Three injured in chopper crash * Jason Tin * From: The Courier-Mail * A

[meggo]

Any news on this?

[Nigel Osborn]

All I know so far is it hit hard at Archerfield, some damage & 3 with minor injuries taken to hospital.

[twisties]

Reported on news.com.au

Chopper crashes at Archerfield airport

From: AAP April 11, 2010 3:43PM

THREE people have escaped a helicopter crash with minor injuries.

The chopper crashed at Archerfield airport in Brisbane's southside around midday (AEST) today.

A Department of Community Safety spokeswoman said it was unclear whether the chopper was taking off or landing when it hit the ground hard.

The crash sparked a small fire which fire crews extinguished immediately, she said.

The pilot and two passengers were taken to hospital with minor injuries.

Aviation authorities will be investigating the cause of the crash.

[Euro Driver]

This brings up a very important topic of piston engine safety vs turbine in H.

Not sure what the "true" cause was but power setting (rpm) will be a factor guaranteed.

[TBM-Legend]

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good to see the crew/pax get out OK. Did not appear to be much damage just rolled onto its side.

however, there was a gross overreaction on part of controllers who closed the airfield for more that an hour. The R44 went over near the helipad nowhere near the active runways. A friend was held airborne for more than an hour 25nm south without any updates or explanation.

The amount of police/fire trucks/ ambulances/TV choppers/vTV vehicles made it look like a scene from "Cops" on TV.

You'd have sworn a 747 went over!

[Flying Binghi]

however, there was a gross overreaction on part of controllers who closed the airfield for more that an hour. The R44 went over near the helipad nowhere near the active runways. A friend was held airborne for more than an hour 25nm south without any updates or explanation.


Go easy on them TBM-Legend, i think the reason is more because of your last comment -

The amount of police/fire trucks/ ambulances/TV choppers/vTV vehicles made it look like a scene from "Cops" on TV

There has been problems before at an Archerfield prang when a numpty TV chopper flew thru an active circut when it was supposed to be 500 foot higher. Mid air collision was just avioded.



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[TBM-Legend]

all true, but the vehicles and the bingled chopper were nowhere near 10/28L or R ........

It does not make it safer leaving aircraft flying around when there is no need to. As for the TV choppers, they have to operate as directed by ATC. The news doesn't matter really...

[Flying Binghi]

As for the TV choppers, they have to operate as directed by ATC

Does'nt seem to be the case in the past.



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[Jabawocky]

Tell them to remain OCTA :}

[Peter Fanelli]

It does not make it safer leaving aircraft flying around when there is no need to. As for the TV choppers, they have to operate as directed by ATC. The news doesn't matter really...


You're so funny.
:hmm:

[Josh Cox]

The local news in Cairns said it was this pilots second crash within 12 months, is this true ?, he/she is either really lucky or really bad ?.:}

Glad everyone is OK.

[TBM-Legend]

he wrote off his Long Ranger in NT in a hover taxy accident. This was a hover accident! switching frequencies in the hover...:ouch:

PS: I note that BK tower didn't close the whole airport today after the bingle but rather the runway...


Bring back George L. to AF!

[Dangly Bits]

Has George left?

[megle2]

Where has GL gone??

[Marquis100]

GL is still there thank goodness! His talents will be needed when Class D comes on line.

The normal closure for an aerodrome emergency is normally 30-40 mins. I have been advised in this particular case, because it was the weekend, it took about 40 mins for an AAC representative to get out to the airport. There was an abnormal number of emergency vehicles attending by then. It appears that they were using the turnout as an exercise (probably a good idea as there is a large service staff turnover and many have no airport familiarisation). There was rotor blade debris thrown a long distance and until the AAC could inspect 10L and 04R those runways couldnt be used. The closure is also due to the high chance of collision between taxying aircraft and random emergency traffic travelling from the boom gate to the accident site. These vehicles have to be contained or escorted (normally by the AAC) and is approved by the police command post. For the above reasons, this took longer than normal to achieve, resulting in a greater outage than normal. Brisbane Radar should should have advised inbound aircraft the reason for the holding.

[Zoomy]

Holding vs YRED/YKRY/YTWB/YLIS/YBGC. Why waste fuel, go to the nearest airport and hava a cuppa, or don't they teach diversions anymore.:ok:

[Peenuts]

Dear Mr No Idea,

Before you start raging on about the outdated argument of Piston V's Turbine (which is NOT a facor in this crash) you should find out a few more facts about the pilot....

Yes he rolled up a top longi but not before 3 near misses in the week leading up to it. Poor piloting, wind judgment and 2 left feet are the cause..... I'm sure they will find more than enough power in that little 44.

Cheers

[ozbiggles]

Ah yes, the good old gutless tactic of a 'first' post from a probby slagging of at someone.
Who are you really? The mods probably know.
In the chopper were you?

[TBM-Legend]

I wasn't in the chopper but I just had dinner with the guy who was...

[ozbiggles]

TBM are you saying your peenuts?

[Peenuts]

Sorry Mr Ozbiggles but yes I am a probby and my intention was not to slag off at the pilot which, now we are on the subject and to give me a little cred, no I was not in the aircraft but I have first had experience in ducking for cover thanks to the pilot concerned (along with 12 other helicopter crews and a terrified fuel bowser no less than 3 times:eek:)

but it was to hit the stupid argument on the head that Mr euro bought up about Piston V's Turbine. Clearly he has no idea - or experience.... and maybe it was very little of me to get my back up at such stupidity when all of you were man enough to leave it alone.

Probby out

[TBM-Legend]

i have no idea who peenuts is...

[Trojan1981]

"Helo was about to touch down when it suddenly lost power" Reported on Brisbane News. About 85% humidity-Carb Heat?:confused:

[ROTOR BLAST]

The helicopter was a R44 Raven II which has the IO-540 engine - so therefore no carb icing.

Perfectly serviceable helicopter unnecessarily crashed by incompetent pilot.

[Flying Binghi]

Reading the last few efforts it looks like this thread has decended to the fantasy posting stage....:hmm:






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[twisties]

The Rotorheads forum has more information and a photo of a crashed R44.

R44 down at Archerfield (http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/411795-r44-down-archerfield.html)

[Senior Pilot]

Not sure what the "true" cause was but power setting (rpm) will be a factor guaranteed.

I refrained from biting when this bait was originally dangled, but I have to say (in the words of James May): complete and utter cock :rolleyes:

[Flying Binghi]

I refrained from biting when this bait was originally dangled

Yeah, nothing like throwing a furphy in to spure the thread along, eh.....:hmm:




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[deeper]

here are the end products of said pilots flying adventures to date.

http://bluetonguehelicopters.com.au/pprune/mill.JPG

http://www.bluetonguehelicopters.com.au/pprune/mill2.jpg

both accidents occurred while taxiing and both machines are write offs.

during initial training a few years ago this fellow was advised not to fly helicopters, rumour has it that he should give up fast cars as well after he wrote off a ferrari f430 on the track.

[Flying Binghi]

during initial training a few years ago this fellow was advised not to fly helicopters, rumour has it that he should give up fast cars as well after he wrote off a ferrari f430 on the track.

....Hmmm, now we find out the real problem - Envy....:hmm:








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[deeper]

Flying Bungee,

By your posts you seem to have a close relationship with the pilot. Perhaps you could let us all know what really happened.

I am certainly not envious of some one who has written off over $1.5 million
in helicopters in 9 months, pushing up insurance premiums for other owners and operators.

Just because you have the financial ability to buy expensive equipment does not automatically give you the physical ability to operate them competently.