Cholmondeley Pageant of Power 2010

[sweatshop]

I need to avoid the last minute 'box of frogs' we had in 2009 when the insurers for the Event asked for indemnities etc from every pilot with 7 days to go. Amazingly, despite the timing, 74 pilots out of 86 registered to attend were able to comply.

Does anyone have the definitive suggestion for 'best practice' that I can put to the insurer (bear in mind they are not aviation specialists). Would it be a straightforward indemnity, a copy of insurance with certain level of cover? All advice gratefully received.
On the news side the Black Cats, BBMF spitfire, Falcons, Red Baron dogfight etc etc have all confirmed. Just need the weather..

[John R81]

Sweatshop

One thing the organisers of the whole event could do is to make more of the helis that do turn up.

WSM has the crowd getting a closer look at the machines. The field used last year was big enough to rope-off 5m of walkway for the crowd to use. And a temporary bridge over the track to facilitate them "visiting" (and us getting to / from machines) would help.

A great day last year (though weather was awful!)

John

[sweatshop]

I'm in full agreement John. After the mudbath in the car clubs area last year the Event director has moved the car clubs into last year's heli park (and there will be a bridge over the track). The helipark this year has moved back to where we had it in the first year (adjacent to the castle, the sponsors padock and the shedding where all the cars wait to race). Last year the Challenger II and other Heavy Metal turned this into a churned bog -not ideal when it is right in front of the castle. So the helis have regained their rightful place! This means we are on the inside of the track -so no 15 minute delays to get over the track between race classes. It also means spectators will be able to get much closer to the aircraft. Another thing -there will be a 'county loo' cabin with M&F facilities next to the ATC cabin! After the fourth pilot had asked for 'facilities' before departure last year I got the message.

[JTobias]

John

Firstly I'd discuss it with the insurer and see what they're after and secondly why not just ask for copies of insurance certificates from every heli pilot that registers.

Joel :ok:

[sweatshop]

Thanks Joel -I don't wish for the broker to look at Silverstone or Aintree and apply the same principles (as happened last year). If the norm for events such as WSM and GFofS is for copies of insurance docs then that will be easily sufficient for us. Guess I should give the organisers of Goodwood and Weston a call -perhaps also a call to Haywards (although they're not the insurers of the Estate).----John

[John R81]

Is there a date yet so we can lock our diaries?

[sweatshop]

It's the 17th and 18th of July with the evening fireworks concert on the Saturday (Manchester Camerata orchestra and a military band -Royal Artillery doing the 1812). Hope you can make it again---John

[John R81]

Aiming to fly the family in again. "Extended family" lives local(ish) and drives down for a get-together.

[206 jock]

I'm glad the helipad has moved back to the site of the first year, it was much better there. Having had a great weekend there in year 1, I was a little disappointed with the whole experience last year.

Any chance of being treated like an 'entrant' this year, ie free nosebag, access to the drivers tent etc (as in year 1?). The outside catering is a little rough on site. If you don't ask.....

If you want any VIPS bringing up from north of London, let me know (but not Katie Price...)

[John R81]

Definately interested in a tour!

[sweatshop]

...announcement due soon of the main airside sponsor and what will be available. However what is certain is that Air Covers (Coptercovers) are once again doing the organising and in place of an organising fee they ask that no landing fees are charged and all pax and pilot receive free entry passes!
John

[toptobottom]

well done John - already in my dairy!!

Glad to hear helos are back where they should be - just hope the weather is better this time around...

Looking forward.
TTB

PS - we should try and organise a meet for the Prooners too; last year was pathetic!!

[sweatshop]

Now that's a good idea! I'll try to put a map of the site (as planned for 2010) on to the aircovers website so you can make a plan. Mobile phone reception is poor on site -although I think the Estate is trying to find a temporary mast for the weekend. Pilot registrations are also now open for CPOP 2010 (on the aircovers website).
I'm thinking of trying to encourage pilots to arrive before 10.30am and to depart after 1600hrs -any thoughts on this? It will make it easier for the Displays coordination -instead of trying to fit them all into the lunch hour I'd like to have one every 45 minutes between 1030 and 1545.---John

[toptobottom]

John - I'll be flying from Kent to Cornwall to Cheshire that morning , so may struggle to get there by 10:30, but I imagine it will be fine for most peeps.

I suggest an RV where we'll be easily recognised - apparently last year, John R81 (whom I followed all the way up) and I were standing 10 feet apart for 20 mins and didn't realise it!! Last year we had Joel (and his amazing departure :eek:), rotormaniac, 206 jock and whirlybird interested in hooking up with a bacon butty. Any other takers? If so, PM me with your contact details and I'll co-ordinate :ok:

PS John's website registration is here (http://www.coptercovers.com/navigation/pageant.php)

[sweatshop]

Great to know you'll be making such a long schlep Toptobottom. With that suggestion I'll make sure ATC knows of anyone doing a longhaul. It might mean you have to hang around for 5 minutes if a display is underway but you'll have the frequency and all should be smooth----John

[John R81]

Signed up!

[Nearly There]

Leave it with me John, re the tour (nose) around the castle...have to let you know nearer the time, will keep you posted :ok:

[toptobottom]

Nearly There - I'd defo be up for a tour too if there's a chance?!
TTB

[John R81]

Are we about time for instructions?

John

[Satcop]

Having been asked to provide an ATS at this event it would be nice if pilots instructions, airfield manual and air traffic procedures were available. However nothing appears to be forthcoming.:ugh:

Applications for a RA(T) and a frequency have been made and that's about it.

Time is running out.

[John R81]

Any news? my wife said someone called to speak to me about this but I am stuck on a conference call doing my day job!!!!

More and more it gets in the way! If I didn't keep spending the money.....

[John R81]

Registration open at Helicopter Covers, Air Covers manufacture the world's finest helicopter covers and the No.1 choice of helicopter professionals... (http://www.aircovers.com/)

Mine is done. Will be there Saturday flying G-FEDA

[toptobottom]

Mine too. Are we going to try and meet in "Prooner's corner" this year?!

TTB

[bugdevheli]

Asssuming the venue is north of the midlands. Anyone wanting a break, cup of tea, pee etc,. no charges. pm me fo,r co ordinates.My pleasure Bug.

[sweatshop]

Update on fly-in to CPOP. Paperwork should be out v soon to all those registered, it will include the standard indemnity form that everyone needs to sign and forward to their insurer. The site looked great at the triathlon over the weekend -if the weather is anything like it has been this past week then we're in for a treat. Big 'last night of the proms' style concert on the staurday night with fireworks if anyone fancies packing a tent!-----John

[John R81]

1 week to go
Indemnity form completed
Will there be joining instructions soon?

Thanks

John

[toptobottom]

I'm out of the country from tomorrow afternoon (Monday) until late on Friday 16th and with limited email access, so some early info would be useful!

Is anyone interested in meeting up this year - see posts #14 and #23. Any sign of that map John?
TTB
:ok:

[Satcop]

The organisers have been given the pilot's instructions and should be emailing them to those who have obtained PPR.

If you hear anything PM me and I'll try and sort it.

[kevin_mayes]

Sent my form in.....Will there be joining instructions soon?
Kev.

[sweatshop]

All paperwork should be with everyone this afternoon (anyone who's indemnity forms have arrived) and they'll be emailed out to anyone else as soon as the indemnity arrives.
The FATO has been mown, the H marked out ...and the pageant pub is expecting Ppruners . The display sequence is:
1130 1145 Black Cats (Lynx Mk8) 1150 1205 Breitling Wingwalkers (Steerman) 1210 1225 R44 1230 1250
1255 1345 MILEX (Challenger 2, 150 man infantry and artillery assault demo)
1350 1410 Tri-Services Comp (AS350) 1415 1425 Strikemaster 1430 1445 SAR demo (Bell 412 RAF Valley SARTU) 1505 1510 Spitfire MK356


Sunday

1150 1205 Breitling Steerman 1210 1225 R44 1230 1250 Falcons Parachute 1255 1345 MILEX 1350 1410 Tri-Services (AS350) 1415 1425 Black Cats (Lynx Mk8)

[Need money]

Was hoping to fly in to this, but decided to bail given my relative inexperience - maybe next year !

Have a great time.

[toptobottom]

Need Money - PM me with your contact details of you're interested in going up with me?

I live in East Berkshire, so could meet you at White Waltham or Wycombe? Or at my home.
TTB

[Need money]

You have pm :ok:

[John R81]

Sweatshop

Given the display details in your last post, will there be restrictions on times of arrival / departure for private heli's?

And many thanks for organising this.

TTB - will certainly try to meet up again. My photo at the bottom of this article Transfer pricing and intellectual property (http://www.buildingipvalue.com/06KTI/038_041.htm) if it helps us meet up.

Thanks

john

[md 600 driver]

kevin
what day are you going

[kevin_mayes]

MD600

We (Lesley & I) are going on the Saturday

Kev.

[md 600 driver]

pity we could have met up i am looking to go sunday

[kevin_mayes]

MD600
If the day changes due to WX, I'll bob a post here...
Kev.

[Satcop]

John R81 - the heliport will be closed to non-display traffic between 1100 and 1530 hours each day.

[John R81]

Satcop - interesting, as my landing slot time is 11:00.

[Satcop]

Well don't be late. Seriously though that's why there is a buffer of 30 mins, it allows for the inevitable delays:rolleyes:

[John R81]

Thanks - silly questions arise because I have not flown into an event with slot times before. Should not be a problem - I am intending routing from Redhill to Tatenhill (likely overhead City airport as Farnborough NOTAMs suggest that West of Heathrow option is out). Refuel at Tatenhill and then I have only 50 miles to run-in to coordinate times - and plenty of fuel if I need to fly at max cruise.

See you Saturday

John

[PeteMaher]

Hello, I am a fixed-wing PPL holder so I will be driving to the Pageant. I understand there is a Handling Agent for Helicopter arrivals and I wonder if somebody can advise me what Radio Frequency (if any) is used for a arrivals and departures. Many thanks in advance.

[Satcop]

Pete - check your PMs.

[JTobias]

Folks

I've just got off the phone to John form Aircovers he has suggested that Ppruners meet at 13:00 at the Cholmondeley pub and/or leave messages at his stand near ATC.

Yes/no???

Joel

[JTobias]

Folks

Just back from the CPOP. Thankfully the wx was better than last year. A great day and some interesting flying displays (and not by me this year either !). I'm in there again tomorrow.

Pictures on my blog in the usual place shortly.

Thanks to John for organising stuff.

Joel:ok:

[toptobottom]

Joel - sorry, missed your follow up post re meeting; my return from a trip abroad was delayed and couldn't make it to CPOP today after all :{

I'll be at RIAT tomorrow, although the displays won't be nearly as exciting as your exit from CPOP last year ;)

TTB

[JTobias]

TTB

Thanks pal !!!!!!

:O

[John R81]

Fantastic time on Saturday. Started badly - got to the airport to find the machine had been left with insufficient fuel (despite promises) and so had to wait until 9 to fuel & dash in a straight line (not!). slightly late ariving at Bar Mere, but not the last to land (OK, 1 behind me!).

Awesome flying displays - Black Cats = good name. Must use several lives each display. I have no intention to emulate these manouvers.

A great day, thanks to John & team for organising it.

John

[PENNINE BOY]

Arrived early on Sat, well organised and a great day had by all. just a shame that the weather couldnt hold out for the weekend.

We have a great event in the North of England to compete with Goodwood in the near future that is aviation frendly, and doesnt charge £200 to land a 44!
:D

[Satcop]

Assuming that HASL are invited back to run the heliport next year we will be looking at what we can do to improve the service and procedures.

There will be a joining point from the east, and possibly the west/northwest, the north may be difficult as we got several noise/flying complaints from an adjacent farm.

With a little more time to plan everything there will better charts showing areas to avoid.

Fuel (Jet A1) could be made available as could airside transport for those who don't like walking.

Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

[sweatshop]

From what I've seen and heard (from those who flew in and those who did the displays) I know I owe a huge debt of gratitude to some very experienced ATC guys (SATCOP and HASL), our shy retiring display Director JH and of course all those who flew in.
First indications are that CPOP was a great success (visitor numbers and Help for Heroes). Next year I really recommend staying over on Saturday night -the fireworks concert was spectacular.
All those weeks of planning seem to have paid off, 11th hour display change applications (thank you RM in Gatwick for taking me through those:O).
Thanks to all -see you next year. Our 'wash up' meeting is in September, if you have any suggetions at all either post here or email me at aircovers. ----John

[John R81]

My only suggestion for improvement of what was a fantastic day.

Would it be possible to show on the circuit diagram )given in joining instructions) the taxi route back to the parking at the head of 16? Seeing the chap in front spot-turn and backtrack with me on very late final was interesting! Happily he then followed the "right of tree" instruction, saved me from selecting "going around" just as the Black Cats were lifting.

[nigelh]

At the end of the day you had a huge field and just a handful of helicopters so i dont really think there was any scope for a problem !!! All in all it was very well run with minimal nonsense re joining instructions etc etc We went in and out a few times and were on hand to do the roll that sadly the Lynx didnt do :ok:

[JTobias]

I had a great weekend and think that the ATC boys and girls were great.
I wouldn't change a thing - except the weather!

Joel :ok:

[Francis Frogbound]

Joel;

I was the "shy and retiring Airshow Director" (as described by Sweatshop), sadly I couldn't find any virgins to sacrifice to the weather gods and chicken entrails just aren't as good enough. The search is on for suitable virgins for next year.

Very special thanks are due to Robb Metcalf and Sue Duncan from the CAA, and Lt Dave White of the DHFS who managed to combine wisdom with practicality at the eleventh hour and so save the airshow from cancellation.

And special thanks to Audrey for making my day!!!

FF

[nigelh]

Practicality and CAA all in the same sentence ....thats a new one !!! I certainly dont want to knock such an amazing achievement so my congratulations to all , incl the CAA . ( are you SURE they are CAA ???!!)
It was so simple and relaxed ( and safe ) coming in and out i just assumed the CAA hadnt been notified !!!!

[Satcop]

Nigelh, the CAA were well informed about the event and were taking a very keen interest. We were visited by them on Friday and managed to reassure them that everything was being managed in a proportionate way.

The GA department also provided a great deal of assistance to the Display Director together with a large dose of common sense.

Sometimes we can all work together.

[John R81]

Leaving on Saturday. Does anyone else see the Lama in the background? If not I will have to surrender my medical certificate.


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[Brilliant Stuff]

Yes to the Lama.

[Plank Cap]

See the Lama, but what about the little Alouette (.....Lark) in the third tree form the left!

[[email protected]]

Llama? it's just a very tall sheep:)

[Helibabe1]

FF - I'm impressed you remembered my name!
:)

[Francis Frogbound]

Helibabe;

How could I ever forget??

SND xx