ASIC's

[inver TED]

A little while ago I got my last exam finished for the ATPL, downloaded the application from, checked all the documents twice, filled in every box on the form and sent it off to CASA.

I hadn't heard anything for a while and noticed that they had taken the $180 from my credit card, so I gave them a ring. I was told the aplication was incomplete because I haven't had a security check. :eek: they told me I had to fill out a form and apply for an security check or an ASIC. I politely told them that I have held an ASIC for a few years now, but appartenly they dont have a record of it. :ugh:

It gives me a nice big warm fuzzy to know that aviation is a much safer place now that CASA have insisted on everyone have this little red plastic card to prove they are not a terrorist, but dont actually keep a list of who they gave the cards to. :D

TED

[jbr76]

I hadn't heard anything for a while and noticed that they had taken the $180 from my credit card, so I gave them a ring. I was told the aplication was incomplete because I haven't had a security check. they told me I had to fill out a form and apply for an security check or an ASIC. I politely told them that I have held an ASIC for a few years now, but appartenly they dont have a record of it.


Who are they?

We only have two major ASIC issuing bodies here in OZ. One being CASA and the other being Aviation ID Australia.

Did you send your application off via registered mail? You would have notification and a record of your application being received. Easy to track down then.

You need to fill the gaps in your story for others to be able to offer some help perhaps?

[Ted D Bear]

I think the other Ted is saying that he has an ASIC, but CASA didn't have any record of it - or at least couldn't match that record with his ATPL application form.

Ted

[Ultralights]

if they billed you for the ASIC, then obviously they received the paperwork,

my first and only ASIC took 18 months to arrive, and i still had to pay for the initial 12 months i never had it.. never bothered to renew it. but now since some journo found the pin code to the gate at dubbo airport, i might need to renew it now there will be a security "crackdown" :ugh:

[inver TED]

Yes the other Ted has hit the nail... I have an ASIC, but CASA dont have a record of it, and therefore wouldn't process my ATPL app...

How can they not have a record of who they have issued them to..

Oh well...

[PyroTek]

This is a stupid system, I got my PPL and waited for a while before I got my license, they said "You need to apply for an ASIC" -I already had an Aviation ID Australia one, thus I needed a JP(Qual) certified copy faxed off to them - only to be rejected because it was "hard to read" - Then had to invest a few hours in finding a working scanner in order to email the :mad:'s the :mad:ing ASIC. This is the 21st Century, is it not? Can they not look in a database and find who and who does not have a valid, current ASIC - by ARN?:confused: :uhoh:

Rant over,
Time for Alcohol!

[chainsaw]

PyroTek,

I'm really confused by your statement:

they said "You need to apply for an ASIC"

Who said you needed to apply for an ASIC? :confused:

The CASA website contains the following indformation about ASICs and AVIDs:

Civil Aviation Safety Authority - Your ASIC questions answered (http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90103#id3285750672)

What are the security requirements? You need a valid ASIC if you require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has Regular Public Transport (RPT) operations. This is a requirement of the Aviation Security Regulations 2005.

If you want to use your CASA issued flight crew licence and you do not require frequent access to a secure area of a security controlled airport that has RPT operations, you must apply for a background security check and you will be issued with an AVID provided your checks are successful. This does not apply if you are under 18

I think it's up to the individual to decide whether they need an ASIC or an AVID, and the fact that you already had an Aviation ID Australia one (Free plug: Great place to deal with for ASIC's :ok:) should have probably resulted in a ':mad: OFF, p.s rude letter follows' response Pyro to the 'they' who told you what you obviously DIDN'T need, because you already bloody HAD it! :ugh: :ugh: :ugh: :ugh:

The whole sytem's clearly ROOTED! :ugh: Conclusion? Rudd and Co have got to GO! ;)

What Pyro said:

Rant over - Time for Alcohol! :8

[PyroTek]

The nice people at CASA told me I needed to apply for one.

[chainsaw]

The nice people at CASA told me I needed to apply for one.

:eek:

Time for your medication Pyro, because you've CLEARLY fallen for the old 'We're from the government, we're here to help you'' line of sh1t.

I'm really concerned. Admit it, Pyro, you also believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy, don't you? :}

[Grogmonster]

As long as he believes there is no bad beer he is OK !!!!!

Groggy

[YPJT]

Oh my fcukng god!!! I don't believe CASA are still pulling this sh!t!

Inver Ted,
Was your original ASIC issued by CASA? If not, did you send a copy of your ASIC with your ATPL paperwork?

I know of them delaying the issue of pilot licences time and time again because they didn't get an ASIC application with all the other documentation. This despite the fact that a certified copy of the holder's ASIC was included with everything else.

If they have your name, DOB and ASIC details, they can go to the secure AUSCHECK site and check whether or not the applicant holds a current ASIC. If your current ASIC was issued by CASA, ie it has the nice little coat of arms and CASA's name at the bottom, then it was sheer laziness on their part not to check.

John Mac - your staff in CLARC are incompetent, stupid and constantly screw the ASIC process for everyone. I know for a fact, they are a laughing stock within the OTS. Why they haven't had their issuing body status revoked before now is totally beyond me.

CLARC are the same people who have advised foreign pilots that they do not need an ASIC to fly in Australia. Well maybe not to fly an aircraft but if you want to have unescorted access to a security controlled airport you do. Talk about only giving half the story:ugh: Nice one you tools:mad:

[phew - I feel better now]

We only have two major ASIC issuing bodies here in OZ. One being CASA and the other being Aviation ID Australia
Well not exactly, they are just the ones that are best known. There is also Geraldton based company processing them as well. Also all security controlled airports are issuing bodies but many will only issue you one if you are based at their airport.

Cynical Pilot,
If you are paying $196 now you may have gotten off cheaply. I know for a fact that just the security check alone is going to rise from $88 up to $98 - $100 in the near future which will put the price of an ASIC for a lot of people around the $200 mark.:{

[RNQ]

What exactly does the security assessment involve, what records to they bring up?driving records, mental health records? i dont like paying 196 for something or someone to go through personal records of mine. does anyone know?

[notmyC150v2]

What exactly does the security assessment involve, what records to they bring up?driving records, mental health records? i dont like paying 196 for something or someone to go through personal records of mine. does anyone know?

Well they look up your name on Facebook and if you don't have a beard you get your ASIC. The time delay is because there are so many people in the world with the same name and they have to count up all those with and without beards. The majority decides the matter.

For girls it comes down to whether you wear a burqua and niquab.

All clear now??? :E

[mcgrath50]

Do you want to fly at security controlled airports?

Yes? get the ASIC :ok:

[longrass]

Just call the security officer and ask for an escort... A few thousand pissed off security guards and airport managers will cause things to change

[Pinky the pilot]

Just call the security officer and ask for an escort... A few thousand pissed off security guards and airport managers will cause things to change

Now there`s a thought. Well done longrass. :ok: Take a six pack out of petty cash!:E

[Jabawocky]

Longrass....Are you MAD???? ( I say that in a nice way :ok:)

All that will do is encourage them to complain they are over worked, require more pay and 4 times the number of them:eek:.

DO NOT DO THAT.

Some times the smart ideas bite you on the ass!

J:ok:

[KittyKatKaper]

Just call the security officer and ask for an escort... A few thousand pissed off security guards and airport managers will cause things to changeThat is brilliant !. More work for the 'security' guards will lead to more guards being required, which = more expense, which means the airport managers will start bleating for money from the feds, which might eventually make the brain-dead pollies finally realise that a big bucketload of money has and is being wasted.

If that is the system that some idiotic pollies and PS's have created, then they should realise that their decisions can have unexpected consequences.

[YPJT]

Just call the security officer and ask for an escort... A few thousand pissed off security guards and airport managers will cause things to change Very good point indeed. Many have been fooled into the fact that you MUST have an ASIC to operate at a security controlled airport. This is not entirely correct as you need an ASIC only to be granted unescorted access.

Issuing VICs and escorting people is indeed a time consuming pain in the backside and the OTS conveniently puts the onus on access control back onto aerodrome operators. Bottom line, they couldn't give a monkey's whether or not someone has an ASIC provided the relevant provisions of the Act and Regs are complied with.

Bucking the system though could be a double edged sword in that if you keep asking for escorts to or from your aircraft, you might find that your access will be dictated to the availability and/or convenience of the airport staff. Deciding that you will go to your aircraft without an ASIC or escort then leaves you liable to prosecution. Not that I have heard of non compliance (tresspass) ever being dealt with through the courts. Having an ASIC just makes everyone's life a lot easier, although at a substantial cost.:mad:

[djpil]

I asked the Operations Manager at Essendon airport - extracts from the correspondence:

"A person has an operational need to hold an ASIC if they have a requirement for frequent access to all or part of a secure area of an airport where persons are required to display an ASIC, and for the operation of the airport or an aircraft."
I don't require frequent access so I don't have an operational need to hold an ASIC which is why I have not got one.
"Visitors who need to access the airside area or any landside security zone of the airport need to wear a visitor identification card (VIC) and they must be supervised by a person displaying a valid ASIC until they leave that area or zone."
If my student has an ASIC then I may have access if I wear a visitor identification card as above and be supervised by my student. So, do you issue VICs to people in my situation?

From your website I see that an ASIC is required for all airside areas.
Does that mean I cannot land there and depart immediately (i.e. engine running at all times and without getting out of my aircraft) ?

I have checked this with the Office of Transport Security for you.
The moment the aircraft touches the ground pilot(s) (including a student pilot) require an ASIC.
An airport can only legally issue VIC’s landside so you can’t arrive in an aircraft and ask for a VIC.

Altogether not very useful.

Meanwhile, I've heard a rumour that Moorabbin will soon require ASICs airside anywhere.

[longrass]

Well they can get f@cked if they think I'm going to pay money to prove my innocence...

The whole ASIC system, with provisions under the relevant acts and regulations would crumble under scrutiny in the High Court... What amazes me is that the sheeple, being all Australians are to stupid to realize that you are paying for the privelage of proving your a law abiding citizen.

Has no one read the constitution or the common law principle of the Australian judicial system???

What are the courts going to do? In the event you were found airside without said ASIC? That's like a copper fining you for not carrying a criminal history check when you drive your car home... You might be a criminal, or terrorist and use your vehicle to hurt someone...

Stuff that, I'll see them in court!

Edit: to add:

If all of the pilots in Australia had have collectively refused to "PAY" for an ASIC, the whole idea would have been scrapped within days, but your all to stupid to stand up and see that the government is slowly removing your rights and licensing and regulating every single piece of your life...

[Staticport]

I had a very similar issue with my renewal. The security company had no record of my previous asic because CASA didn't send them some information. Then they charged me $16 to fix it (plus the $180 of course) :ugh:

[Joker 10]

Longrass I am with you, the whole idea is beyond contempt, that a returned serviceman is even asked to do the ASIC checks is beyond the pale.