Korean A380 Skipper Jobs

[dadster]

Hello everyone,

Does anyone know if Korean is hiring A380 Capts and what the actual package is ?...thanks....dadster.

[johntrav69]

Local guys only so I hear at the moment from the management mouth, but things change at a moments notice. I recommend sending your details to CCL and waiting, then you would at least be top of the list if needed but prestige and wonderment is a great thing in Asia so dont hold your breath. LOL

[xkred27]

You have NO chance of joining directly onto the 380. Plenty of expat and local
captains their that will go onto this fleet.

[pintofstella]

They are definately planning on hiring expat type rated captains

[joe.bloggs]

Johntrav69 - CCL? Kindly enlighten me...Thanks

[fatbus]

There is a bunch of EK 380 pilots that think KAL will be taking DEC's on the 380 sooner than later.Also claims of 20K per month,maybe 15K.Have a look at GAP website and you can see the pay scale on the 330/777/744. KAL might get the 380 in 2010 and if they did all the KAL / ex airforce 744 guys will transistion to the 380 first, I would not plan on KAL needing expat 380 pilots for a few years

[ShockWave]

Guys, Kal will only get 5 A380 aircraft and there are more than enough locals who want the job. Even if the CEO says he wants expats to help crew it the Kal union check captains will never pass any foreign Captains. So forget it, it just makes no sense to even consider it.
It is far more likely that locals will be transfered on to the A380 and more expats recruited on to the other fleets.
Stranger things have happened though. If you ever get the chance to come over as an A380 Captain, keep in mind you will be the number one target for racist, unprofessional, slanderous misconduct by the line training locals. It will not matter how good you are, do not consider it unless you can afford to be unemployed for a long period of time.

[nakbin330]

Come on ShockWave, we all know that if one adopts the "OIC, thank you very much Captain" attitude during training there are generally no problems, and once on line, the job is as good as it gets these days.

I know many guys who have joined and not a ripple of trouble.

I would, however, caution against joining as an FO! No upgrade opportunity - ever - and the attitude mentioned by SW in his post can be pretty hard to live with.

[fatbus]

The OIC approach does not work at KAL, you get paired with a LTC for your entire Line training and if he dies not like you or has something against expats you will not pass your final line check , well after you have left your present job, but good luck to those who go

[johntrav69]

CCL - Cambridge communications ltd
Cambridge Communications Limited (http://www.cclaviation.com/)

or GAP or Rishworth or whoever else is on the list these days

[nakbin330]

KAL is one of the few places OIC does work ....

[ShockWave]

Nabkin you are making an oversimplification of a complex problem.
An OIC attitude will be much better than a confrontational one, but is absolutely no guarantee of a problem free existence thru line training.
It is not simply a matter of keeping your head down, there are numerous politics and other unusual frictions involved.
I know of no DECs who have had a ripple free transition into KAL and I am working for KAL. Some get thru with less drama than others, but it is never easy.
You will have at least two line training capts. One will do most of your training. You may also end up with having many different guys. If just one guy writes something bad the others will not have the balls to then say something good. They run very scared of being responsible for their actions. Rightly or wrongly they believe that every moment you are employed by KAL they can be held responsible for your actions throughout your career. It is very much easier for them to write bad things about you than good, that way they can cover their backside if someone fails you or you are involved in an incident later.
There are not enough Korean pilots to employ as first officers, so expat FOs seem to have no difficulties during training especially as they will not be given an opportunity to upgrade. There is very little or no resentment towards them.
DECs are viewed and treated very differently.

The KAL training department currently struggles to control what occurs during LT to foreign Captains. A380 DEC training will be an absolute nightmare for anyone if it ever happens.

Also, the successful completion of line training is not an end to the possibility of being screwed with. For some it never ends.

[nakbin330]

Well said Shock.

[ShockWave]

Sandhound....
the accidents were more like 10-20 years ago and all involved locals.
There have been instances in the past where expats have misrepresented their qualifications here, which is why they have made the interview sim and document process more demanding. Perhaps also the line training.
Having double standards in a training department is symptomatic of a poor training system. KAL do not use any published criteria of proficiencies for instruction or checks such as EK use.
Very experienced expats usually breeze thru the sim faze of training using the KAL procedures run by third party sim instructors/checkers, all boeing, airbus and Korean CAA approved.
The very same guys then struggle to get passed in line training.
I think most guys here would agree that by the time their line training is finished (passed or failed) their command style and skills are very much diminished. ie. Most arrive or at least finish the sim training at the top of their game but come out of line training at a lower standard of proficiency than when they arrived. Mind games, differences in culture, procedures, military training (hazing) techniques...... who knows why exactly. It is a very sad system and borders on dangerous with some instructors.

[High 6]

Would most of the KAL Line Training Capts be ex military? The ex KAL Korean National pilots I have run into are mainly from civilian background and they seem fairly normal, but they have briefed me on the situation in KAL.

Apparently the local Civie trained guys in KAL are given a hard time as well from the Training Gestapo, and as such many have left. So if they take it out on their own guys, we as expats have buckleys chance of going through that system untouched.

I suppose the upside is that if they leave you alone once you check out, and the conditions are good, it may be worth the grief, as long as you are fully aware before you take it on. Good Luck guys!!

[burty]

the accidents were more like 10-20 years ago and all involved locals. Shockwave

The A300 in Cheju involved a Canadian Captain no?

[etops777]

Indeed, it was a Canadian Capt.

Accident can happen to anyone.

[fatbus]

A300 involving the Canadian Capt was caused by the Korean FO, but they did throw the Capt in jail, took awhile to get him out. I hear there is very good CRM at KAL and very good cockpit environment with the FO's non expat

[nameuser]

Guys, Kal will only get 5 A380 aircraft and there are more than enough locals who want the job. Even if the CEO says he wants expats to help crew it the Kal union check captains will never pass any foreign Captains. So forget it, it just makes no sense to even consider it.
It is far more likely that locals will be transfered on to the A380 and more expats recruited on to the other fleets.
Stranger things have happened though. If you ever get the chance to come over as an A380 Captain, keep in mind you will be the number one target for racist, unprofessional, slanderous misconduct by the line training locals. It will not matter how good you are, do not consider it unless you can afford to be unemployed for a long period of time.

They will get 10 A380 airframes, not 5 frames.

[CanadaRocks]

I heard from some Korean flight crew in Sydney that they have hired 2 A380 captains from Emirates and 1 from Singapore. They are getting 25000US a month plus allowance plus free 5 star hotel by the airport.

Sounds to good to be true!

Most Korean crew on the B777 are trying to leave for some cargo outfit in Narita, and the Airbus guys are trying to go to Hainan...The Hawaii of China they call it.

A local Korean skipper only gets 11000US a month. I can see and understand why they would not appreciate expats.

[fatbus]

I heard 3 from EK 1 from LH and its 35K++ per month for trainers

[CanadaRocks]

Fat, that sounds about right.

I think its 25000+allowance's.

And if you go to the smoking crew room in the hotel, well thats were all the female crew hangout! Extra bonus....

[TowerDog]

and its 35K++ per month for trainers

You guys are joking right...?

(Not April 1st yet...:sad:)

[Captain Oryx]

Nah, it's 50K US and the Koreans worship you.

They are willing to give you a contract 'till you are 65!

[sanddude]

Anyway, they are looking for experienced skippers (10 years Long Haul command). Don,t think we have those at EK:}.