Fly Runwway Track

[noperf]

Departing OMSJ recently tower cleared us for takeoff and amended our clearance to "fly runway track" or something along those lines. Did they actually mean the track of the runway course or is this another way to say fly runway heading?

[godu]

In some countries like Australia, u are expected to fly a ground track. Possibly cause of the fmc usage. Just as an input , during a G/A the AP maintains the last ground track, so you got to have ure hdg on course on the app. any comments?:ok:

[Old Smokey]

"Fly Runway Track" means exactly that, you are required to follow the Track of the extended Runway centre-line. As noted earlier, this particularly applies in Australia, but is by no means limited to that country.

Similarly, "Fly Runway Heading" means exactly that, you are required to follow the Heading of the Runway direction.

If you do not have the equipment to enable you to fly Track, your response to ATC should be "Unable to comply", their separation standards are based upon it.

Regards,

Old Smokey

[eckhard]

In the UK, the term 'Climb straight ahead' is also used by ATC.

This means that you must follow the runway centreline and adjust for wind.

Eck

[galaxy flyer]

This might be a generational thing! I can still remember by first instructor 40 years ago pointing how amateurish my take-off looked as I didn't apply crab for the wind. I was still figuring out why rudder wouldn't fix it.

It still looks, to me, very untidy to lift-off and drift downwind, not matter what the ATC instruction is.

GF

[DutchBird-757]

The BAe 146 RJ has a function called 'TKOF TRK'. Passing 80kts the aircraft will use the direction in which the nose in pointing and apply that as runway track. So providing your going straight down the rwy at 80kts you'll climb out on runway track if you follow the flight directors. Very convenient on those windy days. :ok:


Any other aircraft with similar functions? (I've only flown the RJ to date)

[tom775257]

DB-757, On the Airbus 320 and I assume 330/340 if you twiddle the heading knob before you roll, once you're airborne you will be in runway track mode. You would then need to select (pull on the knob) heading mode if that is what you want (you can preselect the heading before you roll if required).

Cheers.

[Intruder]

In the UK, the term 'Climb straight ahead' is also used by ATC.

This means that you must follow the runway centreline and adjust for wind.
In the past, a couple degrees of drift didn't make much difference to ATC. However, these days it seems that anything more than 5' (1.5 M) deviation is cause for alarm, so the UK's "climb straight ahead" is needlessly confusing.

Most of us know how to "fly runway heading" and "fly runway track." What is the official CAA definition of "climb straight ahead"? If there is none, it should not be used, unless ATC doesn't care one way or the other...

[Dan Winterland]

PANSOPS requires you to maintain runway track (ie drift corrected) if "Runway Track" or "Runway Heading" is asked for. TERPS requires the non drift corrected heading to be flown.

TERPS airfields are North, Central and South America, Japan, Taiwan and Korea (except ICN and GMP). PANSOPS are everyone else, including OMSJ.

As mentioned, some aircraft will maintain runway track, such as the Airbus FBW types where the FMA is actually RWY TRK. The 744's I used to fly knew where you where and applied the relavant procedure.

This has been done to death before - try a search.

[Capn Bloggs]

The BAe 146 RJ has a function called 'TKOF TRK'. Passing 80kts the aircraft will use the direction in which the nose in pointing and apply that as runway track. So providing your going straight down the rwy at 80kts you'll climb out on runway track if you follow the flight directors. Very convenient on those windy days.
It works very well in the RJ. The 717 has a similar system but goes to Heading when airborne and very quickly slides off the extended CL at the slightest hint of changing wind. WOFTAM. The pilot has to pull TRK to make it stay "maintaining runway track". :{

[172_driver]

PANSOPS requires you to maintain runway track (ie drift corrected) if "Runway Track" or "Runway Heading" is asked for. TERPS requires the non drift corrected heading to be flown.

I admit I haven't checked personally (don't have the copies), but was told in another discussion that both PANS-OPS and PANS-ATM (Doc. 4444) says specifically:

Correct for known or estimated wind except when:
- being radar vectored
- cleared "runway heading"

[Pontius's Copilot]

Many years ago as we backtracked the runway at a downtown airport in Northern Ireland, we were told "After departure climb straight ahead on the runway heading". I asked if he meant straight ahead or maintain the runway heading ... the response: "Yes, yes, climb straight ahead. On the runway heading."

[HEATHROW DIRECTOR]

"Track" and "heading" are quite different and should be understood by both controllers and pilots.

I always specified a definite heading because I and the pilot knew exactly what was meant and I could take wind into account to ensure that the aeroplane went where I wanted it to go. E.g "Cleared for take-off, fly heading 250 degrees".

[ozineurope]

In Perth, WA, the term "maintain runway track" was introduced to allow the departures controller to cancel and aircraft's SID on the ground and fly the runway track.

This was necessary as a number of the SIDs are designed to take aircraft around the Pearce restricted areas and have multiple VNAV and a number of heading changes. When the RAAF are not there we needed to be able to track shorten and let aircraft do what they needed to on departure.

ATC may not radar vector an aircraft below the MVA, if the aircraft cannot do its own terrain clearance e.g. by night or poor vis/low cloud. So a little creative thinking, all the radar SIDs are based on firstly maintain runway track (PH2 e.g.) using the obs clearance and tracks in the radar SIDs, we were able to introduce "cancel SID, maintain runway track.." for the 03 deps north and the 21 deps west.

Also this allows us to comply with noise abatement procedures and transition the aircraft from runway track to either direct tracking to the next waypoint or onto a heading.

[Microburst2002]

Unambiguous. That is how all instructions should be.

To me, heading is heading and track is track. End of story.
The FMS departure procedures, when flown in LNAV, contain both track and heading legs, as in the published ones. In the first, track is maintained. In the latter, heading is maintained regardless of wind.

Doing one way or the other may seem quite irrelevant most of the times, but in a strong crosswind day with paralel runways or a nearby airport or some noise sensitive area it is relevant to do it in the correct manner.

[Jumbo Driver]

Let's get back to the original question.

Departing OMSJ recently tower cleared us for takeoff and amended our clearance to "fly runway track" or something along those lines. Did they actually mean the track of the runway course or is this another way to say fly runway heading?

As always, the phraseology used is critical. Unfortunately, if you can't accurately quote the clearance given in your question, how on earth can we discuss what was actually meant? Having said that, I really cannot understand why it has prompted all this discussion.


Fly Runway Heading after take-off, means fly the QFU (magnetic alignment) of the runway as a heading after take-off (i.e. do not correct for drift),


Fly Runway Track, or Maintain Runway Centreline after take-off both mean exactly that, i.e. fly a heading which causes you to track the runway extended centreline (i.e. do correct for drift).


I have to say that, in over 40 years of flying, I've never had a problem with this. As always, if there is any ambiguity in a clearance, you should clarify exactly what is meant before you accept it.


JD
:)

[fireflybob]

Discussed previously:-

Maintain Runway Heading (http://www.pprune.org/atc-issues/375304-maintain-runway-heading.html)

[noperf]

The ILS 27 at EHAM has a missed approach requirement to maintain runway track. This isn't an RNAV approach. How is this to be done?

[bfisk]

PANSOPS requires you to maintain runway track (ie drift corrected) if "Runway Track" or "Runway Heading" is asked for.
Negative!
Correct for known or estimated wind except when:
- being radar vectored
- cleared "runway heading"
is correct.


Wrt track straight ahead after an ILS approach;
You could, although not completely by the book, use the localiser back beam, or fly the same heading as you had on the approach, as the wind is likely to be similar on the missed approach as on the final approach. Also, at least in Norway, since all IFR aircraft are required to have RNAV over FL95, you would indeed have a track readout in most aircraft, or the ability to create a phantom point as an extension of the runway, to give you (although somewhat crude) track guidance. You are allowed to do it as long as PRNAV is not required, too...

[SMOC]

Our company manual has the following:

If a SID or Departure Clearance specifies ‘Maintain Runway Heading’ it is implied that a drift correction will be applied in order to maintain the runway track.

Exceptions − USA, Canada and Australia require that Runway Heading be maintained without drift correction.

So in a Boeing deselect LNAV and depart with TOGA to maintain runway track.

or in the USA, CAN, AUS select HDG SEL on the ground or @ 400' AGL to fly HDG.

[Intruder]

So in a Boeing deselect LNAV and depart with TOGA to maintain runway track.
Not necessarily...

If the SID is coded for runway track, then arming LNAV is the proper procedure (744).

Know your system, know your Jepps, and know your procedures!

[Busserday]

Good point using TOGA, the track issue does not seem well defined in my company and intervention is not necessarily the most efficient method of obtaining runway track.
BD

[SMOC]

Intruder,

I did mean If cleared for take off and you're told "maintain runway heading" which I should have clarified.

[Jumbo Driver]

Our company manual has the following:

If a SID or Departure Clearance specifies ‘Maintain Runway Heading’ it is implied that a drift correction will be applied in order to maintain the runway track.

I don't see how this can possibly be correct. If it really says that, I think your company manual is wrong.

Heading is heading and track is track; they are quite separate. Except when there is no crosswind component, they will always be different.


JD
:)

[Jumbo Driver]

SMOC, maybe you (and others) are confusing this with "Climb Straight Ahead", which is defined (UK) in both CAP413 (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP413.PDF) and CAP493 (http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/CAP493Part1.pdf) as having the following meaning ...

Straight Ahead When used in departure clearances means: 'track extended runway centreline'. When given in Missed Approach Procedures means: 'continue on Final Approach Track'.


JD
:)

[SMOC]

Nope not confused, just towing the company line, for example often departing Taipei / Manila / Jakarta we are cleared "runway hdg" we depart in TOGA to maintain runway track however all flying in the US the same instruction we use HDG SEL. "Climb straight ahead" we would use TOGA for track again.

[Intruder]

That phrase is not in the US Pilot/Controller Glossary, so the UK CAPs are "new information" for US pilots.

From FAA Order 8260.46C, Departure Procedure Program, page 10, par. 10.g(4):
g. Terminology. The following terminology should be used for initial climb instructions:

"(4) Do not use the terminology "Climb straight ahead…" or "Maintain runway
track...," as there is no guidance or reference definition of this phraseology for the pilot to apply."

[RAT 5]

TOGA: correct; it maintains rwy C.L. after lift off in B757/767. However, B737's depart in HDG SEL. Other types are a mystery to me.

Mod's could perhaps combine this thread with the other associated thread which is running in //.

[fastcruise]

It should be track, all clearences from terrain/ obstructions after take off assume that you are following the extended centreline (or trying to!!). Look up the diagrammatic description for TODA and TORA in your regs.

[in FACT is]

same case as stated in the most JEP'S approach chart in missed approach it say "climb straight ahead then......"

if you are in ND and MAP mode, setting the HDG bug to runway heading (the number) or set HDG bug to your Heading Pointer ?????:confused:

[Jumbo Driver]

same case as stated in the most JEP'S approach chart in missed approach it say "climb straight ahead then......"

if you are in ND and MAP mode, setting the HDG bug to runway heading (the number) or set HDG bug to your Heading Pointer ?????:confused:

A "climb straight ahead then ..." clearance is to initially maintain runway extended centreline (i.e. a track). Therefore, the general Boeing answer to this is to use TO/GA, because this will provide the AP/FD with steering commands to maintain ground track. When airborne, you can align the HDG SEL to the achieved heading as you wish.

JD
:)