R44 down "Loch Long" [Archive]

pitot212

1st Jun 2010, 13:49

Helicopter crashes into Loch Long as pilot searches for missing boat - The Daily Record (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2010/06/01/helicopter-crashes-into-loch-long-as-pilot-searches-for-missing-boat-86908-22301456/)

Helicopter crashes into Loch Long as pilot searches for missing boat
Jun 1 2010
A PILOT has escaped serious injury after his helicopter crashed into a loch while he was searching for his missing cabin cruiser.
The boat had allegedly been taken from its mooring near Ardgartan on Loch Long in Argyll during the night by someone staying at a nearby campsite.
Its owner went up in his helicopter to look for his boat but was forced to ditch in the water at around 9.10am.
The pilot managed to swim ashore, while the aircraft sank. No-one else was on board.
Meanwhile, a member of the public had spotted the motorboat drifting on Loch Long. Investigators found a man "asleep" on board the vessel, which was towed back to shore.
The man, who had been reported missing from a local campsite at around 7am, was arrested in connection with the alleged theft of a boat.
Clyde Coastguard was involved in the search for the missing vessel.
A spokesman said: "We started searching and put teams out but it was spotted by someone else. It had not gone very far.
"The man that owns it owns his own helicopter and went looking for it and ended up ditching into the loch but he managed to get out and swim ashore."
It is not yet known why the helicopter was forced to ditch in the loch.
A Strathclyde Police spokesman said: "At around 7am this morning police received a report that a man was missing from a campsite near Ardgartan.
"It's believed he may have taken a motorboat and gone out on to the loch at around 2am.
"It's believed the pilot of the helicopter was the owner of the boat which had allegedly been taken by the missing man.
"The pilot was not seriously injured and did not require hospital treatment."

CyclicRick

1st Jun 2010, 13:59

Nice to know he's ok but maybe he should have called for us...? That's what we are there for after all. Police 51 :ok:

jivusajob

1st Jun 2010, 16:39

You might find you were called CyclicRick but you also might find the weather was 'out of limits' for the police helicopter :confused:

Floppy Link

1st Jun 2010, 17:03

And you would know that how...? Considering one of your earlier posts was

Any news on the new Strathclyde Police machine. Has it arrived yet?

If the weather was out of limits for Police 51 then should this guy have been up and about?

Speedy recovery to him. At least he got his boat back.

jivusajob

1st Jun 2010, 19:07

I was down at the heliport to take some pictures on a day out but the weather was rubbish. So I looked up the POAM on the CAA website on my iPhone to check the weather limits and concluded there would be no flying this morning based on my observations of visibility and cloudbase.

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 19:21

jivusajob would you stop giving your spotter observations in this thread. Some poor sod has lost two of his favourite possessions and you sit there giving your pathetic armchair analysis.

If he was clear of cloud (at least 1,500 horizontally), in sight of surface and had a flight visibility of at least 1,500m then everything is fine.

Now with the greatest of respect shut up unless you're going to contribute well to this thread.

fisbangwollop

1st Jun 2010, 19:46

I know the full story and weather was not a factor....so please do not speculate. The weather was not too good but had not stopped the 60 mile transit to get to the loch.

Heli-Jock

1st Jun 2010, 19:52

If Police 51 unable to fly from Glasgow,,,,,why,,,,would anyone think that up Loch Long it would have been any better? As a professional,the weather conditions form a huge part of my flying preparation, "before" i take off.
I see and hear of too many people, take off and check the weather as they fly.
While limitations are there for good reason,,,the limits may well be below the minimum limits en route and i'd bet, we all know people who have fell foul of bad weather conditions! := Some have lived to tell the tale and some,,,,,,,have not!:ugh:

Does anyone know what type aircraft it was?

HJ

Tarman

1st Jun 2010, 19:58

Loch Long is accessible from the River Clyde and the Police helicopter is based at the Clyde heliport. I'm not sure of the sequence of events this morning, but I am pretty sure Police 51 would have routed along the river had they been given a "shout".
I haven't heard which aircraft was involved yet but I know a few that it wasn't !
The main thing is that the pilot is okay, it could have been a lot worse.

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 19:58

Hi HJ

Robinson R44 apparently and in fact I'm sure "Police 51" was on Glasgow Radar frequency earlier today when I was flying inbound in a trusty Flybe Dash 8! I may have misheard though. I guess jivusajob to be a spotter with no solid clue.

Weather wasn't exactly CAVOK but I'm not one to speculate .... Loch Long probably has its own microclimate.

SHG

Heli-Jock

1st Jun 2010, 20:15

Hey SHG,
Loch Long, Mountains on ether side,,low temps,,lots moisture from the Loch ! I also, have no idea of the weather at Loch Long this morning but could hazard a guess it wouldn't be suitable for a picnic in a R44 !
Good news is pilot is ok. I hope others may look at this and consider weather before flying in the future. I note the pilot flew from a business appointment in Edinburgh,,,was the Edinburgh weather better than Glasgow?

Where did you get the info on the aircraft type? Is there a reg?

HJ

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 20:20

Hi H-J, check PM box.

S.H.G

Tarman

1st Jun 2010, 20:21

The first post was from a FISO at Scottish information. I assume he had reliable information.

CyclicRick

1st Jun 2010, 20:31

Well jivusajob...you've been rumbled.... a spotter !;)
We've had this senario before, R44 crash, both the Police AND the Air Ambulance couldn't get there because of the weather....just how bad does it have to be before you walk back into the hangar and put the kettle on?:ugh:

fisbangwollop

1st Jun 2010, 20:32

TARMANThe first post was from a FISO at Scottish information. I assume he had reliable information.

Never ASSUME!!!!!

forget

1st Jun 2010, 20:35

Real spotters don't call hangars hangers.

CyclicRick

1st Jun 2010, 20:37

Whoops...now I'm a spotter too!! :ok:
Albeit not a real one:8

Heli-Jock

1st Jun 2010, 20:39

As everyone who knows you, should know,,,,in the job you do,,,your info will always be correct. Keep up the good work down there and remember to be nice to Longrangers from Edinburgh.
:)

fisbangwollop

1st Jun 2010, 20:42

Is that Longrangers that fly to Stanley near NT ??

fisbangwollop

1st Jun 2010, 20:44

Heli-Jock......Bet your not as pretty as the Pipeline LongRanger pilots :cool:

CyclicRick

1st Jun 2010, 20:47

She does sound rather lovely doesn't she ;)

fisbangwollop

1st Jun 2010, 20:50

Not only sounds lovely but is.....also her sister to:cool::cool::cool:

Heli-Jock

1st Jun 2010, 21:27

Heli-Jock......Bet your not as pretty as the Pipeline LongRanger pilots

Good chance you could be right! :ok:

Not seen her myself tho,,,,,hope to in the future tho!

HJ:O

B.U.D.G.I.E

1st Jun 2010, 22:20

oh please

R44 down "Loch Long"

Does anyone know what type aircraft it was?

in the same post...god help us

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 22:25

B.U.D.G.I.E thank you for your useful post to this thread... not. Go away if you haven't got anything worthwhile to say and leave those that are interested to BE INTERESTED. This isn't an English class or else I'd give you the cane for being a ****.

My useful contribution to this thread is telling you to *****.:=

Gordy

1st Jun 2010, 22:50

SHG....

Smile... :) You are going to give yourself a coronary..... I looked at some of your other posts on Pprune....why the anger?

Much better to take a:

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/helokat/funnies/4319.jpg

I thought B.U.D.G.I.E. made a valid point really....

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 22:57

Don't see the "valid point" in someone getting arsey over another wanting a confirmation of the aircraft or overlooking the thread title! I presume this thread shall be a grand one for helicopter pilots in Scotland so let us keep it that way and not fill it with semantic nonsense and your pictures of a 'CHILL PILL' or whatever else you are going to Google Image.

Whirlygig

1st Jun 2010, 23:12

There's only one person being arsey here ... and it's the one using the words, "arsey", "piss off" and "tw@t".

For heaven's sake man, there are ladies present. :}

Cheers

Whirls

Sir Herbert Gussett

1st Jun 2010, 23:16

Then on that note I'm off for a well earned SLEEP. :) Sorry to those offended by my outbursts, and sorry to B.U.D.G.I.E. Spotter still stands with jizupajob or whatever the name is. :)

Sleep tight campers! ;)

SilsoeSid

2nd Jun 2010, 08:52

I guess this incident isn't the best news anyone promoting the Sky Watch Civil Air Patrol system wants to hear. :sad:

B.U.D.G.I.E

2nd Jun 2010, 09:09

oo lets hope herby has a good nights sleep. Whats wrong with a little funny post once in a while.....

Sir Herbert Gussett

2nd Jun 2010, 11:36

Heryb has had a good nights sleep thank you. :)

Have read today's tatty newspaper, The Sun, that has something about a Robinson 440 crash. Ever heard of one of them, anyone? :)

Tycoon Keith Punler crashes in loch then swims to shore | The Sun |Home Scotland|Scottish News (http://www.thesun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/2996244/Tycoon-Keith-Punler-crashes-in-loch-then-swims-to-shore.html)

1helicopterppl

2nd Jun 2010, 12:00

Only a guess but try R44 G-LWAY......

Fishbangwallop..... i take it you mean the pipeline J/R not L/R ? if so I know both the Sisters, the eldest recently married & the younger one takes after her Father which is a shame.......do agree they both sound lovely on RT, both worked offshore with Bond btw.

fisbangwollop

2nd Jun 2010, 12:28

And just to make my day spoke to her again this morning as she follows the pipe.....You normally find the nicer they sound the less nice they look, but I believe in this instant she is as good looking as she sounds!!! :cool::cool::cool:

Sir Herbert Gussett

2nd Jun 2010, 12:31

"Lovely tone, add on 20 stone" :)

Tarman

2nd Jun 2010, 14:31

This thread seems to have drifted into a fantasy world of Supermodels flying JetRangers ! I have met one of the pipeline girls and she is very nice :)
Over the years though, I have also fallen victim to the lovely sounding receptionist who turns out to be a monster, and before you start calling me sexist I am sure I have disappointed more than a few myself !!

fisbangwollop

2nd Jun 2010, 14:54

This thread seems to have drifted into a fantasy world of Supermodels flying JetRangers !

Nothing wrong with that!!:):):)

Just glad KP got out safe and survived...:ok:

birrddog

2nd Jun 2010, 15:01

http://igossip.com/photos/splashnews_pregnancy_99189_post_image_gisele_bundchen_helico pter_pregnant_spl126362_001.jpg

jivusajob

2nd Jun 2010, 15:57

Hey Gussett

jivusajob would you stop giving your spotter observations in this thread. Some poor sod has lost two of his favourite possessions and you sit there giving your pathetic armchair analysis.

If he was clear of cloud (at least 1,500 horizontally), in sight of surface and had a flight visibility of at least 1,500m then everything is fine.

Now with the greatest of respect shut up unless you're going to contribute well to this thread.

Thats all abit harsh. Far from being a pathetic armchair analysis what you got from me was an eyewittness account from Glasgow Heliport.

In addittion

in fact I'm sure "Police 51" was on Glasgow Radar frequency earlier today when I was flying inbound in a trusty Flybe Dash 8! I may have misheard though. I guess jivusajob to be a spotter with no solid clue.

You are in fact wrong as from the widow of my camper van near the heliport I can assure you Police 51 did not fly in the morning.

Anyway back to the thread, this just seems to confirm yet again that having lots of money can buy you a helicopter. What it cannot buy you is the skill to fly it.

Sir Herbert Gussett

2nd Jun 2010, 16:18

Gordy can you please subscribe me some Chill Pills after I respond to this crap. :ok:

You are in fact wrong as from the widow of my camper van near the heliport I can assure you Police 51 did not fly in the morning.

Anyway back to the thread, this just seems to confirm yet again that having lots of money can buy you a helicopter. What it cannot buy you is the skill to fly it.

In fact I was CORRECT. "Police 51" WAS flying, as ATC have confirmed to me, so maybe you were too busy emptying your toilet chemicals from your camper van to see the thing take off.

KP is far from NOT having skills to fly a helicopter. Mr Punler is actually the complete opposite. Completely competent pilot and a great businessman. So you are wrong AGAIN.

Please don't speculate on the matter of crash until you learn fact, and that a world exists away from Glasgow City Heliport and your camper van (how do you get internet in that bloody thing???). You do not know any of the circumstances, as proven by the fact you missed the copper chopper being away. If he had an engine failure he has done a terrific job getting out safely.

Now please take your speculative spotter nonsense back to your camper van and be a gypsy in the middle of the sea where there is no internet connection.

SHG

B.U.D.G.I.E

2nd Jun 2010, 19:27

Well there is some good news...At least mardy pants is not having a go at me today...:ugh:

Man you need to take a breath and calm down :ok:

Clydeport

3rd Jun 2010, 01:13

Oh dear Gordy, Gussett man might need 2 of your pills when he reads this.

Gussett Man - 0
Jivusajob - 1 :ok:

I don't know who you talked to in ATC Gussett Man but you are WRONG :) about Police 51

In fact I was CORRECT. "Police 51" WAS flying, as ATC have confirmed to me, so maybe you were too busy emptying your toilet chemicals from your camper van to see the thing take off

Here are the facts- Police 51 was tasked to the search for the missing boat, task turned down due to weather being out of limits. Just checked and first time Police 51 got airborne yesterday was 15:25. So no need really for the abuse of Jivusajob.

I did wonder about the Camper Van outside. Seemed like a nice chap though.

Clydeport (a Police 51 pilot)

B.U.D.G.I.E

3rd Jun 2010, 05:21

Here are the facts- Police 51 was tasked to the search for the missing boat, task turned down due to weather being out of limits. Just checked and first time Police 51 got airborne yesterday was 15:25. So no need really for the abuse of Jivusajob.

Brilliant...wind it in old timer :\:\:\:\

Thought there was an element of spotter about you

[email protected]

3rd Jun 2010, 05:42

So, in summary - another GA helo lost thanks to someone thinking that he was a much better pilot than he actually was and trying to fly in poor weather (and low level over the water for f***s sake!).

Another pressonitis victim - this time lucky enough to survive - when will people listen and learn?

It would appear his boat was found undamaged - his concern for one expensive toy overrode any sensible aviation decisions and cost him another expensive toy.

fisbangwollop

3rd Jun 2010, 06:41

Crab....hope we would never meet again on these forums!!!...Dont believe what you read in the gutter press....his main concern was not for his boat believe you me....as for the weather well maybe you have a point but please please people dont jump to conclusions till you know the full facts!!:ugh::ugh:

fisbangwollop

3rd Jun 2010, 06:43

P.S. And oh by the way the weather was was not bad enough for Helimed 5 to fly to the area only to be stood down when he got word the pilot was OK!!!:cool::cool:

CyclicRick

3rd Jun 2010, 10:03

nigelh

3rd Jun 2010, 15:46

Jivusajob .....normally the people who come onto this site and make comments about having loads of money to buy a helicopter but not having any skill etc are either short in stature ( maybe you are ? ) or else they are very ordinary under achievers with a chip on their shoulder ?? Dont think for one minute i am defending a robinson owner , or even this owner who obviously isnt quite good enough of a businessman to buy himself a real helicopter !!
Birddog You know you could never pull a bird like that with a chopper like that .....she will have been hired for sure !!

fisbangwollop

3rd Jun 2010, 16:45

or even this owner who obviously isnt quite good enough of a businessman to buy himself a real helicopter !!

Wrong on both accounts......a very good buisness man whom only recently down-graded to an R44.....used to spend most of his time flying a jet Ranger:cool::cool:

B.U.D.G.I.E

3rd Jun 2010, 18:34

with out wanting to upset any one and I not slagging him off in the same way others seem to. But you got to leave stuff like that to the pros, for the very reason it happened in the first place.

It's gone from a boat missing on a loch, which last time I looked was in land so the boat won't have sailed off to sea. To a full blown crash which included time from rescue services, an air ambo, crash investigators...etc...

Crabs kind of got a point

Sir Herbert Gussett

3rd Jun 2010, 18:57

SHG,
You leave jivusajobs' caravan alone! I've seen it and it's a very nice one with windows, wireless internet and a flushing loo (outside.. but that's beside the point) and he has very good binoculars I'll have you know.:E
Typical frustrated plank driver, stuck at the pointy end with the door shut so no-one can catch him asleep while he's dreaming about flying helicopters but sadly knows he'll never be allowed to.
Does anyone know why the R44 went in in the first place, someone mentioned engine failure is that right?

Rick

I'm afraid that flying helicopters looks too challenging for me! Can't wait to get back on to the Boeing which has an autothrottle! Sit back and sip the coffee/read The Herald. All in the life of a pilot.... I mean bus driver. :ok:

Only thing I'd like about your job is not having to take my bloody shoes off everytime I turn up to work in the morning. Think the Russian bloke really loves a good wiff. :ok:

SHG

@Clydeport person

I can't recall exactly when I heard Police 51 the other day but I'm about 60% sure that I did! Morning, afternoon, late afternoon I can't remember. Was a busy sector day with a minor problem to deal with at Birmingham....!

Cheers

SHG

Edit to say BUDGIE Loch Long connects to Firth of Clyde and is a "sea loch".

C.C.C.

3rd Jun 2010, 19:00

which last time I looked was in land so the boat won't have sailed off to sea
Should have gone to Specsavers.

Loch Long is a Scottish Sea Loch - Loch Long - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Long)

birrddog

3rd Jun 2010, 21:03

Birddog You know you could never pull a bird like that with a chopper like that .....she will have been hired for sure !!
She sure beats Nora Batty, doesn't she Nige? ;)

That was Gisele Bundchen - She got her ticket in Boston so she could fly herself to NYC for modeling appointments, or so the rags said...

It was posted for the benefit of those earlier wondering if "nice tone mean add 20 stone"...

Heli-Jock

6th Jun 2010, 10:31

Is that Longrangers that fly to Stanley near NT ??

Ive recently found out,,,yes it is the Long Ranger that flies at Stanley NT.

I was supposed to be there today sunday but weather not good enough.

HJ

MartinCh

6th Jun 2010, 21:36

Oh my, Giselle can fly helicopters? Love at umpteenth sight. Again. All over. :p

John R81

8th Jun 2010, 15:54

I am totally confused.

Little information on this accident, the only person who appears to know something of what happened says "good pilot, WX not the problem" yet massive rush to judgement of "pilot should have known better" "poor WX planning" = pilot error.

Another thread - Norway accident - professional pilot with passengers. Over MTW, outside C of G, back side of the power slope (perhaps even hovering OGE) with a fog bank preventing continued transit to destination. No rush to judgement against the pilot.

Is that what a CPL buys you over a PPL? Being treated here with a little more respect?