CAR 155 search....

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Hi all,

I'm looking for CAR 155 and am having trouble finding it. It seems that when you type CAR 155 into the CASA website's search function, you (well I do) get everything BUT CAR 155.

I keep getting the CAAP 155 (which keeps referring to CAR 155) but can't find CAR 155.

Can anyone help?

Much appreciated

coolnames.

[djpil]

Reminds me of the joke about the person who lost his car keys one night and was looking for them under the street light because the light was better there - but the keys were in the dark on the other side of the road.
(well, it was funny when some-one told it to me anyway)

ComLaw Legislative Instrument Compilations - Attachment - Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/legislation/legislativeinstrumentcompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/BE55F402F786F26DCA25763F007F9EE2)

[allthecoolnamesarego]

thanks - maybe I should have used a torch!:}

Cheers

[OZBUSDRIVER]

155 Acrobatic flight (http://www.comlaw.gov.au/comlaw/legislation/legislativeinstrumentcompilation1.nsf/0/931F3B4923BCDD4CCA25763F007F9B0F/$file/CivilAviation1988Vol3.pdf) (go to page 49)
(1) A pilot in command of an aircraft must not do any of the
following:
Federal Register of Legislative Instruments F2009C00991
Conditions of flight Part 11
Flight rules Division 2
Regulation 155
Civil Aviation Regulations 1988 49
(a) fly the aircraft in acrobatic flight at night;
(b) fly the aircraft in acrobatic flight that is not in V.M.C.;
(c) fly the aircraft in a particular kind of acrobatic flight if the
certificate of airworthiness, or the flight manual, for the
aircraft does not specify that the aircraft may perform that
kind of acrobatic flight.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(2) For the purposes of subregulation (1), straight and steady stalls
or turns in which the angle of bank does not exceed 60 degrees
shall be deemed not to be acrobatic flight.
(3) A person must not engage in acrobatic flight in an aircraft:
(a) at a height lower than 3,000 feet above the highest point of
the terrain, or any obstacle thereon, within a radius of
600 metres of a line extending vertically below the
aircraft; or
(b) over a city, town, populous area, regatta, race meeting or
meeting for public games or sports.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
(4) Before engaging in acrobatic flight, the pilot of an aircraft shall
take such action as is necessary to ensure that:
(a) any loose articles are removed from the aircraft or made
secure in the aircraft;
(b) all locker and compartment doors of the aircraft are
fastened;
(c) the safety harness or seat belt of any vacant seat is made
secure so as to avoid the fouling of the controls of the
aircraft;
(d) the dual controls (if any) of the aircraft are removed from
the aircraft or rendered inoperative, unless the control
seats are occupied in accordance with regulation 226 or
the dual control seat is vacant; and
(e) every person in the aircraft is secured with correctly
adjusted safety harness or seat belt.
Penalty: 25 penalty units.
Federal Register of Legislative Instruments F2009C00991
Part 11 Conditions of flight
Division 2 Flight rules
Regulation 156
50 Civil Aviation Regulations 1988
(5) An offence against subregulation (1), (3) or (4) is an offence of
strict liability.
Note For strict liability, see section 6.1 of the Criminal Code.
(6) It is a defence to a prosecution under paragraph (3) (a) if
CASA gave written permission for the acrobatic flight at that
height.
(7) It is a defence to a prosecution under paragraph (3) (b) if
CASA gave written permission for the acrobatic flight over
that place.
Note A defendant bears an evidential burden in relation to the matters in
subregulations (6) and (7) (see subsection 13.3 (3) of the Criminal Code)

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Just trying to find the regs regarding PAX on LL aero's flights.

It appears that provided the pilot is LLAeros endorsed, they can carry PAX on LL Aerobatic flights.

Agree??

Ta.

[punjab pilot]

NO COOLNANES I DISAGREE. When I did my low level waiver (500 ft) many moons ago the test officer was emphatic ,no pax ! the exceptions were carriage of a test officer or a person to do a peer review who also had to hold a low level aerobatic waiver. As they say check the fine print in the CARs and the CAAPs.

[djpil]

The answer to that question is in the conditions per the individual person's letter of approval. If you go to the back of the CAAP you'll find the conditions currently specified. Depending on when and where he/she got the letter it may be different.
Typical conditions throughout would be no pax during displays and not below 1500 ft regardless.
(Instructors with low level approvals have different limitations with students, as distinct from passengers but that is another story.)

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Funny, it doesn't seem low when you actually get to do it.

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Thanks for the replies.

My conditions say that "Passengers shall not be carried during any aerobatic demonstration, display or competition"

I can understand that, but it doesn't say I can't take them for LL Aeros flights, it appears I can only NOT take them "during any aerobatic demonstration, display or competition"

CAR 155 didn't really help...

[djpil]

One of the current standard conditions on page 61 of the CAAP is:
Passengers must not be carried during manoeuvres below 1500', nor during any aerobatic demonstration, display or competition.

[allthecoolnamesarego]

Hi djpil,

Thanks for the reference.

Coolnames

[VH-XXX]

So that means 3 passengers low level in a Yak 18 isn't legal?

[Philthy]

Since when do CAAPs carry the force of regulation?

[bentleg]

Since when do CAAPs carry the force of regulation?


They don't. However if you bent the 'plane when ignoring a CAAP recommendation, things might get interesting with insurers and others. ie - Have some good reasons ready.