KingAir Endo

[first-five]

Just looking for some information in regards to an ad for King air endos in the Australian about a month back, it was through skeye air solutions in think. Does anyone know anything about this operation?

[K3nnyboy]

I am not sure about that one, but I do know Clamback & Hennessy used to do King Air endorsement, don't know if they still do it....but you could suss them out at Bankstown Airport. good luck!!:ok:

[Curare]

Try Smartair Albury NSW www.smartair.com.au (http://www.smartair.com.au) :ok:

[LewC]

According to their website Kingair Endorsement Training is one of their additional services available on request.Check Clamback & Hennessy (http://www.clahen.com.au)

[pcx]

This web site might help.
www.skeye.com.au (http://www.skeye.com.au/)

[Mach E Avelli]

Just be aware that there are organisations out there who are nothing more than middle-men. They have flash websites which give the impression that they own or operate the aircraft in the glossy pictures. For a reality check do a search on the CASA AOC registry where often you find these outfits don't even hold an AOC, or if they do it's for a basic flying school or C172 charter etc.
Make sure you deal directly with the actual operator who has the type on their own AOC and CASA approved check pilots on staff. For something as expensive as a King Air, get a firm quote and firm dates for the course. If they won't commit dollars and dates in writing, don't go there.
Otherwise there is a good chance you will be paying buried commissions.

[Wally Mk2]

"first 5" give Ansett Aviation Training a call here in Melb (Old Ansett Sim Center) they have an old B200 Sim that is available for endo's although you still have to complete some of the endo in the real bird .I'm not too sure they have an in-house instructor on type but worth a call for sure:ok: I use it along with my work colleges & trust me if you can fly that contraption well you will be able to handle a space shuttle!:}

cheers


Wmk2

[Under Dog]

Come on Wally surely you would not recommend that one.....It'l send the poor bloke to the looney bin.


The Dog:ok:

[601]

outfits don't even hold an AOC

It may come as a surprise to some, but conversion training is a private operation. You don't need an AOC

[Mach E Avelli]

601 I will bite. If it's truly private, does that mean it's free? Where do I sign up?

[Horatio Leafblower]

It is specified as a private operation in the regs. I am about to rush out the door so I can't give you a ref but I would point you in the direction of CAR 206.

Money changing hands does not (in and of itself) classify an operation and the expression "for hire or reward" has not appeared in the CARs for many years :(

[Josh Cox]

That training would be classified as "conversion training" and CAR 206 states it as "Private Ops", has nothing to do with money changing hands ( if you seriously believe that, read CAR 206 again ).

So no, AOC not required for conversion training, done on the Instructors META.

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

PM me, first-five, ground course with SKeye starting early April. :ok:

[scarediecat]

True. Much depends on the quality and motivation of the person conducting the training. The B200 sim at the Ansett Sim Center is wrong in so many ways. However it can be used to give you the best King Air endorsement you can get in this country (and potentially the cheapest). Not sure if the Ansett Sim Centre have a designated instructor.

[601]

the expression "for hire or reward" has not appeared in the CARs for many years

The last time "hire and award" appeared was last century

[megle2]

For a newbie, before starting on a King Air endorsement check this web site flightreview.com (http://www.flightreview.com)

There is a book and video on flying King Airs written / presented by Tom Clements that will cost you about 5 minutes of a King Air hourly rate.
Delivery takes about a week to get to you.

Tom Clements has instructed on King Air's for 25 years.

Though based on the "90" it will be money well spent.
Plenty of references to 200's.

[megle2]

Slack, my mistake, the correct address is
Flight Review Incorporated (http://www.flightreview.net)

[frigatebird]

It's on the 'Bucket List', - tho the old KingAir Endorsement is becomingly increasingly dated, - in this 21st Century.. ( did the course on the Dash - 41 with Hawkers in '80 when I thought the company was buying one..)

[Stationair8]

Beg, borrow or steal a Flight Safety B200 Pilots manual and the Flight Safety Engineers Training manual, heaps better than Beech 2000 POH for studying.