Crosswind technique

[NoTrainingWheel]

There's an interesting video here (http://www.stepthru.net/cross_wind_landing_lsa.htm) covering crosswind techniques. Most of us could probably learn something from it :ok:

[Ultralights]

stick into wind, or away from wind when taxiing in windy conditions, that is the question...:confused:

[XX-ANY]

turn into a headwind, turn away from a tailwind :ok:

[VH-XXX]

Ultralights you are a qualified instructor, what have you been telling your students???


Climb into the headwind, descend into the tailwind, except in a nosewheel when it would be neutral. Not quite so excited about his 1 radio call per circuit and what is a "strip run?"

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Taxing? Climb towards, dive away.

Sor'id,

FRQ CB

[AerocatS2A]

If it is actually windy enough to lift a wing then you will feel the effect of the wind and be able to apply appropriate control input as required. In other words, apply the input you think is correct, if it doesn't seem to be working, try the other way, if that makes things worse, turn into wind, get on the radio and get someone to walk your wing.

[glekichi]

Intentionally keeping the controls crossed after takeoff?
I've never heard of this being taught as a technique before.

[wishiwasupthere]

Whats the plastic fantastic that he's flying? Jeez, it looks flimsy. He gets the tail close to the ground on the flare during the last circuit!

[VH-XXX]

It's an Aerokprat Foxbat.

Metal tubing, small amount of aluminium skins, fibreglass cowls, semi metal wing (depending on model), very lightweight with a low stall. No doubt a bumpy ride for your $100k+.

[NoTrainingWheel]

what is a "strip run? Probably the most neglected skill:bored: Also known as a "hover taxi" Idea is to fly almost the length of the runway consistently at 2-3 feet above the runway without gaining / losing alititude at 10kt or so above stall while maintaining perfect directional control. Over the Airwaves (http://overtheairwaves.com/vol5-5final.html) describes it way better than I could. Find a nice long runway somewhere, make your normal descent, then just before touching down on the numbers, add enough power to keep the airplane flying just a couple feet above the entire length of the runway at the edge of stall speed. In fact, a properly working stall warning horn should be sounding throughout this exercise (see illustration below).

You will soon discover that this is a far more difficult exercise than you might imagine. Mastery of this procedure requires consummate pitch and power control. Remember, too, to keep the nose pointing directly down the runway (good use of rudder pedals is critical here.)
Look out the side window!
With the nose pitched up in this slow flight condition, it is impossible to see the runway while looking straight ahead in most airplanes. Therefore, do what our tail-dragger friends do. Learn to perform this hover taxi exercise by looking out the side window only. Judge your position over the runway and your altitude by reference to the passing runway edge.
Do it in a crosswind!
It's one thing to hover taxi in calm or slight headwinds. It's quite another to do it effectively with a crosswind component reaching the demonstrated crosswind capability of your airplane.
Therefore, find a day when gusty winds are blowing directly across the runway. Learn to "lean into the wind" (bank in the direction the winds are coming from), then use opposite rudder inputs to keep your airplane perfectly aligned with the runway centerline. Do this until you can perform the maneuver effortlessly.

[40Deg STH]

Why teach such a stupid, unsafe, cowboy manourvre. So low? Why so low? Am I missing something here?
If you wish to do this type of flying, go do your AG rating and a suitably powered aircraft.
This will only bring ultralight flying a bad name.
Maybe I miss the importance of such a negligent act. If its a strip inspection, can be done from 100 ft min, is our eye getting that bad, that it must be done so low?
Ground anyone who does this!!!!:mad:

I just read the post again............:mad: Still cant believe what I'm seeing. A trip to the Oaks is due now!!!

[D-J]

Why teach such a stupid, unsafe, cowboy manourvre. So low? Why so low? Am I missing something here?
If you wish to do this type of flying, go do your AG rating and a suitably powered aircraft.
This will only bring ultralight flying a bad name.
Maybe I miss the importance of such a negligent act. If its a strip inspection, can be done from 100 ft min, is our eye getting that bad, that it must be done so low?
Ground anyone who does this!!!!http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif

I just read the post again............http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:www.pprune.org/get/images/smilies/censored.gif Still cant believe what I'm seeing. A trip to the Oaks is due now!!!

Someone know's how to over react...... ever come in to land and flared a bit high then used the power arrest the rate of decent?... well you should be grounded cowboy :E

[40Deg STH]

D-J

Just still a little unsure what your trying to say. Certainly correct over flare with power or simply full power and go around. I'm still not sure why such a high risk act is required. before you start, many years ago I used to be paid to fly low.

[eocvictim]

All I saw was a lesson on how to overshoot and conduct an unstabilised approach.

[40Deg STH]

Read post #10

[eocvictim]

40deg south is right, this sort of low flying practice shouldn't be encouraged. I can just see some weekend worrior trying it and copping an engine failure. Not an issue when your wheels are on the deck.

[SM227]

More like having a wing stall and end up in a heap after cartwheeling down the runway :bored:

I agree, stupid! :=

[NoTrainingWheel]

Bob Miller who is fanatical (to say the least) about flight safety promotes the concept in Over the Airwaves (http://overtheairwaves.com/vol5-5final.html) (The Journal for the Proficient Pilot). It's worth reading:ok: If you stall 2 feet above the runwaysurely you will just end up landing?

[eocvictim]

In theory. Who says you're able to hold it that well? What's to say the pilot wont have a bad reaction to it and either pull back, stall and cartwheel or nose over a plow in. Practice this sort of thing with an experienced instructor who is proficient with this type of training.

[Howard Hughes]

Why teach such a stupid, unsafe, cowboy manourvre. So low? Why so low? Am I missing something here?
If you wish to do this type of flying, go do your AG rating and a suitably powered aircraft.

40 Deg Sth,

One is expected to demonstrate this during a flight test in the US! Hardly a cowboy manoeuvre...

[VH-XXX]

The one danger of this that comes to mind is that after the strip run when you start climbing out you have far less altitude than a normal takeoff which depending on the runway may leave you with few options if something goes wrong.

[Ultralights]

what i normally teach varies with aircraft type (POH) but generally its point at it if coming towards you, point at it if overtakes you.

as for the approach, i teach treat every approach as if its a glide approach.


and what ever happened to Advanced Manoeuvre lessons?? flying at 2 ft isnt that hard with practice, and an hr or 2 spent with a student doing this will save many hrs practising circuits to master the flare and landing especially in trying conditions.

How many students at Bankstown go on to CPL and higher without ever practising Short fielders on Actual grass short fields?

it appears to me that things like strip runs, spins etc are rapidly disappearing from the curriculum (instructors repertoire of skills) in teaching people to "fly", and therefor anyone teaching such skills is quickly shot down by the other "professionals"

[Mark1234]

What is described is basically a touch and go without the touch - not exactly rocket science. If you're going to have a 'bad reaction', or can't control the aircraft that close to the ground, it's perhaps time to hand in the wings, or at least seek some training.

I'm with ultralights on this - people are being instilled with such fear of anything that is even approaching the corners of the envelope, I suspect most really have no concept of where the edges really are. IMHO that's pretty dangerous in its self.

It's also described as a training exercise, which would tend to suggest an instructor is involved in the process, though not necessarily.

[Aerohooligan]

'What is a "strip run"?'

VH-XXX, I went to the trouble of asking a suitably qualified professional the same question and the answer I was given is as follows:

'A "strip run" is the automatic response to a clearance for an aircraft of less than 7,500kg MTOW to land on runway 29 at Darwin international. The pilot flies the aircraft down the normal three degree glidepath to a position at which it is abeam the touchdown zone markers at approxaimtely three feet AGL, approximately Vref + 30 -70 kts depending on type, then levels off and flies the remainder of the distance to approximately taxiway Bravo at this altitude. The optional addendum 'vacate taxiway Victor' merely succeeds in lengthening said run to the point where it becomes a competition between successive aircraft to see who can touch down closest to taxiway V and still exit without backtracking. Locking the brakes, flatspotting tyres or causing your pax to spill their coffee is considered poor form and loses points. Performing this feat with nil flap in the larger aircraft, or with full flap in any of the trickier to land types like the C206 or Piper singles, is considered bravery and is awarded points accordingly. On days with a strong crosswind, extra points are awarded for soft landings and the gratutitous use of flap to increase crab angles to the point of becoming ludicrous.'

Answer your question? :E (if you're not from Dar-whine I suggest you have a look at the airfield diagram. Anyone from here knows what I'm talking about)

[Fliegenmong]

If your 2ft above and stall all you do is land.....provided your wheels are lined up alright....I learnt crosswind techniques in flapless taildraggers, side slipping in over obstructions at the ends of fields....and know that rudder pedals are not foot rests.....Let me try and dig out a viddeo... :ok::E:cool:

[plucka]

it appears to me that things like strip runs, spins etc are rapidly disappearing from the curriculum (instructors repertoire of skills) in teaching people to "fly", and therefor anyone teaching such skills is quickly shot down by the other "professionals"


Could not agree more ultralights.

It is all very well to teach students to fly in balance all the time but once they have mastered this they should be taught how far out of balance the aircraft can fly. Sideslipping is a very handy tool and should be taught to students.
It is a shame that alot of students are being taught by the 'students' that graduated from the previous course.

[the air up there]

It is a shame that alot of students are being taught by the 'students' that graduated from the previous course.

I think that explains alot. I haven't met a pilot in the last couple of years that has had to demonstrate a landing with the controls "locked", ie no ailerons, elevators, so just rudder, trim and power.

It is all very well to teach students to fly in balance all the time

Don't see many that know how to use rudder and the ball is half way out to the right on climb. For those not in the know, they are the foot rests you use when taxying.

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