Camden noise group

[Freewheel]

Time to get on the front foot, methinks;


Noise annoys residents living under Camden Airport flightpath - Local News - News - General - Camden Advertiser (http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/noise-annoys/1759485.aspx)

[rmcdonal]

It has become hell. This morning I had 46 planes come over from 10.10am to 11.10am doing circuits over my house
Not a bad effort! 1 landing every 1min 18sec :ok:
Perhaps if they had not closed Hoxton Park then the noise would be better shared? :ugh::ugh:

[j3pipercub]

Ferking Noise Complaint Groups! What was there first, the airport or your house? Thought so...NEXT!

[Crescent]

If the squeaky wheel gets the oil, perhaps it is time we pilots made some serious noise. A concerted and persistent letter writing campaign to local, state and federal members of parliament should get some attention. What issues? Developers encroaching on airports, the release of land in established flight paths for housing, the closure of airfields and no new ones being opened within reach of the metropolitan centres. The lack of RAA fields in metro centres. Aviation is an industry begging for revitalisation. On our side of the fence, we need to restore a sense of professionalism even at GA level, and above all - get flying, take your family and mates, get them hooked so when the stinky matter hits the fan, they will stand with us, instead of ignoring aviation as a rich persons playground that they don't care about.

Off soapbox now, don't know what came over me.

[Aerozepplin]

Indeed. You buy a house half a mile from the threshold of an aerodrome that's been there for over 50 years and you should know what you're in for.

People need to stop being idiots.

[onezeroonethree]

I've got friends who live very close to YMML and have 737s flying LOW over their backyard all the time... if you ask me they dont live close enough. I'd love a house under a flight path. (They're pilots so I'm pretty sure they love it too :ok:)

[inandout]

F**K me the bloody airport has been there for years, these fw should f off.

[Aerozepplin]

if you ask me they dont live close enough

I lived under the flight path of one of the airport's less used runways, but when it was active it was excellent! Every now and then something interesting (DC3, C130, etc) would fly over and being a geek I'd have to run outside.

Excellent. Don't know what people's problem is :8

[Torquatus]

Was talking to a neighbour the other week, we live under the inbound path for a GAAP, got the usual complaint. Anyway, he then went back to his angle grinding :hmm:

[dghob]

My son used to work in a pub on Richmond Green in London. It's right under the flight path of aircraft on finals to LHR. He couldn't understand why I wanted to sit on the green for half the day watching the activity while I was visiting. The noise wasn't a big issue for the locals, but some of them had a bit to say about pollution (in a city where you can't move for the cars). The older model mobile phones used to play up a bit when an aircraft went over.
dghob

[Stationair8]

Aepolanes make noise, its when they don't make noise should be of more concern for those living under the flightpath.

[The Green Goblin]

I love the comments at the bottom of the newspaper article!

At least everyone is not an uneducated fool living in la la land :ok:

[ZEEBEE]

Nothing like ignorant journo's writing emotive pieces in community rags.

Unfortunately, the comments at the end seem to unanimously bag the whingers, so I don't think it went over quite the way it was intended.

Also had to laugh that they wanted transponders fitted to the aircraft.

And that's going to achieve what ??? exactly ???

[Benjamin James]

So are they trying to insult us by saying our aircraft are underpowered, or do they really not understand how decreasing noice reduces power even more.

I'm suggesting three things: that outdated or underpowered aircraft be fitted with noise reduction equipment and transponders

And Pat, that is only two things :D

[kookabat]

Define 'outdated' aircraft???

[Freewheel]

OK, here's a couple of thoughts that should apply to anybody, pretty much anywhere;

Airport Managers;

Cry from the rooftops about the economic gains of the airport and it's (hopefully) expansion in activity.

Mention any and all non-aviation activities taking place on the airport. (community groups etc)


Airport Users;

Get together as a group. If you haven't done so, get on with it.

Get the journo to interview anybody who does an angel flight (or similar) job,

Issue a press release about any new aircraft purchased. Emphasis it's low noise signature. There are enough examples of press releases being printed unaltered to suggest it might get a run. Pretty much any new aircraft nowadays is quieter than it's direct predecessor, shout about it!

If you have a hangar/office/paint job/envelope to open, invite your local mayor/mp/busybody to open it with lots of photos and hors d'erves.



What needs to happen is, as crescent stated, some noise in the right direction. By all means lobby mp's, councils etc about airport boundary development, but it's the public noise that makes the biggest difference in the hearts and minds etc.

[Clearedtoreenter]

``I'm suggesting three things: that outdated or underpowered aircraft be fitted with noise reduction equipment and transponders.

I'm gonna get one of them transponder thingies - will make me much quieter at CN!:ok:

[Brian Abraham]

Scene, military ab initio jet training base. Orders go up on board that all instructors and students are to work Saturday as if it was a normal week day. Unheard of was weekend work, and more puzzling that the only flying permitted would be circuits. Boss had become aware that a land auction for housing slap bang up against the base was to be held.

[eocvictim]

There is a small airport in the Melbourne area that has been asked to stop flying over what used to be a large field 10 years ago which is now... a cemetery. :ugh:

[Led Zep]

Just what idiots deserve! If other idiots like themselves hadn't whinged and let developers in to close HOX they wouldn't have a problem! But I guess their own personal universe isn't big enough to see the whole picture. :8 Dopes.

[Freewheel]

Now that everybody's vented, my point is this;

People will whinge and moan about things they don't like or are jealous of. There's no doubt that aircraft are less noisy than some of the cars, trucks or motorcycles that will be driven in the streets, but don't attract attention because aircraft are perceived as being some kind of rich boy's toy.

We all know that the reality is quite different, but there is no doubt that this is an argument where facts are not going to win.

What this mindset requires is a reach for the high ground, so get yourself out there and promote the positives of your airfield. If you don't, the whingers will make enough noise to convince your local politicians (including councils) that YOU, the aviator, are no more than a pain in the butt that can be squeezed out of existence.

Don't think it can happen? If you think it won't happen to you anywhere, get out now and leave the fight to those who are interested.

[Aerozepplin]

so get yourself out there and promote the positives of your airfield

Well said. The people who complain about noise are often ignorant of the issue at hand (ie. believing cowboy pilots are being hot headed daredevils) but they make a lot of political noise. The local councillors want to be re-elected, and they need votes to do that. So if people make a big deal about it, someone is going to jump on the noise band wagon to ensure their political future.

[Aerozepplin]

From my limited experience local councils are often run and in the pocket of property developers. Long term goals are forgotten when the cash register is ringing. If an airport closes that's more room to build rubbish identical houses on!

[redleader78]

Brian Awesome I would go to war for that guy LOVE IT. had me in laughter for 5 minutes

[Benjamin James]

The problem is not just developers after coin, housing is a real and significant issue. One which pilot's cannot ignore as less houses equals skyrocketing prices for us as well.

The key is for people to accept that their house is cheaper because it's next to an airport, hence the reason they could probably afford it.

Of course they have invested interest in that airport closing as it would increase the value of their property. That's why active community involvement by airport users is required, try and make having an airport close by a plus, not a minus.

[Pinky the pilot]

Scene, military ab initio jet training base. Orders go up on board that all instructors and students are to work Saturday as if it was a normal week day. Unheard of was weekend work, and more puzzling that the only flying permitted would be circuits. Boss had become aware that a land auction for housing slap bang up against the base was to be held.

Love it!:ok::ok:

What was the outcome of that, Brian?

Also, quite a few years ago someone built a house right under the downwind leg of the main runway at an airfield on which a major Gliding Club operated with two Pawnees as tugs.

One fine day the Club Office Manager recieves an irate call from the house owner complaining about the tugs. Said Office Manager (Female and not a Pilot) replied simply,
''Well why did you build a house right next to an operational airfield?''

All she heard was stunned silence, so she hung up without any further conversation.

Nothing was ever heard again.

[bushy]

The town planners may have been negligent by allowing houses to be built near an aerodrome. The complaints should be directed to them. And the responsibility.

[Capt Kremin]

Legend has it that a former OC of RAAF Amberley dealt with noise complaints by inviting complainers into his office and politely asking them to point out their houses on a aerial photo of the base.
Only one person ever managed to do so (an old timer who the OC managed to get onside in other ways) because the photo was taken in the 1930's.
The tactic was apparently very effective.

[Brian Abraham]

What was the outcome of that, Brian?
Was a story told by a guy of when he was at Pearce flying Vampires. So quite some time ago.

[Truckster]

Good to see some balance in the press.

Plane silly to buy under Camden Airport flight path - Local News - News - General - Camden Advertiser (http://www.camdenadvertiser.com.au/news/local/news/general/plane-silly-to-buy-under-camden-airport-flight-path/1765863.aspx)

[mrdeux]

Scene, military ab initio jet training base. Orders go up on board that all instructors and students are to work Saturday as if it was a normal week day. Unheard of was weekend work, and more puzzling that the only flying permitted would be circuits. Boss had become aware that a land auction for housing slap bang up against the base was to be held.That occurred whilst I was a student there. Lots of low level circuits too. Macchis...1980.

Sitting in the crew room at 1FTS, on one of the very few nights when we flew. Someone complaining about the noise we were making at Laverton (we used both fields). CO took the phone and asked if the airfield had been there when they bought their house. Response was yes. To which the CO responded, 'well you can go and get f*&^(d then can't you'. It probably wouldn't happen now, but it's what we all think.