call for ferry pilots - Oz/Europe Jan 2010

[PlankBlender]

Looking for an experienced ferry pilot to fly well-equipped PA-28 to Europe from the East Coast in Jan 2010. Owner will be PIC, general flight planning done by specialist company.

Please PM.

[VH-XXX]

So Planky, are you pulling up stumps from Qld and heading back home again?

[PlankBlender]

Yeah, unfortunately, family circumstances dictate it, but the ferry flight sweetens the deal considerably :)

[framer]

Owner will be PIC

Is that to clarify who will be logging the hours?

[PlankBlender]

framer, what are you really asking? We all know what PIC entails, don't we?

[Capt Fathom]

Nursemaid! :E

[VH-XXX]

So, why the need for a ferry pilot then, if the owner's flying? I don't get it.

What planet are you on?

Would you be happy with low'ish hours to just jump into a PA-28 and fly across the world on your own with no experience of this kind?

[SOPS]

Ive got 16000 hours and I would not hop in a PA-28 and fly accross the world:}

[Orion Delta]

Plankbender> I can't understand why your requesting a ferry pilot, when you will be logging the hours as P.I.C ....?? Shouldn't the ferry pilot be getting the hours?::confused:

[framer]

framer, what are you really asking? We all know what PIC entails, don't we?
ha ha ok PLank, most of us know what PIC entails sure.
The thing I'm wondering is why make a call for experienced help in one breath, and then say "I will be the pilot responsible for the safe outcome of the flight, I will have the final say in fuel, route, and weather related decision making in both normal and non-normal situations" in the next breath? It kinda puts me off the whole thing. But.....I have absoluely no idea what your experience levels are, for all I know you want an experienced ferry pilot there in case you have a heart attack while recounting one of your thousands of ferrying stories. Thats why I searched for a possible reason, and then asked the question.ie....I was interested but also trying to be polite.
Have a nice day :)
PS.if it's not so you can log the hours........is it to increase the safety of the flight? Is it because you already know that you will be a more suitable PinC than anyone who applies?

[dogcharlietree]

I have "ridden shotgun" for a few pilots with lesser qualifications and experience than me. You get to a certain stage in your career where more PIC hours in your logbook are not that important. You are there to do a job (advising and assisting) and you work out long before you takeoff the "chain of command" :ok:

[PlankBlender]

what the dog said.

Cheers mate. :ok:

[Brian Abraham]

Would you be happy with low'ish hours to just jump into a PA-28 and fly across the world on your own with no experience of this kind?
As always its horses for courses. Chap from Perth flew around the world in a Mustang II home built and had a grand total of 250 hours when setting out. On top of that he had no instrument ticket and made the trip VFR.

Have a great trip PlankBlender, only wish I had the background to put up my hand to come along.

Australia to Oshkosh '99 (http://www.mustangaero.com/News%20&%20Events/Australia-Osh99.html)

[VH-XXX]

I fully understand the whole PIC predicament. When it's your aircraft and you know it best you want to be the one that makes the final decision on what goes down and where.... Literally :-)

Hours are unrelated to this discussion in reality as any ferry pilot worth their salt wouldn't care about whether the hours were in their logbook or not, it's about cash, enjoyment and accomplishment.

[ZEEBEE]

Have a great trip PlankBlender, only wish I had the background to put up my hand to come along.


Brian,

There's no doubt that you have....just remember that there's no collective :E

[Howard Hughes]

But PA-28's do have a collective, pull it up and see what happens!;)

Enjoy your trip Planky, if I could get time of I'd be there in a flash...:ok:

[framer]

You get to a certain stage in your career where more PIC hours in your logbook are not that important. You are there to do a job (advising and assisting) and you work out long before you takeoff the "chain of command" http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/thumbs.gif
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I also agree with Dog. I wouldn't care if the hours went in my book at all. I would basically be along for the adventure and fun of it. I'm still a bit confused as to what the "chain of command" would be on this particular flight though. Regardless, hope you have a great trip. It would be fun.
Framer

[Jabawocky]

I'm still a bit confused as to what the "chain of command" would be on this particular flight though.

Whoever is awake at the time :ok:. whatever happened to the notion of CRM anyway!

[VH-XXX]

I know of a much shorter ferry flight where BOTH pilots woke to the sound of ATC entering an uncertainty phase :-)

[whiskey1]

When are you looking at going?
Sounds interesting and fun.

[PlankBlender]

plan is to leave mid-Jan, just getting all my ducks in line with paperwork, ferry tank installation, insurance, etc..

can't wait :}

[Dog One]

January weather VFR in the tropics isn't a nice place to be. Be prepared for some rather long diversions around lines of cells. The intensity of the ITZ varies from day to day, but that time of year is usually in a line east west just south of YPDN and streches across to Bali. Be prepared to carry a minimum of 60+ holding on any destination. I have held at Kupang for 90 mins waiting for the field to open to IFR landing minima. Weather information is hard to get, but Kupang and Bali have Met Offices. Bali is especially good in that respect.

[j3pipercub]

Screw that for a joke in anything, let alone an archer. The whole January in the tropics thing.

That being said, I wish you the best Planky, hope it works out for you.

j3

[Bla Bla Bla]

The Archer I built my hour on years ago was ferried from LAX to Honolulu then Hona to Pago Pago then Pago Pago direct to Ashburton South Island NZ.

The pilot had to climb over the ferry tank to get in and was just over 1000lb over gross on takeoff from LAX. It had autopilot but imagine sitiing for the 12 or 13 hrs over the sea between landings watching the oil pressure gauge waiting for a problem.

[VH-XXX]

Without wanting to sound condescending I don't think many of you realise just how common place this ferrying of aircraft actually is. Many new aircraft are flown to Aus from the USA on a regular basis. All Cirrus's used to be flown out until the 04 model onwards was released (as the wing wasn't detachable before that) and Warriors, Archers and Cessna's all headed for flying schools near you. I liken it to ultralights flying to Tassie, a few weeks back no less then 6 went across in the one day, 2 stroke's and all, around 93 miles non-stop over water, very rarely do they konk out on those trips.

[Brian Abraham]

Two South Africans in an over weight LSA (100 HP Rotax powered "Sling") are on a round the world trip and recently made the LAX to Maui leg in 21 hours.

Welcome - The Airplane Factory, Johannesburg, South Africa (http://www.airplanefactory.co.za)

[VH-XXX]

You'd expect that from South Africans, they probably feel safer doing that flight than walking down the street in their home towns.

[Dog One]

Back in the days of Brent Aviation at YMMB, I was asked to move a C172 that had just flown in from the States and still had the ferry tank installed. I am about 180cm tall, and with the seat right back against the tank, knees prevented me getting any aileron control.

I understood that the leg from the States to Hawaii was about 25 hrs flying with an endurance of 27 hrs. Long time to sit in the one spot, keeping wide awake and hand flying!

[HarleyD]

Single engine overwater.

Is not such a big deal if the engine keeps going and they usually do. having enough fuel is a bit important as well.

Bass straight is not a heap different to blue water really, how well can you swim? if bass straight is 90 nm or so at the crossing point, then you only really need to be able to swin for half of that, say 45 nm, or stright to the nearest island if it is closer, easy. I can manage about 200 meteres on agood day

How would I feel as non PIC ferry pilot?

Planky, If I was going with any one in circumstances like yours, I would only go if I was the aknowledged PIC, the one making the decisions and doing the donkey work. couldn't care less about the hours, but I am the one in charge. you could be in charge of accomodation and hookers..... Hmmmmm come to think of it, no you can't.

The 'Captain' has to be completely across all aspects of the flight, airworthiness, fuelling, parking, airport fees etc, who to pay what, where to stay, what to eat, no room for mumbling. the guy with the four gold bars is supposed to be in charge.

If you mean that you would like to do most of the flying, that is no problem, you is the A/P, just don't fcuk up and make me look bad.

On second thoughts I have done this before and I prefer my own company on long trips.

Have fun, I am sure you will. I will pass your post to a friend who may be interested, but he charges waaay more than me, or did you mean - non PIC unpaid ferry pilot?

HD

[MakeItHappenCaptain]

the guy with the four gold bars is supposed to be in charge

and I can just see some numbnut somewhere in the world flying an archer into an aerodrome and stepping out in his cadet uniform with four bars on...:}

[Capt Fathom]

and I can just see some numbnut somewhere in the world flying an archer into an aerodrome and stepping out in his cadet uniform with four bars on

Exactly what you need to do when ferrying through some countries!

[Dog One]

The more braid the better!