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opethical
5th Jan 2010, 08:12
Have kept this one to myself for nearly 2 years. I kindly rejected the contract. Thought it might make an interesting talking point.








CONTRACT







CONTRACT made on the date set out in the Schedule

BETWEEN: the Principal and the Contract Pilot referred to in the Schedule.

The Principal hereby engages the Contract Pilot to carry out the work described in the Schedule subject to the terms and conditions referred to in this Contract.

1. The Contract Pilot shall carry out such work as is assigned to him from time to time in a conscientious, expeditious and workmanlike fashion. Where the Contract Pilot is required to provide or utilise equipment, such equipment shall be suitable for the work and shall be maintained by the Contract Pilot in good working condition.


2. The Contract Pilot warrants that he is competent and has the necessary aeronautical skills, licences and endorsements to carry out the work.


3. The terms of this Contract is set out in the Schedule.

4. Notwithstanding anything herein contained to the contrary, the Principal may determine this Contract at any time and without prior notice should the Contract Pilot be guilty of any dishonesty, serious misconduct or serious neglect of duty, or be in breach of any of the terms of this Contract, or refuse to comply with any reasonable instructions or directions given by the principal.

5. Either party may determine this Contract upon the happening to the other of any of the following events, namely:


a) if the other enters into a Deed of Arrangement or an order is made for it to be wound up;


(b) if a receiver or receiver/manager is appointed;


(c) if the other party is placed under official management;

(d) if a judgment is entered against the party for a sum in excess of [twenty thousand dollars ($20,000.00)] and same remains unsatisfied or unappealed for a period of twenty-one (21) days.


6. This Contract is personal and shall not be assigned without the consent of the other party.

7. The Principal shall make payments to the Contract Pilot as set out in the Schedule and referred to as "Contract Pilot's Remuneration".

8. The Contract Pilot shall effect all insurance required to be effected by him by law.


9. The Contract Pilot shall be responsible for and shall indemnify the Principal against liability for all loss, damage or injury to persons or property caused by the Contract Pilot, and the amount of all claims, damages, costs and expenses which may be paid, suffered or incurred by the Principal in respect of any such loss, damage or injury, shall be made good at the Contract Pilot's expense and may be deducted from any moneys due or becoming due to the Contract Pilot.

10. Throughout the continuance of this Contract the Contract Pilot shall conform at its own cost and expense with all Acts of both Federal and State Parliaments and all Regulations, Bylaws, Ordinances or Orders made thereunder including without limiting the generality of the foregoing the Civil Aviation Act, Civil Aviation Regulations and Orders, Air Navigation Regulations, Air Navigation Orders and Civil Aviation Advisory Publication and all publications of the Aeronautical Information Service and the lawful requirements of any Public, Municipal or other authority so far as the same may affect or apply to the Contract Pilot or the work carried out by the Contract Pilot, and the Contract Pilot shall indemnify the Principal

11. The Contract Pilot shall not, either during the continuance of this Contract or after its termination, divulge to any person, firm or corporation any information concerning the business affairs of the Principal or its Director and Shareholders, any of its related or affiliated companies, or any of its or their clients except:-

(a) to the extent that it can be shown that such information is publicly available other than as a result of any breach of this Contract;

(b) to the extent that it can be shown that such information was in the possession of the receiving party to the date of disclosure by the disclosing party;

(c) to the extent that the receiving party may subsequently receive such information from any third party without restriction on such third party as to such disclosure; or

(d) where the party disclosing such information is required to do so by compulsion of law but only to the extent and for the purpose of such disclosure.

12. At the request of the Principal, the Contract Pilot shall at his own expense execute all deeds or other documents required to enable any loss, damage, cost and/or expense incurred or sustained by any related or affiliated Company of the Principal or any of their Agents or Servants, which may not be recoverable by the Principal, but which if it had been incurred or sustained by the Principal would have been recoverable by the Principal, to be recovered from the Contract Pilot by any such related or affiliated Company directly.

13. The Contract Pilot acknowledges and agrees that as an independent Contractor, he shall be liable for all income tax payable upon his contract earnings pursuant to this Contract, and shall be responsible for all Workers Compensation insurance premiums (if any) applicable to an independent Contractor, for all Medi Bank contributions and for contributions to any Superannuation fund which the Contract Pilot has elected to join.

14. Nothing contained herein shall constitute the relationship of partnership or employer and employee between the parties hereto and it is the express intention of the parties that any such relationships are denied and negatived.

15. The address of each party as referred to in the Schedule hereto shall be the address of that party for service of notices or other communications hereunder which may be effected by personal delivery or by post, and if by post the date of service shall be deemed to be the day after the day of posting.

16. This Contract shall be construed and take effect in accordance with the laws of the places referred to in the Schedule. Each of the parties hereto submits to the jurisdiction of the Courts of those places including all Courts of Appeal therefrom and this clause may be pleaded as a bar to action or suit brought in any Court in any other place in the world.



SCHEDULE


1. The date of commencement of this Contract is the date of commencement of duties in the Torres Strait.......Insert date of commencement


2. The Principal is Milkwood Holdings Pty Ltd ACN 078 827 228 as trustee for the Cape Air Transport Trust trading as Cape Air Transport BN6429087 of Annan Road Cooktown.


3. The Contract Pilot's particulars are:-


Name:

Address: Horn Island 4875

Date of Birth:

Height: .....cm

Weight: .......kilos

ARN:

Hours at commencement:

Currently:

Last Medical:

Instrument Renewal: .



4. The work is:


The provision of aircraft pilot services and associated office and other duties as and when directed by the Principal in accordance with the terms and conditions of this Contract and in accordance with Air Law including without limiting the generality of the foregoing, the Rules, Regulations and Orders in force from time to time and administered by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority Australia and in accordance with the privileges and responsibility of the Pilot's Licence held by the Contract Pilot.


The Contract Pilot's remuneration shall be calculated as follows:-

The Contract Pilot shall be paid a contract gross rate as follows:-

1. Whilst on probation during line training at the rate of $100 per day whilst on base or at a designated base paid monthly in arrears upon presentation of the Contract Pilot’s invoice. (eg: Days on base = 31 x $100 = $3,100)

2. After the probation period and upon final check out to line flying, the Contract Pilot shall be paid a contract gross rate of $107 per day whilst on base or at a designated base paid monthly in arrears upon presentation of the Contract Pilot’s invoice. (eg: Days on base = 31 x $107 = $3,317)

3. Upon final P68 check out to line flying, the Contract Pilot shall be paid a contract gross rate of $127 per day whilst on base or at a designated base paid monthly in arrears upon presentation of the Contract Pilot’s invoice. (eg: Days on base = 31 x $127 = $3,937)

4. Upon final BN2 check out to line flying, the Contract Pilot shall be paid a contract gross rate of $140 per day whilst on base or at a designated base paid monthly in arrears upon presentation of the Contract Pilot’s invoice. (eg: Days on base = 31 x $140 = $4,340)

5. Upon completion of the contract, the Contract Pilot shall be paid an end of contract bonus calculated at the rate of $14 per day for each day worked based upon the invoices submitted and approved by the company (eg: Days on base= 365 x $14 = $5,110). No bonus shall be paid or due if the contract is not completed






6. CONTRACT TERM AND RENEWAL




Subject to clauses 4 and 5, the term of this Contract shall be one year.




This Contract may be renewed for further terms as agreed between the parties and subject to either party being at liberty to terminate the Contract at any time upon giving the other party not less than four weeks advance notice in writing.




7. TERMINATION




This Contract may be determined at any time without prior notice in accordance with clauses 4 and 5 thereof or in the event that the Principal, due to economic conditions, is unable to continue regular flying operations.




8. LIMITATION OF COMPLETION




The Contract Pilot covenants and agrees that in consideration of this Contract, and in consideration of the Principal providing check and training in the Torres Strait area of its air operations, prior to the commencement of this Contract, the Contract Pilot covenants and agrees not to offer his services to, accept employment with or enter into a Contract to offer pilot services to any competitor of the Principal for a period of six months after termination of this Contract; Provided however, that the Principal may release the Contract Pilot from the restraints of this clause in the event that this Contract is terminated by the Principal due to economic circumstances.




9. ACCOMMODATION AND UTILITIES AND TRAVEL




The Contract Pilot shall be responsible for all living expenses including food and beverages provisions, meals, laundry, personal telephone, clothing, uniforms, and travel to and from the designated base. (viz. Horn Island)

The Contract Pilot shall be responsible for maintaining the accommodation provided in the condition in which it was accepted and accepts liability for any damage incurred during the period of this contract.













10. PLACE OF CONTRACT




Queensland and/or The Commonwealth of Australia.

















IN WITNESS the parties have duly executed this Contract on the date as aforesaid.










EXECUTED by the said Principal MILKWOOD HOLDINGS PTY LTD AS TRUSTEE ACN 078 827 228 in the presence of:










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EXECUTED by the said Pilot Contractor




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IN A NUTSHELL:- Approximate Remuneration including end of contract bonus:-


C182
C182/PA32
P68
BN2

ANNUAL
$41,610
$44,165
$51,465
$56,210

MONTHLY
$3,468
$3,680
$4,289
$4,684

WEEKLY
$800
$849
$990
$1,081

tail wheel
5th Jan 2010, 09:05
Name: MILKWOOD HOLDINGS PTY. LTD (http://www2.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?acn=078_827_228&juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1).
ACN: 078 827 228

Type: Australian Proprietary Company, Limited By Shares
Registration Date: 06/06/1997
Next Review Date: 06/06/2010
Status: Registered
Locality of Registered Office: Cooktown QLD 4895
Jurisdiction Australian Securities & Investments Commission

Last Annual Return 2002. Bit behind with their paper work?

That "Contract" would be very contestible in the Industrial Relations Commission! :E

SM227
5th Jan 2010, 09:53
And that is an example of a pretty good contract, right? :confused:

eternity
5th Jan 2010, 09:59
Maybe I should throw in an app over there???

fasterblaster
5th Jan 2010, 10:51
It's better than what we are getting in the Alice flying cabin twins.

By the time you pay your own tax, insurance and super it won't be. Let's not talk about the time you will waste sorting this stuff out as well! And I understand living in the straits like any remote area isn't so cheap for rent, food, beer etc

What a joke. Wonder what else they are saving money on?:ugh:

ab33t
5th Jan 2010, 11:04
That is a better contract than Im getting , my piece of paper is worth nothing . Think Im going to send a application through

mostlytossas
5th Jan 2010, 11:25
I'm fairly sure you cannot be deemed a contractor if you derive more than about 70% of your income from one source. You are therefore an employee and by law must recieve the benefits of one. ie Super, workcover, etc.

Steve888
5th Jan 2010, 11:31
Can anyone highlight the problem areas amongst the legal mumbo-jumbo?

I'm guessing the fact you'd be employed as a contractor, and have to pay super, tax, insurance and accommodation are the main points? And how reasonable are the pay rates?

wish2bflying
5th Jan 2010, 11:44
Am I reading this right, that the "Contract" Pilot could be legally bound to sell every asset he/she owns to pay for damages not covered by insurance?

I think this company could get away with the Contract thing because if they're only offering a touring basis job of say, month-on, month-off, they would expect the Contractor to be securing other contracts in the time they're not on this contract ...? Unless it's set up to be a permanent full time job, in which case I don't believe they have a leg to stand on. The Pilot is an employee if he/she is working full time for one employer.

gutso-blundo
5th Jan 2010, 12:06
Mind-numbingly crap when you consider (after all deductions stated above) that your take-home will be half the quoted figure at best. And if something goes pear-shaped it's you in court defending your own arse. Oh and being contract, you're not getting paid when you're not there. You can be sure you're still being charged rent though :mad:

Checkboard
5th Jan 2010, 12:30
Parked out at a remote area, with an aircraft on this contract? You can make a reasonable amount of cash! :ok:


- Just let it be known that you will fly anyone anywhere for half the "company's price", if they pay cash and keep quiet about it. :E

Having your own personal aircraft can be profitable, if you don't have to pay for it, and the owner started the shafting process (so you owe no loyalty there!) :suspect:

Horatio Leafblower
5th Jan 2010, 17:13
Pretty sure that particular bloke has been a contract pilot all his life and recently spent nearly 12 months in gaol in Irian Jaya. WSB I presume?

:suspect:

lk978
5th Jan 2010, 22:09
That contract has been written by a solicitor with a small amount of knowledge... usually the meeting starts with the owners of the business saying.

- I want the pricks to pay for their own endorsement
- I can get guys to work for this
- If they smash the plane they can f..ing fix it
- Im not paying that

and it goes on, The poor solicitor usually a guy who deals with family law or conveyoncing tries to put together a contract refering to their text books and they come up with this standard contract not ever thinking they will have to defend it.

Then the boss gets a hold of it and makes changes to suit :ugh:


This has been done to death... to make it simple there is 2 bodies that deal with this.

ATO (Tax man)
- Uses the 80% rule if you are a contrator getting 80% of your income from the one person and you are not a PTY LTD company then you are an EMPLOYEE and they should be with holding your tax... easy way to fix this is just not to pay your taxes then when they audit you plead ignorence and say you thought you were an employee, not only will they chase your employer for the tax they should have been taking but they will pass the matter on to fair work australia or whatever they call themselves now.

- They also use other tests like; Do you have a chain of command, Do you wear a unifrom, do you recieve directions or is it a pay on completion type of agreement, is there a contract, is 80% of your income from this one company.... and it goes on in most cases they fail all of them except for the silly insignificant contracts they have in place.

Fair Work Australia

- Basically uses the 7 or 8 tests to determine the role you have in the business. will chase up your entitlements but you usually loose your job and it ends badly.


In most cases employers are not scared of the industrial system but they **** their pants when the tax man shows up :ok:

PS Sorry about the spelling I am drunk, one thing i perfected at uni

PPS I am pretty sure you cant imdenify pilots against damage to aircraft unless it is gross neglegence

YPJT
5th Jan 2010, 22:17
:D:D:D
Good advice lk978. The real test of this bullsh1t will be when the first hapless young "contractor" dings his bosses plane and discovers he isn't covered by the insurance. Try paying 30 or 40k worth of repairs on an IGA shelf stacker wage.

dh.dude
5th Jan 2010, 22:23
Further to what has already been said in terms of what defines a "contractor", I thought in order to be a contractor, you had to supply your own equipment, including, in the case of a pilot, their aircraft! Maybe someone else can confirm this??

mostlytossas
5th Jan 2010, 23:31
Not so. Or at least not usually so. Many occupations have workers "on contract" that only supply their labour. Eg Draughtmen, Design Engineers, etc often work in a office using the clients equiptment, so do visiting specialists at hospitals etc miners, drivers and some tradies. All depends on what the contract asks for when you bid for it.
The important thing is as said above....how much of your income is earned from one source. Once that has been exceeded you are deemed an employee and come under the protection and obligations of the Industrial laws of Australia.
Too much of this sort of thing goes on especially in low paying ,low skilled jobs where the poor employee has no choice if they want to earn a crust.
In the aviation game the problem is too many wide eyed kids want to fly planes for a living with too few jobs out there for them. A recipe for unscupulous employers to take advantage of them.
I would suggest you report these a***holes to the authorities or at least join a union if you don't want to do it yourself and get them to do it for you. I bet the Transport Union would be very interested if the aviation unions aren't.

notmyC150v2
6th Jan 2010, 00:30
The Fair Work Ombudsman is the place to report these chappies. This contract is just not legally enforceable.

If any pilot were to commence on this contract they would be in fact and law an employee. The employer is actually accruing a substantial debt for superannuation, income tax and underpayment of wages. A "contractor" so engaged could work for 6 years and then commence action to recover all unpaid amounts for the entire period of his employment.

Then there is the fact that the Federal Court Division of Fair Work Australia takes a very dim view on employers who try to evade their obligations. Fines upwards of $200,000 have been levied within the last 12 months for such actions.

I won't go through all the legalities of the flaws in the above contract, just be assured its as legally crappy as it is morally crappy.

PLovett
6th Jan 2010, 00:49
Think of that contract as a red hot poker being inserted in your fundamental orifice. Then you will get some idea of what is being done to you.

For the vast majority of pilots in GA you are NOT contractors, never have been, never will be. There are some but they are at the top of the tree, not the bottom.

snoop doggy dog
6th Jan 2010, 02:04
It's a Full Time job and therefore all the other entitlements should be paid. :ok:
They could get away with offering that for short-term jobs, but on an on-going basis, they would have to pay for the extra entitlements if it was challenged later.

For every One pilot that declines, Two would be in the waiting to take up the offer. :p

If things are that tough that an operator can't pay the pittiful award, they are greedy, ready to go bust or both. :hmm:

They take the punt as they will get away with it and line their pockets 99% of the time. :E

Trojan1981
6th Jan 2010, 02:14
I knew one Instructor (probably not an usual case) who, after working as a contractor for a certain BK flying school (now in administration I believe) made $12K after tax one year:eek:!

Why would you do it to yourself, bus drivers make more :ugh:

Trojan1981
6th Jan 2010, 02:57
My former instructor makes about 1/3 of my salary, and I am not wealthy by any means, madness....

lk978
6th Jan 2010, 03:49
when i sober up i have decided to write a pilot employment manual which has accurate research on a number of these legal issues feel free to PM me if you want anything added to the list for things to be cleared up.

I am planning

Section 1: Advice for the fresh CPL Instructor Vs Instrument (just simple pro's and con's of each no hear say or anacdotal BS that sometimes makes it way onto this forum)

Section 2: Finding a Job and what to put on Resume (i dont give a sh!t about your life history in scouts) and what to say in interviews

Section 3: Networking and making friends (without being the airport b!tch)

Section 4: What should i be getting paid and how should i be employed

Section 5: Stuff you need when you make a mistake (crashing planes, flying too low and CASA generally giving you a hard time)

Section 6: How to aviod 3 ex wives as an airline pilot, thats right i said prenup

Actually you can write section 6 yourselves ill just leave a space to put a photo of the boat you used to have:}

Rojer Wilco
10th Jan 2010, 10:49
If you need flying advice ask a pilot. If however, you need legal advice...

There's no separate and distinct legal test to determine if an individual is a contractor or an employee. The relationship is covered by a number of different legislative areas, including superannuation guarantee and OH&S, but primarily we look to the Independent Contractors Act 2006, together with consequential amendments to the Workplace Relations Act.

To quickly dispel a popular urban myth, there's no all encompassing test based on tenure. There's absolutely no reason what so ever why an independent contractor cannot derive 100% of his income for an undefined period from a single source.

Generally speaking, these are the things to consider. Control over work, independence, payment, commercial risk, ability to delegate, ownership of tools and equipment.

There's a number of things which make our friend the Contracted Pilot look and smell like a contractor.

1. There is a written contract in place between The Principal and himself
2. The pilot is responsible for his own tax and super (except even withstanding the contract arrangement, the Principal may still be required to hold super because of an interesting provision of the Superannuation guarantee)
3. The pilot supplies his own uniforms, equipment, charts etc and is not reimbursed
4. The pilot has substantial commercial risk. He's liable for damage to the aircraft. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. Employees are normally indemnified from risk by an Employer.
5. The pilot is independent, in that the contract has no exclusion clause preventing him from working elsewhere

Please note that I can just as easily drum up legal argument that makes him look like an employee. My point is that you should be extremely careful in saying that he's undoubtedly an employee because that most certainly is incorrect.

Also, any allusion to the fact that lawyers are happy to carelessly draw contracts because they don't expect them contested is ridiculous. Whom better than a lawyer to understand the very real risk in this day and age of attracting a law suit for professional negligence? Most lawyers charge by the hour, so why wouldn't one take the time to get it right?

Torres
10th Jan 2010, 12:10
Roger, you may be correct under industrial law, but overlook requirements peculiar to civil aviation and the functions and obligations of a commercial pilot engaged in air charter or RPT operations.

1. An AOC holder is required to insure liabilities in accordance with the Civil Aviation (Carrier's Liability) Act;

2. A "contract" pilot may not practice his trade in an independent manner, but must operate in accordance with each operators accepted Operations Manual.

3. CAR and CAO requirements at least for air charter and RPT require greater than a casual relationship between an operator and pilot.

It may be possible to engage a casual contract pilot for aircraft ferry, private or aerial work operations. I do not believe it possible to engage a casual contract pilot to conduct air charter or RPT operations.

Metro man
10th Jan 2010, 12:41
I would suggest you get a quote for the insurance premium for the aircraft and workers comp for yourself, you may find after paying these, and your living expenses it will be costing you money to work.

Don't even think of not having insurance, if you ding a prop and end up having the engine stripped the bill will make your eyes water. Have a chat to a nice friendly engineer and get an idea of some of the bills they send out, especially if a recovery is involved, think two engineers plus pilot in a twin flying from Cairns (you pay travelling time as well), workshop labour and parts.

Also if you are injured on the job, consider the cost of a medivac alone, before you even get to hospital. Last time I was in Australia, Medicare didn't pay for work place injuries.

IF you are desperate enough to sign this, make sure you get professional advice first as to what's legal and enforcable. Possibly you could sign in the knowledge that it would be laughed out of court (pay your own workers comp though). Join a union before you start, I'd have the TWU on my side just in case.

Brian Abraham
10th Jan 2010, 13:34
lk978, my lawyer says prenups don't hold water in Oz. You know different?

apache
10th Jan 2010, 23:57
The Interview

Courtesy of Airline Pilot Central.



I walked into the interview with a great deal of confidence and enthusiasm. Flying airplanes was my one true passion in this life. This was my big chance to merge my occupation with my love. I would become an airline pilot.

"So you want to be an airline pilot?" the interviewer inquired.

"Yes, sir, more than anything else I have ever wanted," I replied, realizing I sounded like an anxious adolescent.

"Well, great, welcome aboard," the airline executive said.

"You mean I'm hired?!" I cheered.

"You bet, we're glad to have you. Actually, we've had trouble finding good pilots to hire," the exec explained. If I was surprised, it was overshadowed by my joy of reaching my dream.

"Let's just go over a few points before you sign on the dotted line," the company man chortled. "We're going to send you to the world's most renowned medical center. They'll spend two days probing your body orifices, draining and analyzing your blood, and administering psychological exams. They'll literally take you apart and put you back together. If they find any hint of current or future problems, you're fired and can find your own ride home."

"Gee, I think my health is OK," I nervously choked out.

The manager went on, "Good, next we'll evaluate your flying skills in an aircraft you've never been in before. "If we don't like the way you perform, you're fired,"

I was confident with my flying, but this guy was making me nervous.

He continued, "Next, if you're still here, we'll run you through our training program. If during any time in the next 10 years you decide to leave the company, you'll have to reimburse us $20,000, or we'll sue you. Also if you fail to measure up during training, you're fired."

The man who had just given me my dream job listed still more hurdles. "Each time, before we allow you near one of our multimillion dollar aircraft we'll X-ray your flight bag and luggage, because we don't trust you. Also we'll ask you to pass through a magnetometer each time. If you fail to do so, you'll be arrested and jailed."

"When you've completed your flight, we'll have you provide a urine sample, because we don't trust you to not take drugs. Very soon, we plan to take a blood sample to look for more drugs. "Also if you ever fly with another crew member who may have used drugs or alcohol, you must report to us immediately. If you fail to notice that anyone has used these substances, you'll be fired, have your license to fly revoked, and be fined $10,000."

"Every six months, we want you to go back to the medical center for another exam. If they ever find a hint of a problem, your license to fly will be revoked and we'll fire you. Anytime you see a medical person, you must tell us about it so we can see if you need to be grounded and terminated. Also, we need to examine your driving record, and you must tell us if you have even any minor infractions so we can remove you from the cockpit as soon as possible."

"At any time, without notice, a special branch of the government will send one of its inspectors to ride in your aircraft. The inspector will demand to see your papers and license; if your papers are not in order, you'll be removed, fined, terminated, and possibly jailed."

"If at any time you make an error in judgment or an honest human mistake, you will be terminated, be fined tens of thousands of dollars, and be dragged through months of court proceedings. The government will make sure you never fly again for any airline."

"You will be well out of town most holidays, weekends, and family events - half our pilots are always on the job at any point in time.

Smiling an evil smile now, the airline hirer went on. "Oh, and one last thing to cover. Occasionally, we in management fail to see a trend and screw up royally or the country's economy falls flat on its face. If as a result of one of those events the corporation begins to lose money, you as an employee will be expected to make up the losses from your paycheck. Of course, management will not be held to the same standards.

Oh, and one last thing - if we negotiate pay and work rule concessions from you in the in exchange for a better pension plan, we probably won't fund that pension plan agreement (unlike the management pension plan and golden parachutes) and will likely have yanked it away from you."

"Now sign here," he pointed, grinning as he handed me a pen.

I faked a sudden nosebleed. Holding my head back and pinching my nostrils, I hurried from his office. When I got to the hall, I began to run. I ran all the way to my car. I figured if I hurried I could still get to the county vocational school before 5:00 and enroll in the industrial welding career program. !!

Rojer Wilco
11th Jan 2010, 03:08
Roger, you may be correct under industrial law, but overlook requirements peculiar to civil aviation and the functions and obligations of a commercial pilot engaged in air charter or RPT operations.


Torres,

I'd advise you as follows;

1. An AOC holder is required to insure liabilities in accordance with the Civil Aviation (Carrier's Liability) Act;


The Civil Aviation (Carriers' Liability) Act 1959 and subsequent amendments are not at all relevant to a contract for piloting services unless there's an included provision of the service agreement tending to relieve the carrier of it's liabilities under The Act, or to fix a lower limit than the appropriate limit of liability provided by The Act (in which case the contract provision wouldn't be binding anyway).

2. A "contract" pilot may not practice his trade in an independent manner, but must operate in accordance with each operators accepted Operations Manual.


A skilled contractor following the procedures of The Principal to a contract in the course of executed works is normal practice in any industry. Indeed, most of the provisions of any contract you may care to read are included to ensure that The Contractor works within provisions and guidelines outlined by The Principal and agreed to by both parties at the time the contract is entered into.

It's normally the whole point of any such contract, and I don't understand how your point is relevant in determining either the validity of the contract, nor whether the pilot is an emplyee or a contractor.

3. CAR and CAO requirements at least for air charter and RPT require greater than a casual relationship between an operator and pilot.


While I'm tempted to just write "Where?" it may be prudent to point out that a court most certainly would not consider a contracted relationship of an indefinite and regular nature to be "casual".

Anyway, your point is immaterial to any legal argument about whether the pilot is a contractor or an employee because we're merely discussing how often he provides the service, rather than the instrument of that provision.

It may be possible to engage a casual contract pilot for aircraft ferry, private or aerial work operations. I do not believe it possible to engage a casual contract pilot to conduct air charter or RPT operations.


Why? Note that I'm not being a smart arse, I'm genuinely interested in how you formed this opinion.


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As a piece of final advice; Even if the contract was effected by any of your points above, it wouldn't automatically make the pilot an employee, and it wouldn't necessarily relieve either party from any or all of their contracted obligations.

gutso-blundo
11th Jan 2010, 08:02
So how much do I owe you for that? :}

YPJT
11th Jan 2010, 08:30
Roger Wilco,

Clearly you have a very good grip on this matter. Would you agree though that a contractor is leaving him or her self more open to financial claim by an aircraft operator should they damage the aircraft whilst it is under their control, as Metro Man outlined in his post above?

Rojer Wilco
11th Jan 2010, 09:54
Quote:YPTJ

Clearly you have a very good grip on this matter. Would you agree though that a contractor is leaving him or her self more open to financial claim by an aircraft operator should they damage the aircraft whilst it is under their control, as Metro Man outlined in his post above?



Undoubtedly.

The Contract Pilot would be prudent to limit his personal liability by forming a proprietary limited company for the purposes of offering the contracted services (which would also be advantageous for taxation minimisation).

The Principal in turn would be wise to make the contract conditional on The Contractor holding public liability insurance, workers compensation and some sort of professional indemnity insurance that covers The Contractor in the event that The Principal wishes to sue for damages (say to remedy an aircraft owned by The Principal and damaged by The Contractor through negligence).

The clever amongst you should have also noticed a possible illegal ops problem here.

werbil
11th Jan 2010, 20:16
Only if you don't have an AOC.

Would professional indemnity insurance be of any benefit? I would have thought that hull and public liability (including carriers) insurance would provide appropriate protection as anything that damages the aircraft will be the a result of a f*** up or bad luck. IMHO professional indemnity insurance would only become essential if you were the CP, had a T&C function or performed/certified maintenance whilst being an independent contractor given that you would be providing professional opinions to other people at times.

Actually on second thoughts performing a daily inspection where someone else flies the aircraft could leave you open for a professional indemnity claim as you sign that the aircraft is serviceable for the day (professional advice). If the wings fall off whilst another pilot is flying the plane then the pilot, principal and/or pax could sue you for incorrectly certifying that the aircraft is airworthy.

Stikybeke
11th Jan 2010, 21:25
Outstanding Apache :ok: Simply outstanding.....:D Best laugh I've had in ages...but probably so true somewhere.....thank you!!!

Stiky
:D

Rojer Wilco
11th Jan 2010, 22:34
Werbil,

You may well be correct about the insurance. Aviation insurance isn't an area in which I have a great deal of experience.

I suggested PI because if The Contractor dings it, he needs to be insured to sufficiently cover a claim arising from The Principal (or some other plaintiff) that the damage was caused or contributed to by a poor operational decision, error or an omission made in the course of The Contractor's service delivery. PI will cover that.

If some other form of insurance is available that covers damage to an aircraft The Contractor doesn't own but is using in the course of his business, then that would probably be more suitable. Not sure if hull insurance covers that sort of thing, but there may be some insurance product out there that does.

Does public liability cover it? Maybe, but you'd have to check the terms and conditions carefully. Often public liability claims may only be actioned to cover injury or damage to third parties, ie an entity that has suffered loss or damage, but is not a party to a contract or transaction (say, a member of the public - hence it's name).