 hours where the applicant has completed an integrated course of flight and ground training approved by the Hong Kong
CAD. These minimum hour requirements must include:-
(a) 100 hours as PIC or PIC U/S, of which 50 hours must be cross-country flying as PIC; and
(b) 40 hours as pilot by sole reference to instruments, of which 20 hours may be in an approved flight simulator or approved procedure trainer. The instrument ground time shall be under the supervision of an instructor acceptable to the CAD.
Licence conversion application docs: Part 3 Chapter 3 section 3.8
The holder of a foreign professional pilot's licence applying for a Hong Kong licence must submit Form DCA 218 (with a recent full face photograph attached) together with:
(a) a cheque for the appropriate fee made payable to “The Government of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region”;
(b) proof of nationality;
(c) copy of the pilot’s licence offered for conversion, to include evidence of:
(i) a civil Instrument Rating (Aeroplanes) or an equivalent flight test which included testing on VOR, NDB and ILS taken in a multi-engined civil registered aircraft, an approved civilian flight simulator, or a military multi-engined transport type aircraft with an equivalent
civil version; and in each case the flight test was conducted by a civil aviation Authorized Examiner and the last date of test to be within the six years preceding the date of application;
(ii) a multi-engined Aircraft Rating; and
(iii) a Medical Certificate
(d) copy of the Flight Radiotelephony Operator’s Licence offered for conversion;
(e) copy of all the examinations results passed for the issue of the licence;
(f) copy of the last six months entries of the applicant’s personal flying log book;
(g) completed form DCA 605; and
(h) completed form DCA 530.


You are right, that was fun!

:ugh:damit you are too fast Jabiman!

Can anybody clarify whether UK's SPIC is the same as HK's SPIC time, please?

@<hidden> wg100, still got 50 pic and 5 night time to do. Doesn't make sense after I got frozen atpl + mcc + joc. If full SPIC time is counted towards PIC then I can easily do the night times.

@<hidden>, how can student claim their rewards?????

So, from Part 3 Chapter 1 section 1.6, an integrated course allows for a reduced time requirement for license issue (as it does in the UK). So I guess the next question would be to ask the HK CAD which FTO is considered to be approved. OAA provide training in Australia, so does the approval of OAA extend company wide...?

I guess the other option would be to pay your $170 and try to get a license converted...

Jabiman is fast becoming the knowledge guru even before the champagne winner is announced ! Yeah, keep those questions flooding in ! :D

@<hidden>, how can student claim their rewards?????
So you want the champagne as well as the answers to your questions, eh ?

Lol I'm a light weight on drinks even though I consider myself to be British.
You didn't really answer my question though.

Before I was thinking of submitting my application one semester before graduation.
Now seems like they won't interview you and give you a conditional offer if you are a little short on hours, right?
I will try to submit early anyway, gotta seize every chance.:ok:

and does anyone know 10 hrs of instrument training have to be real IMC or it can be under the hood? I have heard different versions...:ugh:

and does anyone know 10 hrs of instrument training have to be real IMC or it can be under the hood?

The wording in CAD54 is "10 hours instrument flying as P U/T in aeroplanes." Whether it is real IMC or under the hood is therefore irrelevant as long as it is an instrument flight as pilot under training.

As no one seems to be eager to offer you the answers, I would rightfully claim to be the winner of the bottle of champagne. :D:D:D

Hey,

Just wondering if anyone else will be leaving for adelaide on the 8th Jan.

cheers

Two thirds of the way through flight grading, 3 more flights to go.

So far so good.

If anyone is interested, I'll be happy to write down exactly what the flight grading entails.

Any takers?

Rookie

Hi Rookie,

I would be very interested. Would you be able to PM me please? Cheers

i would be interested in that as well! Awaiting results from the pre-flight grading stages.

Cheers,
Crawford

Send me PM as well?

sure guys, i'll send the info to you this weekend when my grading has finished, In detail :)

gd luck mate. Keep it up!!almost there!

Sounds fun. Well done - keep it up and good luck.
Would be very interested in the detailed summary and hopefully fly with you one day!
Cheers
Kee

hi people,

as quite a few of you were interested, i'll just post it here. Hope thats alright with you guys. Anyways, here it is:


Dragonair Advanced Flight Grading: Diamond Twinstar DA42-L360

Flight 1: General handling
- straight and level
- Climbing and descending
- Turns:- medium, Steep
- Climbing and descending turns
- Stalls:- Full clean stall, incipient stall in landing config
- Unusual attitudes


Fight 2: Circuits
- normal
- flapless
- short field
- engine failure after takeoff
- engine failure on downwind
- asymmetric go-around
- asymmetric landing


Flight 3: Instrument Flying
- same as Flight 1 but under the hood


Flight 4: VFR nav
- around five legs including one diversion. Google map helps a lot, just look up what the places look like beforehand.
- You are given a flight plan and a map with the legs drawn on for you. All the winds , distances, tracks, hdgs and times are given as well.
- You don't need to do any planning but make sure you know how to do diversions.


Flight 5: IFR nav + VOR approach
- Similar to the VFR nav, no diversions though.
- Again, all the planning is done for you.
- So all you hv to do is fly what the flight plan says
- making sure you do all the procedures (climb checks, cruise checks, pre-descent checks etc)


Flight 6: ILS approach
- After take-off, you're radar vectored to intercept an ILS thats close by


Flight 7: Combo flight
- the last flight goes through everything you've done from flight 1-6.


good luck everyone!

thanks rookie P.

Very detailed and I think it is beyond what Normal CCP would be tasked. Thanks nonetheless!

WOW, Looks like a CPL test to me and a bit of I/R.
May I ask for the diversion, is Vortrack allow?

Yeah it was pretty hectic, especially when you haven't flown a twin for 6 months. But thats all done and dusted now, on to JTS

Vortrack is not allowed im afraid. With the G1000, you have the ND to your right which shows your track and ground speed. So as long as you keep on your tracks (adjusting hdg for wind), you'll be fine :)

Forgot to mention that you have to do an unmanned joining procedure at an airfield on the VFR nav. They call it a CTAF over here. You should get all the info you need for that and more from the Australian CASA website

quick question-

what are the chances of the HKID restrictions being lifted to make the dragonair cadetship on par with the cathay?

Anyone of you done the ICAO assessment test? And fail?

ICAO assessment test? And fail?

I have heard of such cases. You are directed towards specific training (at your own cost) referred by your assessor and you will be retrained again and again until you pass it. :eek:

hi everyone, i'm a fresh grad pilot with 200hours from malaysia. Any advise for me in order to get a job? i'm aware of Dragonair is hiring pre-qualified cadets but with requirement of HK citizen.

Anything that i can do with it?

drewteh, you must have HK residency rights for the KA scheme.

Do you have Malaysia residency rights ? If so, you'd be better off applying for airlines in Malaysia as they don't employ those without.

Postscript to my last post: Pilots have been known to FAIL the ICAO test.

reverseflight,

thanks for your information
yea, i tried to apply local airlines and am waiting for the news.
just would like to try my luck for oversea airlines. =]

Hey all,

Has anyone here been interviewed lately, or is still in the process of progressing through the interview processes? If there are any tips, especially for pre-qualified cadets preparation, I'd highly appreciate it.

Thanks a lot in advance =)
Cheerz, All the Best!!!

Can anyone answer this:
Does Dragon air take Indian CPL holders with around 300 hours flying

Hello,

Have you find out the answer to your "glasses" question?

kbh

Senior Eagle - answer to your question is no. However, im sure if you try one of your local carriers you should be able to get a job... the girl centainly did!

IndiGo pilot faked licence documents, 'landed planes on nose wheel' (http://www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-news/pilot-who-landed-plane-nosefirst-faked-licence-documents-20110228-1bakq.html)

Hello all,

I am going through the papers KA sent me and filling out the “flying experience” form.

What is the difference between:




PIC (Pilot in command)
PIC U/S (Pilot in command under supervision)
SPIC (Student Pilot in command)
P U/T (Pilot under training)

I have been trying to look up for their definitions from the HK CAD website but unsuccessful.

Million Thanks,
CharlieLS

CharlieLS,

PIC is mainly you fly the aircraft by yourself such as solo flying.

PIC U/S is when you fly the aircraft under your command but with supervision of an examiner such as taking a flight test.

SPIC is only applicable if you did your training on an integrated route. Howeve though, HKCAD only recognise Adelaide flt school! If you did it else where then it will be count as P1 U/T

P U/T is where you receive instructions from your instructor when you learn to fly i.e Dual flt.

You can also check it out on HKCAD website!
Hope it helps.

n.dave

Thanks n.dave for your help!



Does anyone know do they take "Recency" into account while they evaluate a candidate's flying experience?

I haven't flown nor shoot an ILS approach for years. Anyone has the similar situation?

Thanks.

Hi All:

I just have a couple of queries which I hope someone can answer:
a) I read somewhere that the flight assessment is about 6 weeks, does that include the indoctrination stage if accepted?
b) I assume that those offered a job after will serve as SO's on KA. Anyone know which fleet the SO's will fly and how long is the upgrade to JFO at KA?

Many Thanks.

I just got an interview invitation (PQCPP) from KA to be conducted in HK, but I am in US now. Do you guys know if KA has or will start conducting interviews overseas?

KA employ HK ID holders on local contracts. They employ non-HK ID holders on expat contracts that include things like housing and education allowances, etc.

If they were to ever open up the cadet or PQC programs to non-HK ID holders then they would not be able to offer the expat extras to any new applicant again, whether that applicant was experienced or not, as it would be discrimination. That is what is happening at CX at the moment.

If you have a HK ID card, go for KA. You will get your training paid for, without a bond (ie no 'forgivable' loan) and you will fly from your first day in the RH seat, gaining those precious hours. If you're not happy with the contract after a few years, leave.

Hi everyone!

I have got a Frozen ATPL from UK and got around 220 hours. Do you think i can apply the Pre-Qualified Cadet? I am hong Kong citizen btw~

cheers:ok:

ikcmms, you can apply; but they will not process your application until you have 250TT, 100CMD, 10hrs Night, 5hrs night cmd. It's a requirement for the HKCAD CPL conversion terms.

there are some requirement for X-country flying too I believe :cool:

No ball rolling until you can show the following in your logbook. (From CAD 54.)

1.6. FLYING EXPERIENCE REQUIREMENTS

1.6.1. The minimum flying experience required for the issue of a Hong Kong
CPL(A) is 250 hours. This may be reduced to 200 hours where the applicant
has completed an integrated course of flight and ground training approved by
the Hong Kong CAD. These minimum hour requirements are to include the
following flying hours obtained in aeroplanes:-

(a) 100 hours as PIC or PIC U/S, of which, 70 hours must be as PIC. In
the case of a Hong Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training, such hours
can be reduced to 90 hours as PIC of which 20 hours can be SPIC;

(b) 35 hours cross-country flying as PIC, PIC U/S or SPIC of which 30
hours must be PIC. This cross-country flying should include a flight
as PIC on a route of 300 nm completed in a single day, in the course of
which the aeroplane landed and came to rest at not less than two
intermediate and different aerodromes;

(c) 10 hours night flying as PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T, of which five
hours must be as PIC. This night flying must include 10 take-offs and
10 landings without assistance, and two cross-country flights as PIC or
PIC U/S or SPIC terminating at an aerodrome a minimum distance of
65 nm from the point of departure. It must also include three hours
night dual of which one hour must be navigation training; and

(d) 10 hours instrument flying as P U/T in aeroplanes.
1.6.2. The remainder may comprise flight time as either PIC, PIC U/S, SPIC or P U/T
counted in full, or P2 counted at half rate.

1.6.3. SPIC (Student Pilot-in-command) refers to the flight time obtained in a Hong
Kong CAD approved CPL/IR training during which the flight instructor on
board the aircraft will only observe the student acting as pilot-in-command
and must not influence or control the flight of the aircraft.

The KA requirements states you must have a HK Permanent ID card, but what if you only have a HK ID card which is not permanent?

Look to see what letters you have or whether you fall into one of these categories.

If no letter 'A', then no apply.

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See also: Right of abode in Hong Kong (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Right_of_abode_in_Hong_Kong)

Permanent HKID holders have the Right of Abode (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Right_of_abode_issue,_Hong_Kong) (Chinese: 居留權) in Hong Kong. Under the Basic Law of Hong Kong (http://www.pprune.org/wiki/Basic_Law_of_Hong_Kong), a person who belongs to one of the following categories is a permanent resident of the HKSAR with right of abode privileges:

(a) Chinese citizen born in Hong Kong before or after the establishment of the HKSAR
(b) Chinese citizen who has ordinarily resided in Hong Kong for a continuous period of not less than seven years before or after the establishment of the HKSAR.
(c) Person of Chinese nationality born outside Hong Kong before or after the establishment of the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region to a parent who, at the time of birth of that person, was a Chinese citizen falling within category (a) or (b).
(d) Person not of Chinese nationality who has entered Hong Kong with a valid travel document, has ordinarily resided in Hong Kong for a continuous period of not less than seven years and has taken Hong Kong as his place of permanent residence before or after the establishment of the HKSAR.
(e) Person under 21 years of age born in Hong Kong to a parent who is a permanent resident of the HKSAR in category (d) before or after the establishment of the HKSAR if at the time of his birth or at any later time before he attains 21 years of age, one of his parents has the ROA in Hong Kong.
(f) Person other than those residents in categories (a) to (e), who, before the establishment of the HKSAR, had the ROA in Hong Kong only.
***- holder aged 18 or above, and is eligible for a HK Re-entry Permit

* - holder aged between 11 and 17, and is eligible for a HK Re-Entry permit

A- RIGht of abode
R- right to Land
U- unconditional stay
C- conditional stay
M- Male
F- Female
Z- born in HK
X- born in mainland CHina
W- born in Macao
O- born in OTHER countries/regions

Y- date of birth has been verified by the Immigration Dept by virtue of the holder's passport or birth certificate

B- the holder's registrated Date of birth, Place of birth, or Gender has been altered after the holder's first registration of such details with the HK Immigration Dept

H1/K2/S1 etc.- Immigration office at which the HKID card was issued

L- the holder has previously lost the HKID card
(e.g. L1- the person has lost the ID card ONCE
L2- the person has lost it TWICE

Has anyone tried applying without an ATPL and gotten an interview?

Anyone here still in the interview process?:ok:

Thats means I cannot apply since I only have a normal HKID card and not the HK permanent ID card.

But I would like to know how do the foreigners get in without a permanent ID card?

is anyone currently in the interview process or has received an invitation to the interview?

my frds just had interview with them and didnt go though bcoz he doesnt have PERMANENT ID.... what a joke... i am doing my hours building in the USA and hopefully will get my interview end of next months....

I have just got the reply from KA and will have my initial on the 3/5! Anyone doing on the same day??

Good luck to you! :ok:

Mate, good luck!

Please share your interview experience with us in the future. A private message will be great :ok:. How long had you waited for an interview date after getting all the required hours?

No pro! Thx!!

Regarding the PQC interview process...

-Does it have a math component to it? I've only heard that the regular cadet interview has one.
-If so, what stage/day is it on?

Juz got an invitation from dragonair I will be doing my initial interview on the 4th of May. Anyone here doing the same?

Anyone here, who is not a HK resident (ID holder) and has got an invitation????

has anyone got a email to apply for the pre qualified cadet program.
Just sent them a email and keep getting a email back saying email address is not valid.

has anyone got a email to apply for the pre qualified cadet program.
Just sent them a email and keep getting a email back saying email address is not valid.

Look good at the e-mailadress on the web: recruit.cockpit@<hidden>gaonair.com (recruit.cockpit@<hidden>)

Try: recruit.cockpit@<hidden>agonair.com (recruit.cockpit@<hidden>)

If that doesn't work, I thought that the recruitment team of KA had a similar adress as the recruitment e-mailadress from CX..

The email address with the correct spelling of ‘dragon’ works fine, the spoof address was probably the first phase in filtering out the no hope candidates (if you can’t spell the company name then you really don’t belong). Good luck to all!!!!!!!

by the way when was PQC prog introduced for NON-HKID.
and when we can expect an invitaion, any idea???

The programme is open for international applicants from April. I heard there will be no invitation for PQC in the next several months.

No invitations even for HKID holders?

I heard there will be no invitation for PQC in the next several months.

but if they have started it, then they should be calling us (obviously HKID will be on priority).
I don't get it. Your starting a program but your not calling....???? :confused::confused::confused:

P.S. - there are people (HKID) being called for Initial Assessment for PQC on 4rth and 5th may!!

Yes, but FYI some got rejected due to no time slot and they won't conduct any interviews for PQC in the next few months.

I am just curious, how many PQC has KA taken up to this point in 2012?
What kind of flying experience do those people have? (hours, piston/turbine, etc)

Thanks for answering anyway:ok:

Is there any acknowledgment after sending in your details?
How did you guys do who had interviews this week?!

Is there any acknowledgment after sending in your details?

Nope! no acknowledge mail!!


How did you guys do who had interviews this week?!

same question from my side. Anyone hear who has attended the assessment would be kind enough to share his/her experience.

FL123

Sorry about my late reply was away from hk.

I have made it to the icao English test and will have my tech interview on 13/6 and sim on 15/6.

Any tips about the icao? Is that normal KA submit your license conversion application after the first interview??

Btw I have just about 254 hours!

Congrats on that!!!! Best of luck for the the tech and sim part.... do let us know how it went.
by the way can you please tell us what did they ask in your initial interview?

FL123

I just had my Icao today and that was awful! Paraphrase was difficult... Other parts is ok but I didn't use too many difficult words just normal ans... The assessor was speaking so quick....I couldn't catch up with his speed... I dot think I pass I will need miracle to pass it.....

Initial manly foucs on my resume really! How I got my licnese where I got my licnese your family status who pay for your trainning etc... Nth really special to be honest! One thing i couldn't ans was the pilot roster which is 5 on 2 off or 4 on 3 off something like that! Couldn't remember all the question but this is what the interview all about basically.....

Still waiting for the icao result and I dont have too much hope on it....

Thanks for the idea mate...

any idea to when will they resume with the non-HKID people???

No idea mate!

I know some foreigner got called for interview the other day!

I failed the icao so I will hv to do it ag.... Anyone know how long will they normally let you retest??

Thanks!

did anyone receive the auto mail today (addressed to non-HKID people)????

Yesi heard from one of my frd who is non hkid applicant got the email from KA saying there is limited position and he will have to wait. Does that mean even hkid applicant will be affected as well? I still gotta wait for my icao retest....

Does that mean even hkid applicant will be affected as well?

I can't say about that mate. Guess, its just waiting game.

I assume that this is the email that you are talking about:

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for your application for the Dragonair Pre-Qualified Cadet Programme.
Only limited vacancies for the Pre-Qualified Cadet program will be available this year, and shortlisted candidates will be notified in due course.

Please continue to update your application profile and CV shall any of your personal or professional detail changes.

Yours Sincerely

Flight Crew Recruitment
Dragonair

Good luck to all those waiting

Got the same reply quite some time after submitting the application. Hope its positive news soon.
330tt

Hi Guys. I am new here. Actually have been looking for answers in PPRUNE but never did signed up till today. Yes about the Dragonair PQC, it's been exactly a month now after sending my details over, and i've got that same email below

Dear Applicant,

Thank you for your application for the Dragonair Pre-Qualified Cadet Programme.
Only limited vacancies for the Pre-Qualified Cadet program will be available this year, and shortlisted candidates will be notified in due course.

Please continue to update your application profile and CV shall any of your personal or professional detail changes.

Yours Sincerely

Flight Crew Recruitment
Dragonair

Hope this is good news soon.

for non HKID applicants:

Can you recommend a cheap hotel to stay in whilst on the 1st interview?

Cessna , have you got a interview ? I thought that KA were looking a PQC later in the year !

any news with anyone to whens it starting - NON HKID!!

just wondering if anyone of u guys are recently invited for the interview (HKID holder)?

thanks and happy landing

did you get an invite??

Check inbox runway07

Any update here ppl??

There's a good hotel in Lockhart rd Wanchai, it's only 200hkd.....oh wait, sorry that's an hour, my bad :E

I have done the cpp the 1st 2 rounds this year and so far i havnt heard from them.. i guess i should start re-applying the CPP again for next year :sad:

they still havnt called so i assume i didnt get the interview.. have any of you guys get a call yet?

Unfortunately they have stopped hiring Pre-Qualified cadets.

Care to elaborate on why ????

It's not true that KA has stopped hiring Pre-qualified cadets. There are at least a dozen of people currently under the interview process. As far as I know, the first interview is over, and most PQC applicants have taken the ICAO assessment. They are just waiting for the technical interview and simulator check. Cheers~:ok:

Is true... I hv just been told they have no plan interviewing PQC in the near future....

may I asked who told u the PQC recruitment has stopped?

Dragonair Recritment team

Sorry to hear that lkcmss2000, apparently KA has just finished recruiting a few PQC cadets in October. KA doesn't run the PQC recruitment as often as it does for CPP and MPL, just be patient and they will call you once they commence the recruitment again. Good Luck!

So when do you think they will resume the program?

Sorry mate but I don't know the answer to your question. I think you will get the same answer even if you asked KA.

this morning, I received this.. . Any idea please.

"Dear Applicant,

Thank you for your application for the Dragonair Pre-Qualified Cadet Programme.
Only limited vacancies for the Pre-Qualified Cadet program will be available this year, and shortlisted candidates will be notified in due course.

Please continue to update your application profile and CV shall any of your personal or professional detail changes.

Yours Sincerely

Flight Crew Recruitment
Dragonair"

I also received exactly the same answer !

great! Do you hear anything after that..?

Thanks

What's happening this year.....? Anything new anyone? Are they coming up with anything?

No news on my side.

Will post here if I ever hear anything for the PQC programme.

Yea I will post too if I get any

Hi there fellow members! I'm new in this forum, so pardon me for the intrusion. I could'nt help notice the discussion about dragonair PQC as I have also applied for the f/o position recently. This is not the first time, as in, I've applied to Fly Dubai with CTC recruitment, Cathay Pacific but unfortunately they never respond! The replies that you are quoting are actually automated replies! I got about 4000 hrs total, on dash-8 of which 1800+ is P1 and a ICAO ATPL. It is a lot more than any of the requirements for the positions. I still don't understand why I do not even get a respond!!:ugh: I am very frustrated indeed as I am currently unemployed as the airline I worked for went bankrupt! Anyone got any suggestions for me? Please shoot!

Thankyou!

Considering the number of applications they presumably receive it is safe to assume the batch would include people with low to many thousands of hours. This just highlights you can fly a plane. But do you have the “smarts” that meet the airline’s particular standard?


So, how do airlines pick individuals to invite? The majority probably meet the requirements to some degree outlined on their website. So who do they invite? All of them? That would be inefficient. The selection process at Dragonair/CX is rigorous, to say the least. Of the invited individuals the majority are rejected, including captains. They have very experienced HR Teams who screen shortlisted candidates through various methods. You must remember, the selection process is solid, requiring exceptional performances in every area of testing (foresighted candidates begin preparing for an invitation before even being shortlisted. Are you one of them?).

Initially, to get a look-in, your application would have to be impeccable. Your English skills would have to be perfect, irrespective of the language level requirement. Your grammar, punctuation and written content would have to be of the highest order, zero mistakes, and pertinent to the company profile. You have to say the things they want to hear. Do you know what that is?

You could be competing against people whom exceed your qualifications by an extensive margin. You have to be thoughtful and quite aware of your competitors and how they would proceed to fill out their application. They’re just like you trying to get a job. Just like there is a guy with fewer qualifications than you. You’re all charging for the same spot. Thus then, if you don’t get an invite, your application, in its entirety, fell short of the mark. If you understand “perfection”, you are half way there (i.e. you might get an invite).

You should have this overview in your mind with an outline of your application strategy. This then could turn an airline’s curiosity of you into their undivided attention.

Dear Nas,
Thanks for the advise! But that is exactly what I had foolowed actually. Well for starters, the application is in an online format, so there are hardly any room for errors there! I just put in all the facts right and check them like a hundred times! As for the questions, like 'Why I would like to join them and what are the other skills required for a successful pilot etc'... I am not ashamed to say that I actually got hired professional's help to have them composed. I got copy writers from 'Grey,' one of Uk's best ad agencies to have it gone! Not that I couldn't have done it myself but like you said, regardless of the level of English, it has to stand out! So I tried my best and got the best that money could buy! Of-course, I had my own inputs, but the composition and choice of words were awesome from the professionals! I was very glad with it! However, still no luck with employment but I'm still pushing on. What better can I do? :confused:
Take care bro!

GR8AV8R

That's a smart move. Actually, I had my own CV and cover letter professionally done for me. In fact, it was done by a captain who works in recruitment. It was pretty sharp, especially the CV. Gets noticed a lot. Best move I made was getting a pro to do it! Makes you want to read it.

Anyway, you obviously recognise the importance of getting an application done properly. With your level of experience and perseverence you will undoubtedly secure employment sooner or later.

Just keep doing what you're doing. It will come.

Hi just some update for you guys I just got an email from recruitment they said still no schedule for PQC at the moment.

I got the same e-mail. Nothing planned for PQC atm :(

atm.... Actually I don't think they have anything for us in the future too....

Thank you guys for keeping us updated on this, I am considering applying soon. It's very frustrating as it seems they are hiring ab initio all the time. I have the same situation here in Aus with the JQ program which has put advanced applications on hold

In aviation no news sometime is good news.... On hold mean you are not rejected..... Waiting is long but in the end is worth it!