EY Safety Survey

[Hoggtart]

This should be interesting, who will have the balls to put true responses and not what they think management would like to hear just to protect their 'future' and or their career advancement! Given that a true picture is given it will be of even greater interest to see how and what the company does to rectify the situation..........

[EY346Driver]

I second that one. I refuse to give extra effort so management can get a bonus in addition to their already "fat cat" salaries. OTP? Inshalla

[Sir Osis of the river]

I stand to be corrected, but I don't think ASR's are confidential. I seem to remeber there is a distribution list as to who sees them, before they are de-identified and then filed for record keeping, etc.

Maybe someone from the safety dept. could enlighten us?

[shortfuel]

Indeed Osis...OM-A 2.3.2.6.

ACM, you can always submit an anonymous Occurrence Report if you don't want to see your name on everybody's desk...but this is not meant to replace ASR filing.

[Hoggtart]

While I agree with Nightfire and EY346Driver, goodwill is gone I feel that with regard to the Safety Survey, if it is not completed by all the company will take that as a sign that all is 'well', and nothing will be done. As we all know it is not. Safety is an issue as you are aware that does not just impact on EY, if something does go wrong then it is likely that there would be collateral damage on a huge scale, and no pilot or aviation professional wants that on his or her conscience. My hope is that the survey will reflect the dissatisfaction of how safety is being abused particularly on the A320 fleet. If the survey is conducted properly then it is more than likely that the GCAA and possibly other authorities will get involved. For my part I have kept a copy of my form and additional information (with examples) and if nothing is done and should something happen in the future I will be able to at least offer my copy to the official's concerned. Call it an insurance policy!
For the rest of it I agree working to rule or the letter of your contract is all that the company are entitled to, they have certainly not gone the extra mile for us.

Happy New Year Guys.....:D

[sandyballs]

ASR are deidentified before distribution, even to the GCAA.
That is a fact!:ok:

[shortfuel]

how safety is being abused particularly on the A320 fleet

Any facts on that (apart from the fact that rosters could be legal but "unsafe")?

[Hoggtart]

how about an FO that reported Fatigued and was requested to attend HQ and intimidated into retracting his Fatigue and flying his duty, or is that safe?

[shortfuel]

Based on your sole statement, it is a case of abuse.
Having called sick would have saved him a ride to HQ...

[Pitch Up Authority]

I sincerely think that the DGCA has evolved a lot over recent times.

Our problem is that in our job we are too advanced, compared to other professions, as far as human factors is concerned (error management).

The consequence of all this is that we expect others to be/do the same, it makes us rightfully too sensitive if we see that we stand all alone.

Things can improve as long as there are no traces on paper, that's how it works.

Good luck

[Hoggtart]

Sick is not the same as fatigue. Talk with an aeromedical doctor if you wish, I have both in the UAE and the UK. Any one can call sick but being responsible enough to say one is fatigued demonstrates a responsible individual. The 320 fleet with EY spends most of its time operating thru the night. Each pilots situation is different some have young families and resting can be problamatic, some are older and cope badly with lack of sleep this is made worse by operating almost constant nights. Some of the flights undertaken often involve a long sector and then on some occasions up to 3 hours on the ground until its time to get going again.
If it is as you put it a case of 'abuse' then is it not a 'safety' issue, this was just one example there are many more.

[fractional]

Sick is not the same as fatigueTRUE! To the Crew Control guys anywhere, sick will do it and fatigue won't. Wherever the word fatigue is thouroughly understood, there is way of keeping an eye on the fatigued crews and see how many times the fatigue occurs.

[Mr Angry from Purley]

HoggTart

If a pilot reports fatigued then is sent to HR that may or may not be perceived to be the correct form of action. In theory a Fatigue Risk Mgmt System (if in place) has the procedures to be followed by crew and the Company. In my airline we do ask the Pilots to call the duty pilot if fatigued (as it could be the case he/she is downroute and in theory it should not be seen as harmfull for a Pilot to speak to their Manager as I would do if i reported sick/fatigued). However, the main reason we ask them to call their Manager is they sometimes change their mind (i've had two cases of sick and despatching a biz jet only for the pilot involved to change his mind)

I would say however it takes a brave person to call fatigued in this day and age although things are slowly changing. It has to be said a lot of fatigue calls are made after mistakes are made, the problem is getting the pilots to put their hands up before it reaches this stage. If HR have set upon this chap then any FRMS in place has been blown away.
The safety survey should be made public, and will be a real test for the Airline EY when the results are published. And if the results aren't like the survey won't be published!.:\

[Kimiciwa]

Just dropped mine today, hopefully my ink didn't go to waste.
it was a good killing time exercise over the subcont....:ok: