Great North Air Ambulance....... [Archive]

capt tosspot

10th Dec 2009, 16:38

As far as I know BO105 went off line in April. Was brought back to cover gap when MAS arrived to remove 902 from Teesside in november when they found that contract wasn't being renewed and Dauphin in Cumbria was down for maint. GNAAS has been running without a helo based in Northumbria for 6 months.

I believe Multiflight have been chosen to supply N2 Dauph or two. Dont know what will happen to GHEMS (N1 Dauphin) or PDG.

Maybe they looking to go down to 2 aircraft? Two fast Dauphs could cover whole of area along with NWAA two plus the 2 from W Yorks and Sheffield.

ab33t

10th Dec 2009, 16:49

Smoke and mirrors at the moment

Barshifter

10th Dec 2009, 17:05

Wonder if Multiflight will be buying the Sunday newspaper:}

YouTube - Eurocopter Dauphin N2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gMtSzQAV9s&feature=channel)

3gMtSzQAV9s&feature=channel

peterprobe

10th Dec 2009, 18:17

Seems like a huge gap in coverage then. For quite a long time really, Unless that was planned by the directors? Or has some one royally screwed up there ? Bet their front line staff are happy teddies!!

MINself

10th Dec 2009, 18:50

Anyone know or wants to let on as to why the 902 contract wasn't renewed or at least extened, if that was an option, before a replacement aircraft was available???

Max Shutterspeed

10th Dec 2009, 21:25

All seems quite sad to read about, really. I've flown with Cumbria and Teesside guys once and they were great people to spend time with, proud to have spent time with them.

Hope it all gets sorted. A shot from G-HEMS here:

http://www.neillwatson.com/wp-content/uploads/9dcw5596a.jpg

Car People | Neill Watson - Part 4 (http://www.neillwatson.com/category/people/page/4/)

And MD902 crew G-GNAA on scene here:

http://www.neillwatson.com/wp-content/uploads/1025384a.jpg

Car People | Neill Watson - Part 5 (http://www.neillwatson.com/category/people/page/5/)

capt tosspot

10th Dec 2009, 21:44

Looks like a run down towards Keswick - fabulous shot, must have triple sprocket filter on. GHEMS went out to Montserrat to help out after the volcano went up then owned by Bajan. Was in a bit of a 2 and 8 when PDG got it, but had good tidy up and new tail fin (another story) and spent happy 4 years flying round the Lakes - Maybe heading for pastures new?

Max Shutterspeed

10th Dec 2009, 21:58

Thanks, Capt.

Have seen the shots of the rebuild & tailfin story. I've more GNAA shots, will try and add a little more if time permits / anyone interested.

MS

JulieAndrews

11th Dec 2009, 08:44

don't know about you but I think thread is developing nicely........
patience.....or should that be 'patients' (see what I did there?)

hoepefully, someone will fill us in on what happened when likely contensers, PDG, arranged for GNAAS to look at a Dauphin down at Multiflight..........oh, they already have!

capt tosspot

11th Dec 2009, 09:07

Re Minselfs thought on contract. It seems daft to have let the 902 be removed by MAS without having anything to replace it, especially when this meant that the only cover for the whole of the GNAA area would be the Dauphin over in Cumbria (until it went tech). I assume that you would know when a contract was due to end and make provision ie start planning 12 - 18 months before? Its not as if they havent set up contracts before.

Maybe they are looking at funding income and really pushing on the price and numbers of aircraft. 3 aircraft is a lot to support in an area of low population. Hopefully we are just in the dark and there is some detailed planning behind it.

Best wishes to the MAS and PDG pilots who have put such a lot into it and I hope you are sorted in new posts.

Flaxton Flyer

11th Dec 2009, 09:45

3 aircraft is a lot to support in an area of low population.

You are assuming that they are fundraising within their own area and not considering the adjoining AA catchment areas as fair game.....

MINself

11th Dec 2009, 09:51

Couldn't agree more Capt T - Not a great time to be job hunting :(

timex

11th Dec 2009, 10:01

MAS guy was sorted by the Co. and is now in another MAS post.

Flaxton Flyer

11th Dec 2009, 10:08

MAS guy was sorted by the Co. and is now in another MAS post

In fact occupying a seat that your own skinny backside would not be unfamiliar with, MINself !!

MINself

11th Dec 2009, 10:27

Thats excellent news ff :D V. pleased for him - Its a grand seat too, all be it, a little bit too over used for my liking!

BTW great TV!!!

Flaxton Flyer

11th Dec 2009, 10:57

TV stuff going upmarket with new HD camera kit being fitted for the next two series. I think there is talk of getting James Cameron to direct series 7 in 3D, or better still Gerry Anderson in Supermarionation...

Max Shutterspeed

11th Dec 2009, 11:06

MAS guy was sorted by the Co. and is now in another MAS post

In fact occupying a seat that your own skinny backside would not be unfamiliar with, MINself !!

If it's who I'm thinking of, I'm glad to hear it.

N707ZS

11th Dec 2009, 11:20

Heard 3 new or used AS365Ns are on order first one for Teesside in January second Carlisle and 3 eventually to replace old HEMS. Someone on the inside must know.

TorqueOfTheDevil

11th Dec 2009, 14:41

3 aircraft is a lot to support in an area of low population

Indeed - and given the other helos available in the GNAAS's patch, maybe running 3 air ambulances is an unnecessary luxury in the first place?

Barshifter

11th Dec 2009, 15:20

N707ZS wrote
"Heard 3 new or used AS365Ns are on order first one for Teesside in January second Carlisle and 3 eventually to replace old HEMS. Someone on the inside must know"

Indeed they do appear on here from time to time masquerading as "GAAS PR"

Flaxton Flyer

11th Dec 2009, 19:38

Just to help you along, here's a clue regarding the ID of the previous owner of the first helicopter slated for GNAS...

"xxxxxxxxxxx born 14 December 1979 in Chester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chester)) is an English (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England) professional footballer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_football) who plays as a striker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_(association_football)) for Manchester United (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_United_F.C.).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Owen#cite_note-1)
The son of a former footballer, xxxxx began his senior career at Liverpool (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_F.C.) in 1996. He progressed through the Liverpool youth team and scored on his debut in May 1997. In his first full season in the Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League) he finished as joint top scorer. He repeated the feat the following year and was Liverpool's top goal scorer from 1997–2004, in spite of a recurring hamstring (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamstring) injury. His first major club honours came in 2001 when Liverpool won a cup treble of the UEFA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Cup), FA Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup) and Football League Cup (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_League_Cup), and xxxxx was the recipient of the Ballon d'Or (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballon_d%27Or_2001) that year. He went on to score 118 goals in 216 appearances in the English Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Premier_League) for Liverpool"

DeltaNg

11th Dec 2009, 20:44

It make sense to have 3 aircraft all the same type. Why not 3 x 902 's???

timex

11th Dec 2009, 21:50

GNAA didn't want 3 of the same type in case of a common fault occurring so they....oh bugger!

PANews

11th Dec 2009, 22:33

It may be a matter of initial economics.

Finding 3 similar MD902 in the market will be more difficult than finding 3 AS365N series. Around 100 of the MD 900 and 902 were built and over 800 of the AS365 family... though probably not many more than about 400 in the selected AS354N slot, still probably ten times as many.

Either way a customer looking for 3 of anything rare - and the 902 is rare - will find prices climbing.....

I assume that new is out of the question for GNAA.

That said the Euro in Eurocopter is an expensive spares option when compared with the Do$$ar in the MD so first savings may be added costs later.

Flaxton Flyer

12th Dec 2009, 07:27

Either way a customer looking for 3 of anything rare - and the 902 is rare - will find prices climbing.....

True, but they already had one, Lincs and Notts are in the queue for a new one so LNAA will be available before too long and PAS will be servicing the Trinity House contract with another. So they are out there.

Perhaps the future plan calls for more inter-hospital transfers where the speed and endurance of the Dauphin will be superior to the 902?

They obviously haven't chosen them for their all-terrain capability...

DeltaNg

12th Dec 2009, 08:35

Surely the Trinity helicopter will be busy doing lighthouses..

Flaxton Flyer

12th Dec 2009, 10:20

Surely the Trinity helicopter will be busy doing lighthouses

Indeed it will. But my point was that if GNAA had been seriously looking for 902's it was out there and available before PAS claimed it for TH.

nodrama

12th Dec 2009, 11:12

ah, but the rumour is that PAS have yet to acquire a 902 for Trinity House...and for Essex AA....which brings us back to the point that 902s aren't easy to come by.

Flaxton Flyer

12th Dec 2009, 11:48

Fair point! I'm sure they will be happy with their Dauphin fleet.

MINself

12th Dec 2009, 12:13

When will that be though!

IMHO, sounds like a poorly actioned transition from one provider of aircraft and support to another, as in between time, the AA cover in that neck of the woods will undoubtedly be effected.

Just as well there's excellent mutual support to fill the gap until they've sorted themselves out.

capt tosspot

12th Dec 2009, 13:15

I would have thought cover has been affected. The Northumbrian Bolkow was taken off line in April as it was said to be too small (short BO) to do effective work. Response to Northumbria meant ac transitting from either Penrith or Teesside. Also if Cumbria machine is at Berwick (see YouTube) how does it then cover bottom end of Cumbria - what do local fundraisers think of this? Are they aware?

In Nov the 902 was lost as the new contract had not been sorted. Compounded by Cumbrian Dauphin going off line.

The Bolkow was brought out of mothballs to cover whole area for around 4 weeks while Dauph fixed. During recent Cumbria floods the NWAA had a machine based up by Cockermouth to help out.

I believe WYAA also relocated to Bagby to cover top end of Yorks and coast. Nice to see this cross cover, but could it have been avoided by bit more forethought?

MINself

12th Dec 2009, 13:49

I guess that's what happens when those that make critical decisions in AA charities have a limited background in aviation and make poor decisions in the hope "it'll be awright" because everyone will bend over backwards to bridge the problem brought about by their inadequacies.

Let's hope the good folk of the North are extra safe whilst they're out and about until this debacle gets sorted.

Flaxton Flyer

13th Dec 2009, 09:37

Capt. T -

"I believe WYAA also relocated to Bagby to cover top end of Yorks and coast"

Small but important point - There is no West Yorkshire Air Ambulance. The Yorkshire Air Ambulance covers the whole county and the Airdesk will task the Teesside-based Northumbria Air Ambulance (oops sorry Great North Air Ambulance...) into Yorkshire as and when required.

The Bagby base was set up some time before GNAA's current woes, in order to get quicker response to the outlying areas of the county.

FF

scottishbeefer

13th Dec 2009, 10:09

Since there's some obvious expertise posting here - what's the line in the sand for Air Ambulance ops? I attended a job in the Lakes area recently (last 6 months) to find an air ambo had already lifted and shifted 5 MRT onto the hill.

SB

jayteeto

13th Dec 2009, 15:26

No willy waving SB, I am just about to transfer from police to Ambo and if we are on scene first and we can help to speed things up, we will. Subject to rules of course. There is no desire to replace SAR, just as you would take one of our patients to hospital if we were a distance away :ok:

Fortyodd2

13th Dec 2009, 15:29

Minself,
"I guess that's what happens when those that make critical decisions in AA charities have a limited background in aviation and make poor decisions in the hope "it'll be awright" because everyone will bend over backwards to bridge the problem brought about by their inadequacies".

Delete "AA charities" and insert "Police Aviation" and you are still correct! :(

timex

13th Dec 2009, 15:40

No GNAA this afternoon, so casevac done by Police Heli..

Barshifter

13th Dec 2009, 16:20

Timex

"No GNAA this afternoon, so casevac done by Police Heli.. "

Dauphin was on task in Cumbria this afternoon(Sun).

timex

13th Dec 2009, 16:38

Apparently went U/S later on....

peterprobe

13th Dec 2009, 18:34

They can get used to that, Dauphin great machine in it's day, but HEMS ?? nah

QTG

13th Dec 2009, 19:15

"They can get used to that, Dauphin great machine in it's day, but HEMS ?? nah"

And that's the problem - marvellous aircraft the Dauphin, but for HEMS - I don't think so. Even worse than the 109!

wallsend

14th Dec 2009, 09:47

Unfortunately "GNAA" seems to stand for "Got No Air Ambulances" a lot at the moment. They have a Skoda Estate though.

peterprobe

14th Dec 2009, 14:55

Haha sad but true. But calling a Dauphin a skoda estate is a bit harsh:) Bolkow yes. I think Dauphin is more in line with Ferrari........ fast but not that practical!!!. Yes I know you meant the car unit.

Rowan J

15th Dec 2009, 23:01

Very confusing for a newbie...

So how does it work with HEMS in the UK? Do the charities work independently and make their own tendering choices or are there regional/national health service contracts?

Bertie Thruster

16th Dec 2009, 10:40

So how does it work with HEMS in the UK? Do the charities work independently and make their own tendering choices or are there regional/national health service contracts?

Mostly explained here:

http://www.airambulanceassociation.co.uk/framework.pdf

Barshifter

17th Dec 2009, 14:29

For all you Dauphin-sceptics

Heres a quick tour of G-HEMS of The GNAA

BBC News - Tour around an air ambulance (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8414207.stm)

Bertie Thruster

17th Dec 2009, 19:00

Why no 'shock in flight' capability for the Dauphin?

[email protected]

18th Dec 2009, 04:24

Bertie - how come they can't even spell foreword (they use foreward) properly - doesn't set a very good tone for the rest of the document:)

Bertie Thruster

18th Dec 2009, 08:25

NHS, Crab. Got 'wards' on the brain! :8

Bertie Thruster

18th Dec 2009, 14:06

Not GNAA. Just LNAA out and about today. Happy Christmas!

http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i97/nmhsu/AIRCRAFTSPECDRAWING4006.jpg

Thud_and_Blunder

18th Dec 2009, 16:23

Well, that trip takes care of next years LNAA Chrimbo card and a future PPRuNe calendar page in one go! Very nice - got the exposure/white balance just right in my opinion.

Bertie Thruster

18th Dec 2009, 17:55

Thud, it's difficult to go wrong with a good looking model!

But thanks for the approval:O

Barshifter

18th Dec 2009, 19:03

Thud, it's difficult to go wrong with a good looking model!

I must agree,heres one from the NWAA Callender

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/Barshifter/TH0_310200811Janmedia.jpg

ShyTorque

18th Dec 2009, 22:50

I find that last photo slightly disappointing. You can't see her quick release box.

500e

19th Dec 2009, 10:25

I suppose she was rescued due to hypothermia, there is still a slightly blue tinge :=

Ah well back to the thread

helimutt

19th Dec 2009, 10:39

She's certainly a big old unit!

cockney git

19th Dec 2009, 10:49

'I take it that they are still only operating on 1 A/C then?'

Take a look at their website.. Very misleading to the public!!
Still says 3 aircraft!. Been down to 2 since april, and only 1
for the last 2 months!!

Naughty :=

Rowan J

21st Dec 2009, 22:36

Thanks for the link Bertie,

Interesting but still confusing. Seems to me that there are a mix of operating charities and grant giving charities - with the operating charities running their own services and the grant giving charities giving funds to ambulance services which also run their own services - but all within a pretty woolly operating framework and all of them making individual decisions rather than operating as a consortium.

That don't make much sense!

Interesting thread (in more ways than one).

JulieAndrews

22nd Dec 2009, 16:58

......my point exactly!
whole arrangement seems very 'hit n miss'

Barshifter

2nd Jan 2010, 23:29

Not LNAA.Just GNAA. Happy New Year!!

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/Barshifter/G-HEMS-1.jpg

TorqueOfTheDevil

2nd Jan 2010, 23:43

Take a look at their website.. Very misleading to the public!!
Still says 3 aircraft!. Been down to 2 since april, and only 1
for the last 2 months!!

Naughty http://1.2.3.13/bmi/www.pprune.org/forums/images/smilies2/eusa_naughty.gif

Very true.

what do local fundraisers think of this? Are they aware?

I would bet my bottom dollar that they'll have been kept in the dark about this...

Bob the Doc

3rd Jan 2010, 07:19

If their charitable and operational people work as closely together as we do in the East Mids, you can be sure that the charity are very aware of how many a/c they are operating at the moment.

peterprobe

3rd Jan 2010, 23:21

From what I gather from a mate of mate who knows a mate !!! The whole thing is a cluster!!! It was MAS with a 902 ( which they had a good deal with, some times contracts involve a bit more than money!!! ) then as always and quite rightly the charity looked around at this and that............ they wanted 2 902 s and a the Dauphin. Good call mixed fleet etc etc. MR PDG turned up and offered 2 902 s and pilotage and tech support which went tits up, then they said two Dauphins, then Mr Multifllight turned up and said hmmmmmmmmmm a Dauphin and pilots and engineer support we can do that. Now that may be a good thing a new player on the block etc etc. But through out this whole load of bollocks those paras and Docs have been manning a car and Yorkshire Air Ambo and the guys and gals from over the western side have covered their area. I am not in the game but I would be HUGELY annoyed at the people who are paid to sort this mess out BEFORE it comes to a head like this. My mate of mate etc is fuming............ cause he has seen a great and good thing being dragged down badly................ After a very drunken new year and his rantings........ I agree with him. But I am sure there are far more clever ans in the game people out there who will set me right

Barshifter

4th Jan 2010, 17:03

Yes NWAA often seen in South Lakes and have even been known to venture deep into GNAA territory.Just had a quick look on their website and it's showing a video of them in action at Junc 40 of the M6.If my geography serves me right that the Penrith Junction which is only 4 miles from GNAA's operating base!!

BuVWbhd3PWA

North West Air Ambulance › Videos › Videos (http://www.northwestairambulance.com/videos/)

Flaxton Flyer

5th Jan 2010, 15:24

Barshifter - last I heard GNAA were based at Carlisle Airport - so no, I don't think your geography has served you well! :)

timex

5th Jan 2010, 15:57

Max Shutterspeed

5th Jan 2010, 17:39

GNAA were based at Langwathby (nr Penrith) up until a week or so ago? The Air Ambulance from Otterburn (when covering the area) used to work from Carlisle. I think Carlisle is just a convenient stop for Fuel and the Cafe...

When I spent time with then around 12 months ago, G-HEMS was permanently at Carlisle, the 902 was at Teesside and the 105 was at Otterburn.

Barshifter

5th Jan 2010, 18:00

G-HEMS was moved to Langwathby Nov 08

News & Star | News | New base for Cumbria's air ambulance (http://www.news-and-star.co.uk/news/new_base_for_cumbria_s_air_ambulance_1_267171?referrerPath=h ome/news_star_search_results_page_2_1962)

capt tosspot

5th Jan 2010, 19:36

As of last week when I was chatting there is STILL only the Dauphin flying in the GNAA 'fleet'. Bolkow was pulled from Otterburn around april 09, 902 from Teesside in Nov 09. Much talk of 'new' Dauphin arriving this month via Multiflight to back up GHEMS (and presumably take PDG contract) but nothing seen. Dont know if any of you guys have heard anything about M Owens old ship or LN-OLE ?

Areas best kept secret.. well from public at least. :oh:

All the best to PDG crews - hang on in there, its nice to see you guys flying over.

Flaxton Flyer

6th Jan 2010, 07:17

Barshifter - apologies mate, I bow to your superior geographical knowledge! Maybe somebody should have told their Webmaster, who still, like me, has them down as operating from Carlisle Airport.

I saw the ex-lame duck Man Utd striker's Dauphin landing at LBA the other day after a trip to the paint shop for a change of colour scheme. The original PAS-supllied 902 is being re-registered so I would guess that the Dauphin may be taking over the GNAA reg.

Thud_and_Blunder

6th Jan 2010, 09:36

I would guess that the Dauphin may be taking over the GNAA reg.

Can't be done in this country, FF - reg's are allocated once only AFAIK.

All the best to Pat, Sam and the other workers who had to put up with me during my all-too-few chances to fly in your wonderful part of the world.

md 600 driver

6th Jan 2010, 11:01

thud
registrations can normally only be reissued to the same airframe
[ghems already has a reissued ghems registration from the time in came back to uk from the carribian ]

i say normally as i belive that some special registrations have been moved to different airframes but you could count on one hand the times it has happened

Barshifter

6th Jan 2010, 14:03

Think the new Manx Registration is transferable from aircraft to aircraft.

vortexadminman

6th Jan 2010, 21:45

this whole thing rymes with ............ buster!! does it not .

md 600 driver

7th Jan 2010, 08:41

yes manx do but could you use a manx registered one for hems or even public transport on a aoc for a aircraft based solely in the uk

any one got the answer ???

Flaxton Flyer

7th Jan 2010, 09:05

Hi Thud. All the best for 2010 mate. Pat is no longer with us having returned to road ambulance duties full-time, and Sammy is full-time on the Sheffield ASU so I don't see much of her either. However, she did make a fleeting appearance on last night's national 6 o'clock news!

Barshifter

8th Feb 2010, 15:29

New GNAA helo seen here without its new Reg/Graphics

UK Emergency Aviation - Air Ambulance Gallery - G-MLTY (G-NHAA) (http://www.ukemergencyaviation.co.uk/G-MLTY-Ambulance.htm)

http://www.ukemergencyaviation.co.uk/user/cimage/G-MLTY-001.jpg

Flaxton Flyer

9th Feb 2010, 14:29

TTT

The operation will be running on M-Flight's AOC, so yes they will be using their own pilots.

Barshifter

23rd Feb 2010, 13:56

Looks like GNAA having a bad week.North West Air Ambulance(Blackpool) stepping in to cover two big jobs in Cumbria again.Both in the Penrith area.

News & Star | News | Two men in intensive care after avalanche near Penrith (http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/two-men-in-intensive-care-after-avalanche-near-penrith-1.675531?referrerPath=news)

News & Star | News | Man airlifted to Carlisle hospital with serious head injuries after car crash (http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/man-airlifted-to-carlisle-hospital-with-serious-head-injuries-after-car-crash-1.675615?referrerPath=news)

Not the best news for their PR Lady!

icantfindagoodname

24th Feb 2010, 02:13

Nope, Cumbria is NWAA patch.

NWAS covers Merseyside, Cheshire, Greater Manchester, Lancashire and Cumbria.

Ambulance Stations (http://www.nwas.nhs.uk/internet/Performance/Facts/AmbulanceStations/tabid/185/Default.aspx)

and

Air Ambulance (http://www.nwas.nhs.uk/internet/Services/AirAmbulance/tabid/128/Default.aspx)

which says "The North West Air Ambulance (NWAA) is a unique regional medical air emergency service covering Lancashire, Greater Manchester, Cheshire, Merseyside and Cumbria.... since 1999"

FloaterNorthWest

24th Feb 2010, 09:40

Md600,

You can't do public transport on the Manx register, it isn't allowed in their ANO.

FNW

JulieAndrews

24th Feb 2010, 12:31

Multiflight charter pilots doing HEMS - is that a pay cut then?

FloaterNorthWest

24th Feb 2010, 12:49

No just using the available assets and more flying for them :}

FNW

Max Shutterspeed

17th Mar 2010, 15:32

Is the 'new' Dauphin now working? Seen one spearing towards the James Cook helipad a few times this last few days. Didn't know if it was G-HEMS from Cumbria.
Considerably easier to hear coming than the MD902...

Barshifter

17th Mar 2010, 16:05

Local press running this photo over the weekend.Not sure how old the picture is.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/Barshifter/G-NHAA.jpg

Michael Owen’s helicopter to be air ambulance - Sunday Sun (http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/03/07/michael-owen-s-helicopter-to-be-air-ambulance-79310-25977687/)

Max Shutterspeed

17th Mar 2010, 17:07

Don't know about the three machines, I know that was the objective, so could well be.

Website currency has never been their strong point, so don't bother looking there for up to date imagery. I shot these a while ago:

Car People | Neill Watson - Part 4 (http://www.neillwatson.com/category/people/page/4/)

Car People | Neill Watson - Part 5 (http://www.neillwatson.com/category/people/page/5/)