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Roxy_Chick_1989
20th Apr 2010, 07:53
I have 2 weeks for my uni break (non aviation related), and want to get the CLWA exam knocked off. I have been flipping through my ATC textbook but most of the content seems to be items straight from the AIP, CAO, CAR etc. (which are allowed in the exam)

So if the exam isnt a game of remembering numerous air law do's and dont's what exactly do i need to know? If someone who has completed this exam in the past could offer any tips for an intensive study regime, that would be great!

Cheers,

Rox.

Jazzy78910
20th Apr 2010, 08:06
I am also about to do this exam and my take on things are as follows:

Being that the exam is longer (2 hours, I believe) than say MET or Aerodynamics and requires an 80% pass mark, I feel the most important thing will be the ability to quickly find relevant information in the CAOs, CARs, AIP etc and then be able to apply the written rules accurately to the question at hand.

My idea of a successful result is having a good all round knowledge of the rules that affect my type of flying, but also knowing the CAO, CARs etc well enough to be able to flip one open to the relevant page and check details quickly. Test time will be burned trying to find that elusive reference / rule otherwise...

I generally read the (B.Tait) text and make notes whilst completing the progress questions along the way. Revise the entire text again, making further notes and summaries of areas where my knowledge is still patchy. Then complete the practice exam/s and making further notes on any questions I got wrong or weren't 100% sure of.

**Edit: When reading your text book, if you see a reference to a CAO etc, go and find it! Get the practice and feel for using and finding references quickly as this will help come exam day **

Good luck!

Mail-man
20th Apr 2010, 08:32
Tag the **** out of it and book to do it before 3rd May.:ok:

j3pipercub
20th Apr 2010, 09:03
As mailman said, you have until 3rd of May until the rules change and it will make the exam considerably harder in my opinion. If you can do it before that deadline, you will be saving yourself endless grief.

Apart from that, make sure you read the questions VERY carefully, it is an exam of trcky wording, and you will fail it quickly if you are complacent.

j3

PLovett
20th Apr 2010, 09:32
I did it by working the 4 exams in the AFT notebook over and over again. When I got a question wrong I would look up the appropriate reference and write out the answer completely.

By the time I did the exam I had a feel for the relevant legislation texts and where to find things reasonably quickly. In many ways the heavily tagged texts were a hinderance as they kept getting in the way when turning the pages quickly.

The Green Goblin
20th Apr 2010, 09:50
Most of the airlaw revolved around flight and duty type questions, M/Rs commercial/rpt operations dropping of articles, carriage of animals instruments required etc

I took a week to study for CPL airlaw and less for ATPL airlaw (most of the study time for ATPL airlaw was tagging my documents). You should have a good grounding of the regs before you attempt it and be able to quickly reference something.

As J3 alluded to, the devil is in the detail with the questions. Read them very carefully especially with flight and duty as a different word here or there can mean a whole different ball game.

Jay Bo
20th Apr 2010, 09:59
As what the Green Goblin said make sure you read the question but not only that, make sure you understand the question.
I did my airlaw last week and do you believe i got the question about 'rights of way' wrong.
Sure you give way to the aircraft that you have on your right but that all depends on how Casa actually worded the question in the exam.

Jazzy78910
20th Apr 2010, 10:48
and book to do it before 3rd May.http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif

you have until 3rd of May until the rules change and it will make the exam considerably harder in my opinion.how so?

Edit: Just found this thread:
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-aviation-questions/412671-casa-exams-tagging-rules-changed.html
I guess this is the answer, or is there more to the comments above?

j3pipercub
20th Apr 2010, 11:17
Because you will be allowed little or no tagging.

Jazzy78910
20th Apr 2010, 11:31
I guess I'll have to set up a colour coded highlighter system, and wear my sunnies to the exam because of the vivid rainbow emanating from my CAO :E

training wheels
20th Apr 2010, 11:47
If someone who has completed this exam in the past could offer any tips for an intensive study regime, that would be great!

Do as many practice exams as you can. That way, you'll familiarise yourself with the relevant sections of the CAO's, AIP's etc. And you'll also get a feel for the type of questions they're most likely to ask.

privateer01
20th Apr 2010, 16:50
Seem to remember highlighters or other markings on the pages not being allowed.

rmcdonal
20th Apr 2010, 22:34
After doing the AFT practice exams I found I had seen most of the questions, so when i went into the exams I just knew the answers, went through and answered them from memory and double checked the ones I was a little suss about.
(Note: it doesn't matter how many times I look up the carriage of life jackets/radts etc, i still can't answer that question correctly, it is VERY poorly written an all of the answers are correct) :ugh:

Tinstaafl
21st Apr 2010, 01:25
At PPL, CPL & ATPL levels I just read & re-read the regs, orders, AIP & ERS/ERSA with the published syllabus next to me. Shock....horror but back then the law exams were in two parts with open & closed book sections and a pass required in both sections. *NO* tagging, marking or highlighting was allowed.

None of the air law exams are that hard. Read. And re-read. Then do it again. CASA's goal is for you to be thoroughly familiar the the rules and where they're located.

AussieNick
21st Apr 2010, 02:23
with the books, cyber exams, AIP, CAO, CAR, ERSA and my good friend Bundy Rum.

I tagged the hell outta the books while i was studying, but found that by the time the exam came round i'd been through them so many damn times that I knew where i needed to go to fin the answers, only rarely using the tabs.

The exam throws you some serious curve balls that you'd never come across before. knowing how to decypher the question and what reference to look in is a big help

Hiflow
21st Apr 2010, 09:59
found this, ATPL Air Law Practice Qs - Theory - OzAv (http://forum.ozav.org/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=38)
seems pretty spot on from what i have heard

AussieNick
23rd Apr 2010, 01:22
from memory the first 2 questions I had were F&D

girl with a stick
23rd Apr 2010, 10:05
My biggest problem was carrying the 15kgs of regs up the stairs...

Good luck!

Paul Alfred
23rd Apr 2010, 11:42
Thats where the Coles Bags come in handy :ok:

girl with a stick
23rd Apr 2010, 13:25
Suitcase, actually!

Biggles78
23rd Apr 2010, 19:53
Apart from that, make sure you read the questions VERY carefully, it is an exam of tricky wording, and you will fail it quickly if you are complacent.
For the last 30 years and more, it has been the same. It is supposed to be a Law exam and NOT an English comprehension test. :ugh: Trying to interpret some of the questions used to cause me to pull my hair out (maybe the reason I now have a solar panel instead of the usual fur like substance):{

studentPILOT1
16th May 2010, 10:57
yes thats right i agree with you because english language is always tricky

j3pipercub
16th May 2010, 12:24
Oh sweet baby Jesus, its another one!

studentPILOT1
16th May 2010, 13:13
good job thanks to you , i am going to sit my airlow exam maybe in 6 moujths

Col. Flagg
20th May 2010, 06:47
I am not sure if this has been answered yet, but I used the Bob Tait book and self studied Air Law (I was in a course for the majority of the others). The book was fantastic, even a few of the CASA questions on Crew / Duty times I had in the exam were right out of Bob's book. Nice and handy!!

Cougar
21st May 2010, 01:42
Anyone done ATPL Air Law without tags yet? Is it possible in the time permitted?? :eek:

Paul Alfred
21st May 2010, 04:48
I got through it the week before the tag law changed....and I tagged the hell out of my docs but to be honest, I hardly had to use the tags. I relied on them too much the first time I attempted it and this stuffed my time management up...second time round I worked a lot harder on my text and practice exam questions so that when I did the exam, I answered everything I could off the top of my head. Then I used the time efficiently after that to reference my answers I wasn't 100% sure on and still there was time to cross check the ones I were certain were right. It worked a treat :ok:

FRQ Charlie Bravo
21st May 2010, 14:08
second time round I worked a lot harder on my text and practice exam questions so that when I did the exam

Wait a minute. Are you suggesting hard work might pay off. Damn, back to the books I guess. Well done,

FRQ CB

Sierra-Kilo
26th May 2010, 09:18
Question. Are we allowed our own/purchased indexes for use in the ATPL Airlaw exam? I know i read something about it somewhere.........

Jazzy78910
26th May 2010, 22:35
Just sat the exam on Tuesday and found it a lot easier than I'd imagined it to be. It was 40 one-mark questions, a lot of which were straight from the Bob Tait Study Text.

As a final review before sitting the exam, I went through Bob's 7 practice exams (contained in the text book) and made sure that I knew where to find the relevant reference straight off the top of my head, eg: Duty time question? CAO 48. Passenger briefings? CAO 20.16. Rights of way? CAR 161.

I highlighted all the references from Bob's text in the contents pages of the AIP, CAO and CAR. Tags are over-rated, I scored more than 95%

** interesting side-note - guys have been taking separately printed contents pages for the CAO and CAR into the exam (which I believe is permissible). They refer to the contents without having to find them hidden deep in the Law books themselves **

TSIO540
26th May 2010, 23:14
Learn you contents pages and become intimate with your indices!!! :}

Jay Bo
21st Nov 2015, 06:00
Just to update this thread....
30 questions
and from memory
2 questions on 2004 flight and duty times
2 questions on 2013 flight and duty times
Noise abatement proceducre...careful as the question is based on UTC and noise abatement is in LMT
3 maintenance questions
2 instrument recency
2 questions fm CAR
5 questions from 20:18
refuelling and radar
oxygen
min pilot qualifications to fly after endo
few instrument rating type questions

Also if you happen to use Jepps (and therefore no access to ERSA) have a quick brush up on abbreviated codes such as Hj HN as there was a question based on a restricted area with a few codes that are not available in the jepps such as W WE which can be worked out however if every question counts you want to make sure you can at least answer the question even if you dont have the info available